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[neoism]

Here are the controller layouts

Bumper Jumper
Default
Green Thumb
Boxer
SouthPaw
Recon
FishStick

edit: these aren't final if you already didn't know.

if they don't fix bumper jumper than I just can't play this game..... FUUUUUU WTF guys granade on X WTFFFF how can you aim a nade a press X please for the love of everything let it not be final. I want to use X for sprint goddamn it, and.... finds magazine rack...x

 

[neoism]

I don't understand why we can't just remap it anyway we want it.

Everyone is happy that way, and it helps disabled gamers.

that would make sense though not happening

 

[StalkerUKCG]

Potential Birthday Present

Anyone got experience with it?
Criticism? Be brutal

 

[MaximumFlipFlop]

The problem is as halo continues to change more and more from its previous installments it becomes near impossible to recreate a H2 or CE. At some point I feel we just have to try and fully accept what 343 is trying to do with Halo and see what happens.

Granted I am very skeptical about many things in Halo 4 and I would really love to play a CE or H2 but it just isn't practical to try and recreate old games in new halos as the mechanics are completely different. (because they are meant to support the new halo not old ones)

Well 343 Title Updated Reach to change some of the core mechanics that allowed slight mimicry of Halo 1 features. Since Halo 4 is their baby, I wouldn't doubt if they fully fleshed out some of those changes in the Halo 4 engine allowing it to play more like past Halos

Potential Birthday Present

Anyone got experience with it?
Criticism? Be brutal

Have you used a 3D tv before? I'm getting my first tomorrow, so I can give initial impressions of what 3D gaming is like if you want

 

[SHIFTYkiwi]

The Longbow gameplay from RTX looks so good. I wish it came out sooner than November.

Im glad its coming out in November, because now it wont be able to distract me from my finals. However I still want it as soon as possible, the game looks amazing.

 

[Tashi]

Potential Birthday Present

Anyone got experience with it?
Criticism? Be brutal

It doesn't have Retina so I wouldn't buy it.

 

[Risen]

I think the game needs more give and take in order to truly balance the packages and AAs.

There should be a true reason you pick something with an advantage and a disadvantage.

For instance, if you have shielding, your base movement would be slower. This would allow you to get back into combat quicker, but you'd need to choose your engagements more wisely.

Another example would be mobility. If you have mobility equipped, you would start with less shield strength making you able to get around the map more quickly, but in more of a sneaky, rogue-like fashion to truly cater to that play style.

Tribes does this well, Shadowrun does this well with the different classes. A Troll in SR has more health than all other classes, but moves slower and is a much bigger target. An Elf in SR has the lowest health of all classes, but is the fastest and skinniest of all the classes.

If you're going to force players to make a choice with their AAs and Packages, it needs to be a conscious decision with a give and a take; an actual thought process being involved as to why you're picking certain abilities over others.

Take the Ninja Troll in Shadowrun. A typical Ninja Troll would have a Katana primary with a SMG secondary. Its slotted magic and tech would be Wired Reflexes, Teleport, and AMG's or Gust. A typical troll in SR was meant to be a Tank, one that could take a lot of damage and stay in a fight.

However, the Katana in the hands of a troll was only a 2 hit kill. So, players would SACRIFICE the ability to take lots of damage and use the trolls unique "harden" ability which cost mana to fill those slots with Wired Reflexes so it could have a faster base movement speed along with teleport which cost 3 mana slots with each use. Trolls also had the slowest mana regen of all 4 classes.

So, you sacrificed a LOT of what made the Troll class and Troll and in return, if you were sneaky enough, knew enough teleport lines, and made great flanking decisions, you had a class that was unique that you could play in a strong way, but at the cost of what would typically be the Trolls strengths.

Pretty much this... if we're talking "balance" the ability/class needs be self limiting in some way that runs counter to the primary ability. So you want to be a tank...? You're moving slow... you want to move fast...? Less health... Balance cannot be achieved by attempting to limit abilities/classes based solely on choice or preference.... particularly when there are numerous character traits and abilities over default.

 

[Omni]

that would make sense though not happening

Was there ever a reason given why they don't just allow us to do it?

 

[heckfu]

It doesn't have Retina so I wouldn't buy it.

...

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Was there ever a reason given why they don't just allow us to do it?

Frankie explained it would create a near limitless BXR/button combo dilemma.

 

[op_ivy]

Was there ever a reason given why they don't just allow us to do it?

to ensure button combo glitches ala halo 2 dont happen again, all controller options need to be thoroughly tested

 

[Tashi]

to ensure button combo glitches ala halo 2 dont happen again, all controller options need to be thoroughly tested

This was Bungie's reason too. Makes sense, and I'm totally fine with it. Recon seems to be pretty much the same, so that's nice. I can imagine myself forgetting to sprint though.

