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[Blueblur1]

And so did the person who wants to play split screen with his friends (or in my case, family*).



*Though I don't care if it's in matchmaking one way or the other, as long as it's an option for local play.

This. I often play splitscreen with my cousin. We both play with our own Xbox Live Gold accounts.

This is ridiculous. The whiners should stop spamming this thread with their "logic" and go play Modern Warfare 2 instead.

 

[Trasher]

And so did the person who wants to play split screen with his friends (or in my case, family*).



*Though I don't care if it's in matchmaking one way or the other, as long as it's an option for local play.

I would be disappointed if it wasn't an option for local play.

What if I don't log in using my account? What difference does it make if I'm a guest or using my account? I've still paid for the service.

Then that's your fault for not logging in on your account. You expect Xbox Live to just assume it's you playing behind that guest's name? Don't be so naive. That's a horrible argument, and is also very fitting coming from you. Only you would expect something to work like that. You pay for the account that thereby lets you use the service... I can't believe I have to explain this. Yet again it is you, so I do believe it.

And you think people signing in with their gold accounts eliminates those problems? Because it doesn't. Having two golds play on the same xbox is the same thing as having a gold and a guest play. There's no difference.

Yes, I do believe it would eliminate some of those problems because people tend to care a bit more when their stats are kept track of. There is definitely a difference between someone who cares about their stats/achievements/etc on their account, and someone who doesn't.

This. I often play splitscreen with my cousin. We both play with our own Xbox Live Gold accounts.

This is ridiculous. The whiners should stop spamming this thread with their "logic" and go play Modern Warfare 2 instead.

Sarcasm?

It's an internet forum where we discuss and argue about video games. Not that ridiculous...

 

[enzo_gt]

Some of you anti-split-screeners freak me out.

Guests are having fun, at your expense? Really? This isn't professional sports here for chrissakes.

Yeah, I really just can't believe it. Its astounding.

Also, I think Jetpacks can work. Don't shoot me but if MP is a radical change, as long as jet pack dudes don't get snipers I'm cool. Reach should also include options implemented to make games 99.9% just like games in Halo 3, as in completely mimic them. Probably asking for too much.

 

[Trasher]

Yeah, I really just can't believe it. Its astounding.

Astounding? Not really. There is an ocean of opinions out there. I used to think it was astounding that someone could enjoy using dual spikers in multiplayer, but then I met Dax. Now I know there's plenty of weird and different people out there that enjoy games in ways that are very strange to me. It doesn't astound me anymore.

 

[AwesomeSyrup]

So is the Vidoc confirmed for X10?

 

[The Librarian]

Then that's your fault for not logging in on your account. You expect Xbox Live to just assume it's you playing behind that guest's name? Don't be so naive. That's a horrible argument, and is also very fitting coming from you. Only you would expect something to work like that. You pay for the account that thereby lets you use the service... I can't believe I have to explain this. Yet again it is you, so I do believe it.

You completely missed the point of what I was trying to say, then you twist my words into something they're not. All I meant to say is that, assuming I don't recover (and I don't see any reason not to), it's still me.

Yes, I do believe it would eliminate some of those problems because people tend to care a bit more when their stats are kept track of. There is definitely a difference between someone who cares about their stats/achievements/etc on their account, and someone who doesn't.

Good point, but whether or not someone behaves a certain way doesn't mean that others shouldn't be able to do it. There are a lot of people who scream/sing/are generally really annoying, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to use a mic.

 

[Stormtrooper30]

Then that's your fault for not logging in on your account. You expect Xbox Live to just assume it's you playing behind that guest's name? Don't be so naive. That's a horrible argument, and is also very fitting coming from you. Only you would expect something to work like that. You pay for the account that thereby lets you use the service... I can't believe I have to explain this. Yet again it is you, so I do believe it.

That doesn't even make sense. I'm with Dax on this one (as well as the multitude of others).

I want a jetpack.

C'mon, Brutes and Elites both got em.

This is actually a possibility in Reach. Bungie is taking out equipment and replacing it with armor powers (w.e theyre called). So a short burst jetpack could easily replace the gravlift (and would be much easier and practical to use).

 

[Trasher]

You completely missed the point of what I was trying to say, then you twist my words into something they're not. All I meant to say is that, assuming I don't recover (and I don't see any reason not to), it's still me.

