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[ElzarTheBam]

One of the best games I've played in a long time.

Best match that I have been part of in a while, that's for sure.

The last one was probably that close BTB game on Headlong a while back.

Cheating! Thats how!

Or by two of you spawning right in front of our flag carrier at the end.

But it was some good games. I actually played ok in MLG for once. And by ok I mean i went positive.

You played pretty good.

Oh I do. It was me! haha I've got beast call outs too. You should have heard. They've got sniper in sword base!

It's always the quite ones!

 

[Franklinator]

http://i.imgur.com/Gc7ko.jpg[img][/QUOTE]

Join us

 

[Akai__]

All those impressions of Halo 4 are so amazing. I can't wait to play it. *goes into cryo sleep until November 6th*

Spoiler

Wakes up on November 6th, 2013

 

[FUNKNOWN iXi]

I want to meet the person who designed this

Justice.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

Frankie/Ellis can you guys confirm/deny the presence of the ODST helmet? Surely that's not top secret. Right? Please tell us it's in.

 

[DopeyFish]

I got deranked in Halo 2 BTB because we were only offered low level players (the rest of the party was brought upwards) in a massive win streak. ELO's very design is to punish you for winning against lower level players, no matter what game you're playing. One of the famous chess masters got his ELO lowered from beating someone lower than him.

Imagine going for a 50 in Halo 3 and being unable to do it because you don't have enough 50s in the pool to continually match against, and you get deranked because the matchmaking pool server decided to give you just enough of a low ranked team.

Trueskill doesn't have this problem, you'll never lose rank for beating low level players. You just don't get much "credit" for doing so.

ELO did have the benefit of being able to map the ELO value to EXP bars so people got an RPG-esque experience for ranks, but when you have gigaflops of servers available, it's silly to use a ranking system that was intended to be calculable on pen and paper quickly.

Your eyes confuse you or you deranked from a previous game and your rank did not update right away (at the time, you could see on bungie.net what your skill progression was before and after the win)

I have played over 4500 ranked halo 2 games and have never deranked due to a win. Ever.basically due to the rank mins and maximums, you couldn't achieve a negative result due to a win. That's why if you played against a level 10 when you were a level 20, the system recognized them as like rank 15 due to the mismatch

You win against a low ranked opponent, you gain a tiny amount... You win against an equally ranked opponent, you gain some... You win against a higher ranked opponent, you gain a lot.

 

[DoctorBanjo]

Pokemon take over? One can hope..

Another fire type starter pokemon as well, I think we can all agree they were always the best ones to pick.

 

[Deputy Moonman]

Justice.

 

[Steelyuhas]

Impressions from RTX [by Mix]

SLUUUUUUUURRRRRRRPPPP!

Thanks for posting, sounds great.

mastrbiggy
Banned
(Today, 05:22 PM)

Seriously though, I thought biggy was good people. I guess I was wrong.

CE > H2, scrubs.

Well obviously.

I always just kind of assume that when people are ranking Halo multiplayer games they leave out H:CE because it's so much better than the others, and I'll admit hard to compare because it was not made for online play like the rest were.

 

[thezerofire]

dang those helmets are ugly. Where's Mark V?

 

[User 73932]

SLUUUUUUUURRRRRRRPPPP!

Thanks for posting, sounds great.



Seriously though, I thought biggy was good people. I guess I was wrong.



Well obviously.

I always just kind of assume that when people are ranking Halo multiplayer games they leave out H:CE because it's so much better than the others, and I'l admit hard to compare because it was not made for online play like the rest were.

I'm only a person, but in all honesty, I do like Halo 2.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

ODST
Security
Pilot
Mark 4
Mark 5

^ give me those and you can do whatever you want with the rest.

Edit

Noble Team helmets and SPI would be nice aswell

 

[Hypertrooper]

Both me and vhneverpostsherefive live in Connecticut. I go to school in Boston, he has a brother in the city I think.

Shit I always forget that. But I am still allowed to call you my boston peeps?

 

[Booties]

Is there a bracket showing the progress of the tourney? I know nothing except that Kyle crushed some euro trash kids.

 

[Franklinator]

Is there a bracket showing the progress of the tourney? I know nothing except that Kyle crushed some euro trash kids.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AueZnhUxx9hQdHNaUlg1RUl2UjU0OWphNEhOWDA3MHc&pli=1#gid=0

 

[MaximumFlipFlop]

I really hope that as gifts to the fans we see full sets of Mark IV and Mark V in multiplayer. Make them tough to earn, but something truly worth earning.

