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Halo |OT7| You may leave, Juices. And take Team Downer with you.
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Because they couldn't.
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The weapon flying fix was doable since it was something to do with the weapon attributes. BXR/etc were all deep rooted problems in the animation subsystem, which wasn't even fixed for Halo 2 Vista.
Reach includes many remakes, every one of which is worse for having jetpacks on them - especially Reflection. Making it so they can fly higher =/= designing the map for it. Ivory Tower was meticulously designed with specific player routes in mind. Letting players fly about on it undoes all of that.
That is because 1) Last Resort was rather thorougly remade in Halo 3, and 2) a one-time use item, rather than letting the entire team fly where they wish. Apples, meet oranges.
I don't see anyone insinuating that Bungie didn't consider how jetpacks would work. Do you think they considered how armor lock would interrupt combat, and cause issues? Do you think they considered how the Banshee's maneuverability would cause problems in BTB? Or how the player inertia would damage infantry combat? Is it insulting to point out these problems? No. No more than it is to say the jetpack damages map flow, because it sure as hell does. It's demonstrable on every remake map, and even on most maps that are not remakes.
I won't belabor this further, but I think you are very, very wrong, and that it's not really even open to debate.
Neither do i know how to make games but since they (according to my memory) deemed them cheating, it is obvious they couldn't fix them for some reason.
Since it was on the last page I will just say it again, the animation system of Halo caused for the button combos and I recall that being the reason for no custom button layouts in the future Halo games.
Zoso Achilles
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Reflection saw the biggest change. You could legit get on top of the center structure in Halo 2 on Sanctuary, Jetpack is useless on Hem, and is also useless on Pinnacle since you could already do a grenade jump from the lower bridge to the center with a grenade or just jumping on the overhead strut thingy. I think the map was better off for it, the sniper perch is a lot more dangerous which is always good for the top of a vertical map.
Yes, and their fix was to deleting armor lock from certain playlists and not including it in new ones. 343 was the one that started shoveling armor lock back into everything.
Or was it zoojoo?
NobleGundam
Banned
Any Idea who will voice act and play CG character as the Didact in Halo 4? IMDb doesn't state that tidbit at all yet.
Direct Feed of the Demo gets me amped for the campaign.
Direct Feed of the Demo gets me amped for the campaign.
Yep. I've been wishing for a long time that Halo 4 jetpack would be a simple double jump.
ElzarTheBam
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That would be a lot better. Space Jump from Metroid please, would make exploring in single player much more fun as well.
YourExWife
Member
This reasoning is still bullshit. It was the sequence and timing of the *actions* that caused the glitches, not the buttons being pressed to perform them. This is basically one of the only things I've never gotten a satisfying answer to from a technical standpoint.
A double jump with long cool down time would be fine with me.
They just cut the conversation. Reaction gifs are fine for news or stories. For other posters, nope.
vv non-animated pictures are not any better.
Hydranockz
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Aggrotek
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neoism
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hope lore takes it easy with more juniors for awhile...plywood was the last great junior.
Holy shit.
Holy shit.
Wow.
I would counter all this bullshit, but typing on a phone is obnoxious.
I've seen some heavy duty slurping in my day, after all i have to deal with starwolf... But goddamn.
I guess the one big point i want to make is even if Bungie designed all this intentionally, they wanted people to be able to go wherever whenever...
It was a stupid decision.
If it were me, I'd have the ability stop straddling the line between being focused both on mobility and offensive capability, making it solely a movement modifier. I mean, all anecdotal, but people bitch most about jetpack when they're getting grenaded or shot from a jetpacker assaulting them, not when the jetpack is used solely to jump up to an area and capture it. Remove the ability of the jetpacker to fire and throw grenades, just like Sprint, and I think a lot of complaints go away immediately.
I have nothing against juniors. The only thing that can affect my opinion about a poster before reading his or her posts is a tag portaying that poster in rather negative light. Though those are rare. And usually i try to avoid reading tags before reading posts.
Besides, hasn't everyone here been a junior once.
Deadly Cyclone
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Gifs are making me laugh, love Hot Fuzz. Elzar and Woo have a point though. 
This works too!
Aggrotek
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Gifs are making me laugh, love Hot Fuzz. Elzar and Woo have a point though.