So why wouldn't you just recover your tag then? I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

Good point, but whether or not someone behaves a certain way doesn't mean that others shouldn't be able to do it. There are a lot of people who scream/sing/are generally really annoying, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to use a mic.

There's a mute button for that. Don't know what you are trying to say here either.
Edit: Alright, I see what you mean now. My point is just that a lot of these problems are caused by guests being in a game. Since guests don't pay for Xbox Live then don't let them use it. Make them get their own accounts.

That doesn't even make sense. I'm with Dax on this one (as well as the multitude of others).

In order to use your account on someone's Xbox you need to recover your tag in order to play on it. What about that doesn't make sense?

 

[Blueblur1]

Sarcasm?

It's an internet forum where we discuss and argue about video games. Not that ridiculous...

I feel that this argument has jumped the shark. Thus, the use of the term "ridiculous".

 

[Stormtrooper30]

In order to use your account on someone's Xbox you need to recover your tag in order to play on it. What about that doesn't make sense?

The way you worded it was unnecessary. I don't understand what using your gamertag instead of a guest account would make. Now, if you brought your box and a tv over... that would be ideal.

 

[Trasher]

The way you worded it was unnecessary. I don't understand what using your gamertag instead of a guest account would make. Now, if you brought your box and a tv over... that would be ideal.

Using your own gamertag means there is a sense of something being yours. You have your own stats, your own achievements, your own map variants, your own saved films, etc. That makes most people care a bit more when they play because that account represents you and your achievements from playing the game. Guests don't have that sense of self entitlement when they are playing, which could be the reason for why so many of them don't take the games they play very seriously (betrayals, dropping out, fucking around, etc). This was the point I was trying to make: people with their own gold accounts care more about the games they are playing in.

 

[The Librarian]

So why wouldn't you just recover your tag then? I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

Well, since XBL gives you, essentially, unlimited amount of playtime for one year's worth of subscription, how you spend it doesn't really matter. At least I think that's what I'm getting at.:lol

There's a mute button for that. Don't know what you are trying to say here either.
Edit: Alright, I see what you mean now. My point is just that a lot of these problems are caused by guests being in a game. Since guests don't pay for Xbox Live then don't let them use it. Make them get their own accounts.

And that right there is probably the biggest point of contention (it seems to me). For the casual players, those people who just have a casual interest in playing a game (you know, will play it and have fun if they're over at a friends house) they just can't see themselves playing the game enough to justify spending that $50. Now, if it was PSN, it'd be a different story.

 

[Ramirez]

Let it go Trasher! The usual suspects are arguing with you, they will defend anything, there's really no point.

 

[Oozer3993]

So is the Vidoc confirmed for X10?

Yep. If my math is correct, we should be getting it Friday morning.

 

[vhfive]

sigh its times like these when i think that neogaf should just banish any halo thread ever.
seriously arguing and debating is fine but both sides have made their point and these last 2 pages have just been restating what has been said and insulting each other.

for shame halogaf for shame.

 

[EazyB]

Is time for meta-thread discussions? Those are my favorite.

This thread sucks, should be locked. Such a mess compared to the infallible greater GAF.
You suck.
You suck more.

I think things would go a lot better if we split into two threads.

"The Official Halo Reach Thread of We Can't Aim and Need a AR to Move"
"The Official Halo Reach Thread of Pooping on Kids Who AR"

 

[Trasher]

sigh its times like these when i think that neogaf should just banish any halo thread ever.
seriously arguing and debating is fine but both sides have made their point and these last 2 pages have just been restating what has been said and insulting each other.

for shame halogaf for shame.

I was bringing up reasoning for points that hadn't been brought up yet. You really want to argue about that now?! Shame on you for making a post that only stirs the shit up again. At least our posts are on topic with the thread title in regard to the speculation of what changes the game may or may not have, and what pros and cons would come from the change. And after all this bickering I think each side both proved some solid points.

For what it's worth, I think I finally got my point across to those who were too thickheaded to understand it at first, and I have nothing more to say on the matter. I will sleep well tonight!