 

[NobleGundam]

ODST
Security
Pilot
Mark 4
Mark 5

^ give me those and you can do whatever you want with the rest.

Edit

Noble Team helmets and SPI would be nice aswell

Forerunner Combat Armor In H4. Believe

 

[FyreWulff]

Your eyes confuse you or you deranked from a previous game and your rank did not update right away (at the time, you could see on bungie.net what your skill progression was before and after the win)

I have played over 4500 ranked halo 2 games and have never deranked due to a win. Ever.basically due to the rank mins and maximums, you couldn't achieve a negative result due to a win. That's why if you played against a level 10 when you were a level 20, the system recognized them as like rank 15 due to the mismatch

You win against a low ranked opponent, you gain a tiny amount... You win against an equally ranked opponent, you gain some... You win against a higher ranked opponent, you gain a lot.

ELO's punishing you for beating lower level players is inherent to it's system. Doesn't matter if it's Halo, chess, baseball, or Rock-Paper-Scissors. If you are an exceptional player, you will be punished for continually playing. It also has the island problem.

It's never coming back. Partly because there's much better systems out there (Trueskill is only one of them), and partly because the island problem makes it terrible for matchmaking search times edit: hence why they had to reset Halo 2's ranks.

I'm not really into repeating myself too much so I'll just give you this link to give you an idea of my opinion of Halo 2's ranks.

 

[Booties]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AueZnhUxx9hQdHNaUlg1RUl2UjU0OWphNEhOWDA3MHc&pli=1#gid=0

Thanks. And the teams?

 

[Aggrotek]

Alright, another member with a Pokemon avatar! Our numbers have increased two-fold today. I don't count the kid who ranted about dual-wielding spikers or whatever.

I decided to join the club.


Just wish it had a transparent bg..

 

[Franklinator]

Thanks. And the teams?

They're at the bottom of this document:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-XBt2PtESg5qJpCfRft-0WBcBWtLYuDgNotTFVa5FJ0/edit?pli=1

I decided to join the club.


Just wish it had a transparent bg..

Gimme a second

 

[KraZidave]

Came across this on my twitter feed and thought maybe some collectors here would be interested. It's for a charity called SpecialEffect

Halo 2: Signed & Sealed Limited Collector's Edition for Microsoft Xbox

 

[YourExWife]

Your eyes confuse you or you deranked from a previous game and your rank did not update right away (at the time, you could see on bungie.net what your skill progression was before and after the win)

I have played over 4500 ranked halo 2 games and have never deranked due to a win. Ever.

Yeah...H2 was notorious for being slow about updating game progress toward rank at times.

 

[User 73932]

Shadowrun is $30? C'mon MS.

 

[Franklinator]

If you think that you are truly ready, Aggrotek, then you may use this transparent avatar. Remember, use this avatar only if you think you can handle it. Not just anyone can wield this kind of power.

 

[heckfu]

Shadowrun is $30? C'mon MS.

Amazon, son.

Or just nut-up and buy it.

 

[Gui_PT]

Amazon, son.

Or just nut-up and buy it.

I found it super cheap in a store the other day.

Should I buy it? Why?

 

[LD2k]

When do we see this one?

 

[Franklinator]

Shadowrun's only $6 used at Amazon.

 

[Computron]

Amazon, son.

Or just nut-up and buy it.

I got it for a buck a year ago on GFWL.

 

[Aggrotek]

If you think that your are truly ready, Aggrotek, then you may use this transparent avatar. Remember, use this avatar only if you think you can handle it. Not just anyone can wield this kind of power.

Psh. Nidoking is the baddest of bad asses.

 

[Zeouterlimits]

I got it for a buck a year ago on GFWL.

Yeah but was a timed offer in an attempt to revive GFW.
Doesn't really help..

 

[DopeyFish]

ELO's punishing you for beating lower level players is inherent to it's system. Doesn't matter if it's Halo, baseball, or Rock-Paper-Scissors. If you are an exceptional player, you will be punished for continually playing. It also has the island problem.

It's never coming back. Partly because there's much better systems out there (Trueskill is only one of them), and partly because the island problem makes it terrible for matchmaking search times.

yeah, i guess my first suggestion was correct.