 

[Ryaaan14]

I hope they don't modify Recon. Looks absolutely perfect.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

So I'm odd in that I use the default Reach button layout?

I could never get used to bumper jumper, or take the 15 games of me doing horrible to figure it out.

 

[heckfu]

So I'm odd in that I use the default Reach button layout?

I could never get used to bumper jumper, or take the 15 games of me doing horrible to figure it out.

Moving to bumper jumper was the smartest thing I've ever done. Feels way more natural to me after only 5 or so games.

 

[op_ivy]

This was Bungie's reason too. Makes sense, and I'm totally fine with it. Recon seems to be pretty much the same, so that's nice. I can imagine myself forgetting to sprint though.

default for me, like reach. loved bumper jumper in 3, but with AAs, it went out the window. and i agree with others, bumper jumper as its been presented so far in halo 4, is shit.

 

[Falagard]

I'm sure it's been posted but here is some more Forge footage from RTX:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZT5QZ4ckMM

 

[Omni]

to ensure button combo glitches ala halo 2 dont happen again, all controller options need to be thoroughly tested

Ohh okay. I guess that makes sense.

I hope they don't modify Recon. Looks absolutely perfect.

With sprint on the "x"? :\

 

[Nutduster]

So I'm odd in that I use the default Reach button layout?

I could never get used to bumper jumper, or take the 15 games of me doing horrible to figure it out.

I'm a default guy also. I've used default in every Halo game.

Interesting that Frankie said that, about BXR-type glitches. I never read any official statement on that but I've assumed all along that that was why there's no button-mapping in Halo. Glitches can be a very big deal in competitive Halo and it's easy to imagine that the right obscure button-map layout could create new ones along those lines.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

Have you used a 3D tv before? I'm getting my first tomorrow, so I can give initial impressions of what 3D gaming is like if you want

Never for gaming. Id be happy to read your impressions.

It doesn't have Retina so I wouldn't buy it.

Its fine my Iphone has that.

Spoiler

Totes the same bro

 

[Overdoziz]

sigh

 

[op_ivy]

really dig the look of boxer, but not having nades on LT would be odd and quite an adjustment. if only you could swap that for melee it would be perfect.

 

[Pennybags]

FishStick for the true aim-down-sights experience!

Not going to lie, I'll probably use it, as getting knocked out of zoom can be pretty damned annoying.

 

[789shadow]

Wait a minute, can anyone confirm that being knocked out of scope was not present at RTX?

 

[op_ivy]

FishStick for the true aim-down-sights experience!

Not going to lie, I'll probably use it, as getting knocked out of zoom can be pretty damned annoying.

but you dont get knocked out of zoom in current builds...

 

[Pennybags]

but you dont get knocked out of zoom in current builds...

Hmm. This changes everything.

Forgot about that.

 

[Tashi]

Ohh okay. I guess that makes sense.


With sprint on the "x"? :

That's probably gonna be ok. I can see myself pressing them at the same time to make some jumps.

 

[Gray Man]

Is there a website that has some of these games like the one on Longbow people were mentioning?

 

[Omni]

That's probably gonna be ok. I can see myself pressing them at the same time to make some jumps.

But you'll also be stuck "sprinting" in a straight line because you'll be pressing the 'x' button...

To me it seems like a "what are you willing to sacrifice?" kind of thing with these controller layouts.

 

[u4iX]

Is there a website that has some of these games like the one on Longbow people were mentioning?

Erm... HaloCoun...

Here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIYlP5FVPJQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqLdRYw7aUU

 

[Tashi]

But you'll also be stuck "sprinting" in a straight line because you'll be pressing the 'x' button...

To me it seems like a "what are you willing to sacrifice?" kind of thing with these controller layouts.

What? Do I have to hold sprint button or something?

 

[daedalius]

but you dont get knocked out of zoom in current builds...

Scope health is a thing. A thing Frank has confirmed. Still tweaking, might be in final might now; wouldn't doubt some sort of scope health will be in the shipping game.


As for bumper jumper, I need nade on LT. AA/Sprint on X, AA on A preferably; I won't use jetpack, and everything else is a toggle pretty much.

But you'll also be stuck "sprinting" in a straight line because you'll be pressing the 'x' button...

To me it seems like a "what are you willing to sacrifice?" kind of thing with these controller layouts.

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[Omni]

What? Do I have to hold sprint button or something?

I assume so? (anyone correct me if I'm wrong)

 

[daedalius]

I assume so? (anyone correct me if I'm wrong)

You know what you do when you ass-u-me.

and you're wrong.

 

[Rickenslacker]

As for bumper jumper, I need nade on LT. AA/Sprint on X, AA on A preferably; I won't use jetpack, and everything else is a toggle pretty much.