 

[enzo_gt]

If the AR debate was bannable, HaloGAF would only create other things to debate about. I mean, for christ sake we're arguing over the inclusion of split-screen. I liked it better when Easter Eggs, HBO posts and impressions were posted. Hopefully X10 will wash away all the arguments with nitpicking of cell-phone quality videos of reach.

 

[Merguson]

Anyone stop to think how mysterious stains are in the Halo franchise?

 

[Trasher]

If the AR debate was bannable, HaloGAF would only create other things to debate about. I mean, for christ sake we're arguing over the inclusion of split-screen. I liked it better when Easter Eggs, HBO posts and impressions were posted. Hopefully X10 will wash away all the arguments with nitpicking of cell-phone quality videos of reach.

This all started because someone thought that by saying "take guests out of matchmaking" actually meant "OMG SPLIT-SCREEN SUCKS GET RID OF IT." It was never about removing split-screen from Halo. =/

 

[GhaleonEB]

This all started because someone thought that by saying "take guests out of matchmaking" actually meant "OMG SPLIT-SCREEN SUCKS GET RID OF IT." It was never about removing split-screen from Halo. =/

I haven't followed the debate too closely, so this has probably been mentioned, but what about allowing split screen/guests in Social but not Ranked playlists? Guests seem to fit the mold of what Social is about.

 

[Son of Godzilla]

Halo themed 1vs100 extended play on right now and for the next few minutes I think, omgosh.

It's hilariously difficult.

This all started because someone thought that by saying "take guests out of matchmaking" actually meant "OMG SPLIT-SCREEN SUCKS GET RID OF IT." It was never about removing split-screen from Halo. =/

Removing split-screen from Halo has been the go-to argument for people wanting it to look better for a long time. It's not exactly surprising it popped up.

 

[electricpirate]

I haven't followed the debate too closely, so this has probably been mentioned, but what about allowing split screen/guests in Social but not Ranked playlists? Guests seem to fit the mold of what Social is about.

That's how it works right now. Hence why the people saying that this basic feature, one that has been part of Live since Mechassault, should be scrapped are confusing the hell out of me. If they don't want to see a bongtacular(1), they never have to.

 

[Ramirez]

sigh its times like these when i think that neogaf should just banish any halo thread ever.
seriously arguing and debating is fine but both sides have made their point and these last 2 pages have just been restating what has been said and insulting each other.

for shame halogaf for shame.

Quit posting in the thread then, or use the ignore function. People who complain about the complainers are worse than anyone in here.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Edit: 500 error induced DP.

 

[GhaleonEB]

That's how it works right now. Hence why the people saying that this basic feature, one that has been part of Live since Mechassault, should be scrapped are confusing the hell out of me. If they don't want to see a bongtacular(1), they never have to.

Heh. I never knew that. Now I'm really perplexed at all the argument. That seems like an ideal solution to me. :lol

 

[Nutter]

Let it go Trasher! The usual suspects are arguing with you, they will defend anything, there's really no point.

Do you remember, it was not too long ago when we the ones "complaining" were called the Bungie Defense Force. :lol

 

[Captain Blood]

Do you remember, it was not too long ago when we the ones "complaining" were called the Bungie Defense Force. :lol

We don't have to give back our decoder rings do we?

Damn I completely forgot about the Halo 1vs100, that would have been fun.

 

[EazyB]

Do you remember, it was not too long ago when we the ones "complaining" were called the Bungie Defense Force. :lol

Can I be a Bungie Defense Force Defender?

 

[GhaleonEB]

Can I be a Bungie Defense Force Defender?

Only if I get to be a Bungie Defense Force Defending Attacker.

 

[EazyB]

Only if I get to be a Bungie Defense Force Defending Attacker.

It's a deal.

Spoiler

Even though I know you're just overcompensating to hid your true identity as a Tea Party Bungie Attack Force Defender Attacker

 

[Sai-kun]

Can I be a Bungie Defense Force Defender?

chopper defense force!

 

[Oozer3993]

We don't have to give back our decoder rings do we?

Damn I completely forgot about the Halo 1vs100, that would have been fun.

Full out Halo themed 1vs100 is Friday with Marty and Frankie and prizes. I'm hoping Voc and Cocop are exempt or we're all screwed.

 

[Captain Blood]

Full out Halo themed 1vs100 is Friday with Marty and Frankie and prizes. I'm hoping Voc and Cocop are exempt or we're all screwed.