Halo 2 ELO didn't punish for winning because of the min/maxes

and island problem? Once again, it pushed ranked players up and down to fit into the game. You could play a level 30 against a level 50, but statistically it was like facing a level 43. Halo 2 had the quickest search times out of the entire series. In Reach/Halo 3, a lot of times I could go make a sandwich and it would be still in its completely anal loop of finding players. Even when Halo 2 was about to be killed off... I jumped online with only like 2,000 players in games... I still found a match in less than 20 seconds (Ranked Team Snipers)

and TrueSkill is utter fucking shit. (fyi, again).

I'm starting to doubt you even played Halo 2, to be honest.

 

[789shadow]

Halo |OT7| Sorry, no time for Halo, playing Shadowrun.

 

[heckfu]

When do we see this one?

http://i.imgur.com/l2liq.png[IMG][/QUOTE]

A shitty photoshop? I don't know if I follow the joke here.

 

[Tawpgun]

Shit I always forget that. But I am still allowed to call you my boston peeps?

Of course. If you ever happen to be in the city, ill probs be there. Gonna be taking summer courses next year if all goes to plan.

I want to get the fuck out of CT as fast as possible.

 

[Ryaaan14]

GGs GGs

 

[ElzarTheBam]

GGs GGs

Apart from the Tornado game...where you ALWAYS cheat.

Spoiler

I love you

 

[GhaleonEB]

GGs GGs

I need to expand my definition of GG to agree. :lol

 

[Ryaaan14]

Apart from the Tornado game...where you ALWAYS cheat.

Spoiler

I love you

 

[FyreWulff]

I'm starting to doubt you even played Halo 2, to be honest.

I had almost 10,000 games of Halo 2 played. Yeah, I didn't play it at all.

And lulz to the idea that H2 had the fastest search times of the series. Really?

 

[Ryaaan14]

Double chode & dog shit and what not.

 

[kittens]

I want to meet the person who designed this

To give them a high five? Me too.

I haven't been able to keep up with the thread today. Have people been flipping their shit over the new Hazop helmet again? I hope so, cause shit deserves to be flipped over that monstrosity.

 

[NobleGundam]

Reruns of "Young Justice" & "The Walking Dead".. Man, I need my fix while the long wait towards Nov. 6.

 

[ElzarTheBam]

To give them a high five? Me too.

I haven't been able to keep up with the thread today. Have people been flipping their shit over the new Hazop helmet again? I hope so, cause shit deserves to be flipped over that monstrosity.

 

[xxjuicesxx]

I wanna do Shadowrun when we do. Whos on Team Wolfrun?

 

[Tawpgun]

I wanna do Shadowrun when we do. Whos on Team Wolfrun?

Make me honorary wolf. I used to run shadowrun. Hit n Run Elf shit.

 

[thezerofire]

I was at most semi-decent at shadowrun, but I still had a lot of fun playing it.

 

[heckfu]

I wanna do Shadowrun when we do. Whos on Team Wolfrun?

You KNOW I am.

 

[Karl2177]

yeah, i guess my first suggestion was correct.

Halo 2 ELO didn't punish for winning because of the min/maxes

and island problem? Once again, it pushed ranked players up and down to fit into the game. You could play a level 30 against a level 50, but statistically it was like facing a level 43. Halo 2 had the quickest search times out of the entire series. In Reach/Halo 3, a lot of times I could go make a sandwich and it would be still in its completely anal loop of finding players. Even when Halo 2 was about to be killed off... I jumped online with only like 2,000 players in games... I still found a match in less than 20 seconds (Ranked Team Snipers)

and TrueSkill is utter fucking shit. (fyi, again).

I'm starting to doubt you even played Halo 2, to be honest.

Fyre is correct about the math of Halo 2's ELO system. You could lose a rank if you were leagues higher and won, but it's only with continual wins against low levels and no play against mid to upper tier levels. It was incredibly rare, but there are cases and the math verifies it. Do I think it should return? Not as a primary ranking system. Is TrueSkill better? In some regards yes, but some regards no. If you're using the skill system as a matching system with tighter restrictions(a la Halo 3/Reach), then your wait times are much larger.

I've always been in the boat of a customized ranking based on player performance. Play well consistently, get matches with and against very similar players. This comes down to assist/headshot/etc. that TrueSkill doesn't calculate.