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Halo |OT8| A Salt on the Control Room
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Hypertrooper
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No. Only the flood on the Ark and the Gravemind were wiped out when Installation 04 had been fired at the end of Halo 3. But there is still Flood at other Halo-Installation etc.
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kittens
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Damn, I'm really bummed about no brutes. I was confident that 343 would bring them back with a terrifyingly awesome new redesign. Maybe in Halo 5. Thanks for letting us know, Stankles.
Zeouterlimits
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Props to Frankie for coming out and saying no Brutes. Managing expectations like that, like he did with the Flood before, is commendable in my book.
Guessing the story bit may relate to Thursday War, can't exactly come out and spoil a part of that.
Guessing the story bit may relate to Thursday War, can't exactly come out and spoil a part of that.
For me I imagine it requiring 3 or 4 grunts to hoist the hammer above their head and charge, shrieking as a group some silly battle cry.
GrimBrother One
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PooBone
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Halo: Combat Evolved is my favorite game of all time. My favorite game of this generation is The Orange Box, hands down. (even though it's a bundle, I'd never played more than a few hours of the original Half Life 2) Halo 3 is my favorite Halo game of this gen. Honorable mentions: Mirror's Edge, Condemned: Criminal Origins, Mass Effect 2, MGS4.
Syracuse022
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Have you played Cortana on Legendary? Also, how in your mind did Cortana exemplify any of the list you provided?
Cortana is, quite literally, the devil's asshole.
Horse Armour
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How would they escape their confines and reach the Halo 4 world then? Do the humans or any of the Covenant know the locations of the other Halos exactly?
squidhands
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Ken, please grace us with an drawing of a Grunt trying to lift a Gravity Hammer
Zeouterlimits
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Demoncarnotaur
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Sweet, seems we will probably get one last big blowout next month.. Still, I hope PAX gives us enough to pass time.
That just made me realize how strange it is that the Xbox logo isn't just an X in a box.
rumored leaked fuel rod cannon
the Promethean sniper is rumored to be called thebinary rifle
no idea on how legitimate these could be, but here is source
Hm, no complaints with the style of the gun, it looks pretty awesome.. That said, if real too bad its just a re-skinned Reach model.
Well fuck. =(
Thanks for telling us now, I would have been super bummed if I was expecting them to show up only to have them be absent. Any chance we can still see 343s take on the Brute design one way or another?
wiped out in our galaxy, but the Flood's origin is extra-galactic.
This.
I also hope to see engineers return. And since the forerunners have plenty of mechanical defense AI... it would be nice seeing sentinels, but especially the Halo 2 Enforcers. Maybe other types of defense AI from the prometheans we've already seen.
Hypertrooper
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Halo 4 world is a Forerunner world?
Zeouterlimits
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The removal of the BR helped that in Reach, but yes, they ultimately felt like a predictable puzzle, of walking through the motions to defeat them. The Chieftains less so, but similar.
Who's to say the Flood couldn't stroll into our Galaxy the same way they did originally? We don't know where they came "from".
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kittens
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But they didn't HAVE to be like that. I was hoping for a pretty radical re-envisioning in Halo 4.
Crow's Nest or whatever in Halo 3 is still one of my favorite levels of any of the Halo campaigns, had really good fight encounters through out. I'll live without them though...be nice if the Forerunners had the original Chopper tech, bring a tear to my eye to see EzB tear people new aholes in it again.
Cut the fat from the lean, the covenant after H3 was all "yo Brutes you smell funky, you are no longer part of the clan, deuces." /canonraisins
Demoncarnotaur
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MaximumFlipFlop
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Glasslands answers that question.
StalkerUKCG
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I hope brutes return at some point. I really like them and they relationship between them and elites
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It would be pretty boss if Halo 5 followed the Halo 2 pattern, and you have missions as Arbiter, making his way to the Shield World, taking some payback from Brutes on the way.
I don't know what that image above is, but holy hell, if Brutes looked like that, then YES.
Interesting idea. Would love it.
Also the image is a concept for Halo 2 Brute, i think. Love it.
GrimBrother One
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Will be really interesting to see their take on the Arbiter's design, especially considering some of the other changes.