Ok awesome that is what I was thinking of.

 

[GhaleonEB]

It's a deal.

Spoiler

Even though I know you're just overcompensating to hid your true identity as a Tea Party Bungie Attack Force Defender Attacker

Spoiler

fuck!

Anyway. Genuinely stoked about the vidoc. I've had a theory for a while now that Reach's MP is going to be the biggest evolution the series has taken so far. I'm hoping we get enough information to have a feel for it.

 

[Nutter]

The more actual in game footage the better.

 

[Deputy Moonman]

As far as Reach being a stand-alone game and not a continuation of the master chief story, it makes me think that Halo 4 will be a release for the next xbox system whatever and whenever that will be. Makes sense anyway.

 

[GhaleonEB]

As far as Reach being a stand-alone game and not a continuation of the master chief story, it makes me think that Halo 4 will be a release for the next xbox system whatever and whenever that will be. Makes sense anyway.

I'm pretty sure Voc's story pitch for Halo 4: DPR is what got him hired at 343 in the first place.

The more actual in game footage the better.

At first I read this as, "The more casual in game footage the better," and thought, yeah it should be packed with footage showing off the new AR.

 

[Trasher]

The more actual in game multiplayer footage the better.

fixed

 

[Deputy Moonman]

I'm pretty sure Voc's story pitch for Halo 4: DPR is what got him hired at 343 in the first place.

I must have missed it then. Have they removed the search tool for neogaf, because I can't find it anymore and am not allowed access to the "search this thread" option.

 

[urk]

...yeah it should be packed with footage showing off the new AR.

Anything for our All Star Bungie Defense Force Defending Attacker. Consider it done.

 

[AwesomeSyrup]

I will have to break something if there is no MP info in the vidoc. Please don't make us wait any longer Bungie.

 

[Mr Vociferous]

I must have missed it then. Have they removed the search tool for neogaf, because I can't find it anymore and am not allowed access to the "search this thread" option.

I actually got my job here because I beat Frankie in 1v1 slayer with plasma pistol default, first to fifty.

On Waterworks.

 

[EazyB]

Anything for our All Star Bungie Defense Force Defending Attacker. Consider it done.

I trust you'll update us on the availability of the Halo 2 maps as soon as you can?

 

[AllIsOneIsNone]

Quit posting in the thread then, or use the ignore function. People who complain about the complainers are worse than anyone in here.

I found this statement hypocritical to the brink of actually making sense...the question is, does pointing this out exempt your own act of complaining about complainers, or continue the viscious cycle of Samsara (a little buddhism reference)?

 

[urk]

I trust you'll update us on the availability of the Halo 2 maps as soon as you can?

Yup. Hopefully good news soon.

 

[dilatedmuscle]

Holy shit i just realized there will be glass levels on reach.. Its always been obvious considering the whole planet gets glassed.... But that concept art just puts it in your face and into perspective... which game has ever had melted glass levels?....WOOO this game is gonna be sweet!

Kinda Ironic, i been really pleased with ME2's graphics but after playing that game for around 40 hrs and then looking at Reach's screens, they look much better then i originally thought they did. I think its the higher resolution textures and more realistic shading.... ME2 has really dynamic and high contrast lighting/shading but some things look a little awkward compared to Halo's straight up lighting.

Anyways, i started an emile wallpaper

here's the first stage .

Yup. Hopefully good news soon.

Unless good new is there will be no H2 maps.... then its almost confirmed there will be some sort of H2 maps in Reach

 

[Hydranockz]

anyways this arguement has been beaten to shit already so who's ready for some reach news

You made it sound like you had news.

Spoiler

Edit: My browser just ignored the last few pages so I thought it was really quiet here yesterday. Epic fail.

Loving the concept art. Who would have thought that

Spoiler

the Covenant can sneeze over planets like that.

 

[The Librarian]

Got a Bunige t-shirt for my birthday today.

Oh, and happy birthday, Sir Fragula!

 

[Arnie]

Anything for our All Star Bungie Defense Force Defending Attacker. Consider it done.

AR starts confirmed.

But seriously, can't wait for this ViDoc. It could simply be a 3 hour montage of a prophet eating cereal and I would jizz down my leg.