Post assumes I'll be playing Halo 4 PvP multiplayer. It could be BR/Sniper start for all I care.
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Post assumes I'll be playing Halo 4 PvP multiplayer. It could be BR/Sniper start for all I care.
Lemon Party Dot Borg
That's because people rightly are afraid of a niche demographic "taking over" a game with their own style. Not saying that competitive shouldn't exist or that there aren't a lot of competitive players; just that most people's definition of 'competitive' is not MLG-caliber. I think there's the same diametrically opposed issue here and on HBO; people who consider themselves pros, people who consider vanilla Reach Bungie's true intent, and looking down at people who think differently.
I think I've said it before here, but I am bothered by the sentiments of some that MLG should have their way with a title. Pro play should not ever trump making a game fun for the broadest segment. Can both be accommodated in the same game? I think so.
Didn't see your comment on first posting, but this probably gets to what I was trying to hit much better than my own.
I wonder if solving the AR/BR issue is just playing with accuracy over range for the AR--extremely inaccurate over med-long distances unless pulsed--and the RoF on BR. That way in close encounters AR is favored while BR will wreck someone foolish enough to go across an open area.
The reveal of Halo 4 was a pretty conservative, two pronged message. The first was they are bringing Halo back to many of its basic, defining elements: agile, fluid movement and high, gliding jumps, the BR, etc. That was letting us know what's staying the same (or rather, returning). The second was that 343 is adding some pretty big changes onto that foundation. I think they want that out there now, but will reveal aspects of it when it's ready.
But since they've already let us know, I'm anticipating that it will be sooner rather than later when we get more details. Often when doing media events/reveals, the stuff they talk about but don't show is laying the ground work for the next round.
HiredN00bs
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Halo: CE
KidA Seven
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It's not tricky. The system was there in Halo 3, and the BR/AR starts would have worked then. If true skill worked, then skilled BR users wouldn't play people who like AR starts. AR start level players will then play people who have to take 7-8 shots to kill with a br. They can certainly kill that user with an AR (since it buys them more time due to missed shots). BR users will get mad because AR has always been the easier weapon to fire. Why make it more powerful? It's low risk low reward, while the BR is a higher risk and higher reward.
As a BR user, it feels more satisfying knowing I out BR'd someone because I had to have great aim, and a good strafe. Is that possible with an AR? Burst fire works at a larger distance, but it still doesn't require much of a strafe or aiming skill. I also find AR starts boring, because at my skill level, having an AR means I have 4 choices. Spend some time looking for a weapon I enjoy using, die to skilled BR users, use the AR (which doesn't have any of the qualities I enjoy in a gunfight), or use the AR/charge/beatdown strategy that everyone uses due to the lunge.
Also, it's laughable to think that because I enjoy competitive gaming, I don't like having fun. Competition is fun for me. Isn't that what True Skill is about in the first place? To match users with similar skill so the best possible competition/fun is ensured? I very much doubt the AR users don't like winning like the competitive players. Otherwise, they wouldn't be complaining about losing to skilled BR players.
I think the difference there was there wasn't netplay, there wasn't a pro circuit lobbying for influence in the game's development, and pure luck. The game was pretty close to not shipping multi even on LAN, and after all the pistol damage was famously tweaked a bit too much.
In other words, lightning in a bottle we're never going to recapture.
That's what I'm hoping. Looking back, I don't think any of Edge's Halo previews have been just rehashes of media events. They always have at least a bit new to show or tell. That they declined to cover it in detail online and just said to wait for their full print preview makes me think that's the case again.
Looking forward to it either way; Edge's Halo coverage has always been great.
Welcome to Reach.
The Halo game that had no influence from MLG is also their favorite. Halo CE was pretty dumb if you didn't play Generic weapon settings, or Slayer Pro. Starting with a Plasma Pistol was laughable.
Bregmann Roche
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And in Reach I'd be fine with that since they made the PP a viable weapon for something other than its overcharge. If one change from Reach transfers to Halo 4, I'd like it to be that.
Devolution
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Zombie Blains
HiredN00bs
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Ridgeline is there. They left out the three Forge pallettes: Foundry, Sandbox, and Forge World.
No he literally means Timberland. They left out PC maps.
Not that.
Freaks and geeks.
I dunno if ARGs have much life left in them. When Halo 2 did it, they were new, unproven, but I think since then they haven't worked that well...
If we see anything it would be along the lines of Valve's .WAVs, et al rather than a budgeted 42entertainment-scale affair, methinks. Especially because they're pushing the fiction through Primordium and relatively soon Glasslands II: Glass Harder.
Oh. Welcome to GAF?
Hitmonchan107
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Nope.
I give up.
Welcome to women.
I was thinking that, but I didn't want to be wrong again.
Sometimes you're better off not knowing.
Cinematic Blain Rate
Everytime I see this posted this plays in my head:
Someone tell me!
Arrested Development. Best comedy of the forever.
Devolution
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Fuckin' Cali, always reminding me of where I live at the most random times. (Small earthquake epicenter a couple miles from here.)
Hold on... AR starts?
Wha...
What the hell is this?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought they were going to let us pick our weapons and use them in whatever playlist we wanted. I wasn't expecting shotguns and rockets but I thought we would at the least be able to spawn with a BR/DMR/NR/Carbine/Pistol/whatever if we wanted to.
What the fuck... This is some kind of cruel joke. How many years have people been complaining about this?
Wha...
What the hell is this?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought they were going to let us pick our weapons and use them in whatever playlist we wanted. I wasn't expecting shotguns and rockets but I thought we would at the least be able to spawn with a BR/DMR/NR/Carbine/Pistol/whatever if we wanted to.
What the fuck... This is some kind of cruel joke. How many years have people been complaining about this?
K
kittens
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What made you think that? They already told us quite a bit of info last week. Not every bulletin will be a media blow out.
What are you talking about dot gif
Garrett 2U
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That is what hitscan means.
Where you are aiming when you fire is where the server immediately registers a hit.
Everytime I see this posted this plays in my head:
Someone tell me!
He is assuming since BS Angel was talking about how she had to pick up a BR in game, and didn't spawn with one.
Obviously the BR and AR are the only weapons one could possibly spawn with.
ncsuDuncan
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It's jumping to conclusions is what it is. A lot of crying over something bs angel didn't even intend to say.
For all we know they switched to an AR start gametype just because she was playing. Relax.
(Not directed at your post specifically.)
Edit: Dammit, beaten by the actual authority on the subject.
monsterfracas
ViewtifulJC
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AR Starts
this can't be life, b....
this can't be life, b....
There comes a point when people jump to such ludicrous conclusions with such over the top levels of overreaction that you have to take a step back and admire it. Then read the retorts of, 'but it's your fault for not explaining every obvious possibility!'
Edit: Dammit, beaten by the actual authority on the subject.monsterfracas
Don't you forget it