I was just messing with Elzar. I have no opinion on the debate they were having lol
Gifs are making me laugh, love Hot Fuzz. Elzar and Woo have a point though.
I've been shortened to Woo? Hmm. Definetly need to ask name change to Empyrus, at least it can be shortened to "Emp" which is considerably better than "Woo"
This or a double-jump.
Just realized I had the first post on the last three pages.
Triple kill.
From what we've seen of Thruster Pack, you can't use your weapon during the animation, perhaps Jet Pack will take a similar route.
It might be interesting to see how not being able to use your weapon with any AAs works.
I thought that raising/lowering your weapon during PV would be a nice balance tweak to lessen its rumored strength.
Triple kill.
From what we've seen of Thruster Pack, you can't use your weapon during the animation, perhaps Jet Pack will take a similar route.
It might be interesting to see how not being able to use your weapon with any AAs works.
I thought that raising/lowering your weapon during PV would be a nice balance tweak to lessen its rumored strength.
That's actually an interesting way to preserve the "jet" nature of the jet pack (ie: not nerf it to a simple double jump) but still combat a lot of grief the jetpack causes. And it would align it with all the other armor abilities. Armor Lock can't shoot, Sprint can't shoot, Evade can't shoot. (Camo is an anomaly that should be burned with fire as discussed, at length, in OT6).
If they're not making jetpack a simple double jump, still my first choice, then they should make it a mobility pack only.
inb4 50/100 posts per page....
NobleGundam
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Is Evilore an Admin and/or Moderator, Site Co-Owner of NeoGAF? I should research before asking but I just like HaloGAF's replies with humor and sarcasm gifs
ElzarTheBam
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Woo? I like that, although, I prefer EMP.
Evil is the sites owner. Or co-owner? Not sure. Also an admin.Is Evilore an Admin and/or Moderator, Site Co-Owner of NeoGAF? I should research before asking but I just like HaloGAF's replies with humor and sarcasm gifs
I definetly would prefer Emp.
Hurray for constructive posts!
Wouldn't change anything for those using Default.
Make Bumper Jumper default.
How about we put it back on the map as a power-up.
Wouldn't change anything, a bunch of people would simply switch to Reach-like controls and nothing would change.
In before you suggest removing Reach-like controls: You just killed Halo for those people. Nearly anyway.
NobleGundam
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Thanks Woorloog.
I'd like to think there must be another owner. EvilGAF is cool GAF.
Brownie +1
What if you simply couldn't zoom in while using Camo as an AA? That would eliminate a lot of the camping/sniping issues. Especially in 4 where they've said they rebalanced the sniper to be harder than reach, but easier than 3.
This way you can be invis and scramble other radars, but you're literally forced to move around to be effective.
Or this + no zoom?
VivaciousJazzy
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I think you've confused the world we live in for one that make sense.
I don't dislike something in Reach, therefore I'm slurping? Really? I've never agreed with everything Bungie did, even in Reach. I just don't agree with the idea that jetpack was this outside agent that nobody at Bungie was unable to reckon for. I've already put forward that if a map designer didn't want the jetpack up to somewhere, all they had to do was either put a ceiling across something or scale up the geometry vertically so the jetpack couldn't get up anymore. Fall damage was removed partway in Halo 2's development, and I don't see people saying zero fall damage ruins map flow either these days, even though it was constantly moaned about back then during 2's run.
And if it doesn't work on old maps.. well, that's the developer's problem for remaking old maps. As it stands though, Reflection mostly got changed around the sniper spawn. You could already get on top of the center structure on Sanctuary in Halo 2, Jetpack is useless on Hem, and it just replaces an easy grenade jump on Pinnacle. Yawn.
The Reach TU change would have been more helpful if it just lengthened the re-camo time if you just fired a weapon, or if firing your weapon cost camo-time, like how firing on an AL user drains their AL meter.
ElzarTheBam
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GG all.
Connection/netcode was not so great today.
Connection/netcode was not so great today.
NobleGundam
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I sorta like that idea of not being able to zoom, encourages more skill (I guess).
Also, how do we know if scrambler is implemented with Camo again? I hope it doesn't, just to nerf it more.
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