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Halo |OT7| You may leave, Juices. And take Team Downer with you.
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The Librarian
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You're kind of vague here, so I may be misunderstanding you, but what I think you're describing is perfectly normal for Halo games (and games in general) when it comes to interest level on NeoGAF. It wasn't Reach in particular. Halo 3's launch was arguably more anticipated on the website, and even there the thread dwindled down to a dozen or so hardcore fans. Same thing happened with ODST, same thing happened with Reach, same thing will happen with Halo 4.
I haven't seen the remarks you're talking about – I could only find snippets in write-ups – but from what I've read about them, and talking about back-padding in general for a project like this, here's what I think. The articles I've looked at yielded the information that this project was a collaboration of about 400 scientists from seven different countries, though it was led by NASA. Which means:
1. without NASA, this would not have happened;
2. this was entirely funded by the American taxpayer at the cost of $7-$8 per person.
History will remember this as another step forward in HUMANITY'S progress into space. But in the short term, because of the two conditions outlined above, I think that entitles America to a little bit of bragging.
Just a bit.
A good write-up. The problem can be summarized in essentially one word: money.
Goddamn greedy corporations.
Brilliant.
Ironically, I'd say the problem wasn't corporations but rather a few key people. Ultimately I'm very happy the Halo movie didn't get made because it would have been a poor script with a director who I don't think is suited to the space opera feel of the trilogy (liked District 9 for what it was but keep the alien weapons that gib people out of my film.) But what stopped it was ultimately two or three guys who wanted a bigger slice. Sure, it was expensive, and Microsoft asked for a lot without fully understanding the movie business and what that entailed. But it was Jackson and co. that truly sank it.
Select got removed because the creator of the map pissed off the wrong people. Its removal has nothing to do with the map itself.
Mister Negative
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Oh interesting article thanks.
lol whut? Uncaged a map which is pure shit is in, but a map that was at least decent got removed just because he pissed of CCs? (or whom?)
Also to yesterdays topic about the text in the middle, if it will be distracting:
I'm already annoyed by Reachs messages on the side, I don't know if it is only in the German Version but the Text is sometimes directly in the crosshair.
And I hope this time the HUD isn't the same blue as the sky.
The Librarian
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Here's what I was talking about when I said that. I should've highlighted the passage and included "people" when describing who was being greedy. Jackson did have a hand in the movie's demise.
And another passage saying Universal wanted to cut down the deals of the producers. I think you have a very good point that it was probably for the best that Bloomkamp's Halo movie wasn't made, at the very least for all the trouble that seemed to be going on behind the scenes.
Hydranockz
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Is that what you tell yourself about Refuge?
Beers don't go in those ear lobes.Or beer cans through your ear lobes?
higherARC05
Banned
Beers don't go in those ear lobes.
Interesting
StalkerUKCG
Banned
All of my what.
Idk, I feel like I would of played a lot more reach if arena was in one of my favorite playlists (team snipers).
This guy knows what he is talking about
I wish 343 would just tell us what they are planning for a competitive ranking system. I have been waiting to hear about a competitive ranking system since 343 took over from Bungie. Sadly they used the "we are putting all our efforts into Halo 4" and did not fix the ranking issue in Reach. Now that some Halo 4 news is out, I still don't see or hear any form of news regarding the ranking system except that there will be no 1-50 or an Arena styled system.
I'm just hoping that 343 doesn't make the same mistake as Bungie did with Halo Reach.
I feel there are only two possibilities of why they haven't told us anything about skill based ranks.
1. They don't plan on giving us skill based ranks.
2. They are still tweaking the skill based rank system. (highly unlikely as the game goes gold soon)
And playing against people who have just picked up the game does not make you want to do this as well? Better yet getting paired up with these same people on your team doesn't make you rage either?
What makes the accomplishment even better is the fact that you have to beat other 50's to get your 50. You don't simply win a ton of games against people who have no idea what they are doing. Depending on the level of competition getting a 50 can be a tough thing to do, whereas increasing your cr bar in social playlists can only be described as watching water boil. "Ohhh look I won another game by 30 kills..."
The sniper still looks like something outta Bioshock D:
neoism
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Hydranockz
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Wasn't skill based ranking confirmed ages ago? 343 just said it wouldn't be 1-50.
The threads already ebb and flow with new information. When we get any new video or proper release a lot of lurkers will jump back into the fray.
like me
I thought Frankie mentioned something about rank not being visible to others...
They said that TruSkill would be implemented but not in a way it was in Halo 3 or Reach, they apparently spoke to someone at (E3?) and said that the ranking system would be so only you could see your rank and others couldn't.
Highest level in 3 I got was 43, I thought around 45 (Brig) was pretty normal and anyone above that was pretty good when I got matched up against higher ranks.
Is that confirmed though? I thought frankie dropped the "maybe bomb" in front of the part where we could see our rank but no one else's.
Oh, don't be silly. Bioshock weapons look good.
But seriously, I wonder how old those assets really are. If you look closer at the mounted gun, they still used the old UNSC logo when this thing was made.