The Librarian
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Hm. I see where you're coming from, but I'm not sure if Brutes were defined in Halo 2. Here are some comments from Bungie employee made during the ViDoc "Et tu, Brute?":
1. "The Brutes were...they were added in a little too late I think. We didn't really have a chance to really flesh them out."
2. "Right from the start the design of the Brutes was not consistent about reinforcing that they are made to be worthy adversaries for the player."
3. "For the Brutes to behave kind of similar to the Elites, they have to be completely redone."
4. "He was just a damage sponge."
5. "The only tactic the player had was just to pump 'em full of lead until they fall down."
Jaime says that they were "meant to be the barbarians in Rome," but that doesn't say much from a gameplay standpoint.
From these comments you get a sense that Bungie's intentions for Brutes were not realized in Halo 2, or their idea of them wasn't completely thought out during production, and so I would argue that because they weren't clearly defined, it's hard to say what they were meant to be from a gameplay standpoint.
Now to talk about the gameplay point you mentioned. I agree that Brutes were more threatening in Halo 2 when they were charging than they when they were charging in Halo 3. And I do agree that when they were charging, you should avoid close-range combat. Well, in general you should avoid close-range combat with them in Halo 2.
But I'm not sure if that was meant to be a defining trait about them, or that should be something that we should take as their function. And I say that because Halo 2's melee system for campaign was broken. I would avoid close-range combat with Elites as much as I would with Brutes. I think it's as likely that the strength of the Brutes in Halo 2 was to make them different from Elites than it was saying "Here's what they are." In Halo 3, it seems to me that Bungie wanted more emphasis on close-range combat, specifically melee combat, because Brutes were easier to engage at that range and you could melee the Flood.
The functions of Brutes seems to be malleable as well. You don't see, or hardly see, the Brute pack gameplay in Reach. It's why I thought the Brutes were so boring in Reach: they were just there. There was no nuance to them anymore.
YourExWife
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Haha i'm on board with this.
I love that concept sketch above - but I've always thought the brutes were just awkward space apes.
ElRenoRaven
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So just read the bulletin. Game bought due to the
achievement. ROFLMAO
ElRenoRaven
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My eyes nearly popped from their sockets when i read thatAmazing!
Yes it is. I can't help but laugh so damn hard at that one.
While I won't miss Brutes it would've been cool if there was an occasional pack of brutes with a Chieftain leading them. I've always liked the Chieftains, mostly the ones wielding hammers. It wasn't until a few years after the release of Halo 3 that I found out that you could duel the Chieftain at the end of The Ark. Definitely one of the coolest things in any Halo campaign and it blew my mind when I found out about it.
ElzarTheBam
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I will miss the ODST firefight specific chieftains.
thezerofire
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I've never done this, how do you start it?
squidhands
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I think it was either juices or kylej. Used to get those two confused a lot in my early days on GAF.
Orochinagis
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I remember Spark mentioned they have flood's samples to study in some of the stations.
When you meet that group of Brutes that are being scolded by Truth, you walk up to the Chieftain and start whooping on him. The surrounding Brutes will watch you slaughter their leader.
3 Hammer Chieftains and 2 Fuel Rod Chieftains (with many skulls, heroic, solo), holy shit that was fun!
So I just pictured masterchief walking into a Covenant, Forerunner fight. Three way battles would be really interesting.
I didn't know about this til you just said it. Holy crap - this seems like something that should've been telegraphed a little better. I'll be doing this on my next playthrough for sure.
Guys, most Covenant technology is repurposed Forerunner technology. The grav hammer could easily be Forerunner.
Dax, since I'm not at my computer still I'll get you a much more complete response later. I will say that one of your quotes goes against your argument. It's the one saying that brutes need to fill the elites role.
Dax, since I'm not at my computer still I'll get you a much more complete response later. I will say that one of your quotes goes against your argument. It's the one saying that brutes need to fill the elites role.
Just walk up to the middle of the room without attacking anyone and the chieftain will fight you one-on-one. The other brutes won't attack until you beat him. Took me a while to figure out it was possible as well, as normally I would just start shooting at first sight.
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