Agreed. It would be nice if tapping jump twice activated jetpack as well. I am never ever, not once, ever, NEVER going to not jump before jetpacking anyway.

I assume so? (anyone correct me if I'm wrong)

Sprint is a toggle in Reach, no reason to assume otherwise for 4.

 

[Tashi]

I assume so? (anyone correct me if I'm wrong)

Turbo button? Lol

I'm assuming is press once to activate and press again to deactivate.

 

[IHaveIce]

I'm sure it's been posted but here is some more Forge footage from RTX:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZT5QZ4ckMM

the water looks hideous compared to other Halo titles

My Bumber Jumper

 

[daedalius]

Turbo button? Lol

I'm assuming is press once to activate and press again to deactivate.

You can also just pull back on the movement stick to cancel sprint... if its anything like Reach, and I'm betting sprint probably is.

 

[Tashi]

You can also just pull back on the movement stick to cancel sprint... if its anything like Reach, and I'm betting sprint probably is.

Right. I can't imagine it changing much at all.

 

[Omni]

You know what you do when you ass-u-me.

and you're wrong.

Oh okay. I never really took notice of what I was pressing in Reach to sprint. Hmm, well maybe the layout doesn't look too bad any more.

 

[Gray Man]

the water looks hideous compared to other Halo titles

My Bumber Jumper

this must be a lie.

 

[Rickenslacker]

Something I'll comment on about the new Forge, I'm glad that the texturing on the Forge pieces are more simplified. The ornate texturing on Reach's just resulted in kind of a visual catastrophe especially when creating indoor settings with it.

 

[Caja 117]

if they don't fix bumper jumper than I just can't play this game..... FUUUUUU WTF guys granade on X WTFFFF how can you aim a nade a press X please for the love of everything let it not be final. I want to use X for sprint goddamn it, and.... finds magazine rack...x

Yeah, I hope they fix that, current bumper jumper players don't rely too much on AA's, , so Having AA activation in such important button as the LT is counterproductive.

 

[Hypertrooper]

the water looks hideous compared to other Halo titles

My Bumber Jumper

We are talking about Alpha gameplay.

 

[OverHeat]

the water looks hideous compared to other Halo titles

My Bumber Jumper

Water is Not final....I hope.

 

[Tashi]

Yeah, I hope they fix that, current bumper jumper players don't rely too much on AA's, , so Having AA activation in such important button as the LT is counterproductive.

Time to learn to claw BJ nerds! Hahaha

 

[StalkerUKCG]

Never got Bumper Jumper, Always been a default kind of guy.

 

[squidhands]

Ugh. Can't we just get rid of bloom? Seriously, now I get to choose between a BR with random spread or a blooming DMR? Just get it out of Halo; I don't care if its even just a visual effect in the end, it's still annoying.

I will miss bouncing grenades around corners. That's the best thing about the Grenade Launcher.

Any bloom I experienced was coming from the automatic weapons and not the rifles. There's a visual representation of bloom on the DMR, but it seemed to just be giving you a visual cue on when to pull the trigger next.

As far as the Sticky Pistol goes, I think it will be a good replacement for the GL despite the fact that it didn't need one (stats be damned). I watched a guy stick someone with it, and it went off immediately. I asked him afterward if he did that on purpose or if it automatically goes off when attached to a Spartan, but he didn't remember. There's an audible beeping noise once you stick it somewhere, but I don't know if it's only for your benefit or if everyone can hear it. If they can, it pretty much takes a lot away from the weapon as a trap device.

Squidhands, Tunavi – I'm really looking forward to some in-depth impressions from you guys.

bsangel kept giving me drink coupons, so I might not remember everything. Anything specific you want to ask?

Someone should ask them if flag juggling is in. I just want a straight answer. Something so small can't possibly be a "We're not ready to talk about that" right?

There were no CTF matches, only Regicide FFA on Adrift and Infinity Slayer on Haven.

I disagree. I'd rather see it across all gametypes or disallowed and force players to change they way they play around it.

It gets ridiculous to a point, especially when trying to garner interest to new players, when you have tons of these tiny little tweaks that affect how a game is played.

For instance, when switching from Super Slayer to MLG, it takes me a few games before my aim and strafe is adjusted to the different movement speeds and jump heights. It makes it harder for newer players to keep playing different gametypes when they can't realize why it "feels" different.

Best new junior? Best new junior.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Never got Bumper Jumper, Always been a default kind of guy.

Dat jump and melee without having to move your fingers from the sticks!

Time to learn to claw BJ nerds! Hahaha

Screw that mess.

 

[Ryaaan14]

I assume so? (anyone correct me if I'm wrong)

Halo 4 is already dead if Sprint isn't a toggle.