Yeah it ain't confirmed, he ended up saying that they're still thinking of other ways to add TruSkill I think.
Mister Negative
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I believe he said something akin to, "We're still looking at it."
I have yet to hear a valid argument as to why the rank should NOT be visible to everyone. Griefing, deranking, quitting, and boosting will happen regardless of whether or not the trueskill is visible or not. Yes visible rank might give you all of that baggage, but it also gives you incentive to win games and not simply grind credits.
If that's true it's even more of a step backward than Reach.
The only reasons I can think of is boosting, and account selling/buying. Boosting will happen with almost every system they implement. With the credits people just need to have 2 people, both sign in 3 guests and repeatedly kill the guests in something like Social Slayer or something.
Fucking stupid if that turns out to be true.
To be honest I think most people do buy accounts for bragging rights, but I'm guessing a lot of the people who buy accounts also buy them just for the hell of having a high rank. It will help stop account buying, but there will still be people who buy accounts.
Zeouterlimits
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Doesn't sound like a full picture of it, people would just compile that data online.
I don't see why account buying such a plague that it has to kill public skill ranking altogether. Let the sad nerdlings buy their accounts to feed their virtual persona, but just develop a system that adapts ranking accordingly, a system that can identify a huge drop-off in skill.
It pisses me off no end, if 343 had spent the last three years developing such a thorough and comprehensive system, rather than leaving it until the last minute to find their escape route, then they'd be rightfully praised and we'd have a much better competitive game. I don't play Starcraft, but they incubate their ranking system from the earliest stages of development, and use that time to ensure it's as comprehensive, accurate, and fool proof as possible.
It's the E3 before launch and 343 still haven't even decided on a system. It seems like they've spent the last 3 years racking their brains to figure out a way to nuke visual ranking without pissing off the competitive gamer entirely, which just aggrivates me even more.
I'm sure there's more to it, but the basic premise is just so stupid.
Poker Face
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It doesn't though, that's the point, it's a lazy copout, without question.
Other games have proven that such a system can be implemented, and 343 had 4 years of development to figure it out. Obviously they didn't consider it worthy enough of the resources, and so whatever half arsed, half baked, below par system they come out with I won't applaud. We're theoretically looking at a worse system for the average player than that of Halo 2 and 3, if that rumoured system comes to fruition.
And before anyone jumps in with 'we don't know the full details', or 'stop moaning until 343 clarify', I'd love to be wrong, but unfortunately we can only discuss what we believe we know.
Hydranockz
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What a laughable mindset to have.
Tha Robbertster
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And you know, what's wrong with a little bragging? It's part of what makes competition fun, in everything.
I am better then Robbert. I am the president of the cool club.
Hydranockz
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I don't believe anyone anywhere has a problem with a little bragging...
It's laughable when you get sent a message or picture that says 'Bad 50' and they're like a 40 who went -10.
Stop acting like you're being oppressed, someone just told you posted a little late news, and you're getting pissy about it? It doesn't make sense.
Even if you don't want to read the earlier pages, just skim through it, that will probably be enough to see what has happened and what has been shown, etc, etc.
You're being mad because you don't like what some people are saying, I mean, God knows I get mad as well, but going out and calling everyone out by calling them assholes is different. If you want to have an enjoyable time in this community, i'd suggest cutting the shit.
Naw, brah that's me.
Tha Robbertster
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The cool JUNIOR club. Heh!
I hope not, though from past threads, that's the vibe I've gotten from it. If nobody posts anything against bragging, I'll gladly admit I'm wrong.
You'll always have stupid people. But most of the time, you brag to your friends about stuff and I don't hope your friends are sending those messages
NobleGundam
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I placed warrior-servants and not just Promethean only. I knew these guys are Juggernauts, yet we (more than likely) will fight Ur-Didact (Promethean) in Halo 4 which he is 1-2 feet taller than a regular sized warrior-servant.
The Real Napsta
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Who won AGL Chicago? I missed it.
Haha, no. It's just grown on me... unexpectedly, I might add.
Not at all.
It isn't a leap of logic to suggest that a studio as affluent in it's construction as 343 Industries, who're attempting to succeed a studio that have hired in specialist roles such as 'player investment designer', would consider hiring a similar employee to properly develop an evolution to a feature that's been an important fixture of the franchise for the majority of it's mainline life.
Nor is it 'laughable' to suggest that up until a few months ago 343i still hadn't concluded on an exact system, as Frank has already admitted as much within this very community.
Oh god, that reminds me of a message I got once, he thought he out BR'ed me when I was like 2 shots, when I told him that wasn't what a out br was he said something like 'Well you're a 50, you shouldn't ever get beaten by someone lower than you' I felt like hitting my head against a wall because he then said he put the video on his file share, not sure if he did though, didn't check.
I completely agree with you but at this point I will be happy with any form of skill based rank, simply because I doubt that even the proposed system by frankie will make it into the game. I feel at the very least his idea would be a step up from reach.
Yes, yes it is.. lol
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