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Halo Reach Reveal Thread - Matchmaking/Multiplayer Details Revealed
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electricpirate
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On the GTTV interview Lehto flat out said that while Noble 6 has a backstory and dialog, he's being left as a vessel for the player to fill
kind of like a cheap hoooker
BerserkerBarage
Neo Member
EazyB said:
It's because Reach will be AR starts by default...
Do I think they'll find someone as iconic as Steve Downes to voice Noble 6? Probably not. But that doesn't mean I want a mute character as well. I want Noble 6 to interact with his team, and that definitely comes in the form of speaking with them.
~B.B.
Cuban Legend
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I got a feeling Noble 6 is to be Gordon Freeman-esque.
Major Williams
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I don't think the question is if Bungie will fail with or without this. Besides, HL2 was criticized as I recall regarding this issue. One of the criticisms my friends and I had at least, thats for sure.EazyB said:
Subtervotion
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Gordon Freeman is everyone's favorite silent protagonist. It's a well known fact, I swear.
Also, while not being completely silent, Link is also loved by many. Silence isn't the problem here. Bungie can pull this off imo.
Also, while not being completely silent, Link is also loved by many. Silence isn't the problem here. Bungie can pull this off imo.
DragoNZ DZ
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Spasm said:
I'm incredibly tired, so forgive me, but is there a specific reason you're dividing your upload rate by 10 before you do this calculation? Is that just the amount leftover after you've dedicated 90% to pr0n torrent uploads to get your share ratio up?
Cuban Legend
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I think we can mostly agree that those criticisms fall short because the game is indeed backed by everything else in it being awesome.Major Williams said:
Whether or not Reach's main character is voiced and/or has his opinions voiced or acted out physically, the game will surely overcome that.
Besides, it's been said that N6 is a vessel for the player, hell we get to customize our Campaign spartan and keep him through SP into MP, they want us to invest ourselves into him.
Now if that translates into making campaign decisions in the SP as well, is something I wouldn't mind seeing.
Or maybe, I've just been playing too much Mass Effect 2.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
One thing I find interesting, I think it was from the G4TV interview, that mentioned when playing four player co-op in the campaign each player controls their own Spartan (along with their own customisations).
This leads to some interesting questions regarding how the game will allow for this to happen. In Halo 3 Bungie used the Arbitar and his sidekicks in order to give an in-game explanation of why Master Chief wasn't by himself. This was a step up from the Master Clones used in Halo CE and 2. It made sense too since with Halo 3 the co-op number was bumped.
I wasn't particularly impressed by how ODST handled it. The other players were essentially ignored by the narrative. Then again the story in ODST was meant specially for a single player and the character Lone Wolf being alone in New Mombasa.
So these comments about each player in four player co-op in Reach has me intrigued. The comments were pretty clear, in co-op other players will not assume the identity of the other members of Noble Team. They will be their own unique characters.
So will Noble Team be replaced in the Campaign by other player's Spartans? Very unlikely. The game is very strongly character driven from what we've been told. It wouldn't make sense to have the ability to replace the cast. I think this means that the end result will be similar to ODST, there will just be three extra Spartans running around, ignored by the main NPC's and forgotten in cut-scenes.
I hope I'm wrong, I would love to see greater integration of multiple players in the Campaign. Just doesn't seem likely any more.
*Totally ignoring character roles during Firefight in ODST, not Campaign so not relevant.
This leads to some interesting questions regarding how the game will allow for this to happen. In Halo 3 Bungie used the Arbitar and his sidekicks in order to give an in-game explanation of why Master Chief wasn't by himself. This was a step up from the Master Clones used in Halo CE and 2. It made sense too since with Halo 3 the co-op number was bumped.
I wasn't particularly impressed by how ODST handled it. The other players were essentially ignored by the narrative. Then again the story in ODST was meant specially for a single player and the character Lone Wolf being alone in New Mombasa.
So these comments about each player in four player co-op in Reach has me intrigued. The comments were pretty clear, in co-op other players will not assume the identity of the other members of Noble Team. They will be their own unique characters.
So will Noble Team be replaced in the Campaign by other player's Spartans? Very unlikely. The game is very strongly character driven from what we've been told. It wouldn't make sense to have the ability to replace the cast. I think this means that the end result will be similar to ODST, there will just be three extra Spartans running around, ignored by the main NPC's and forgotten in cut-scenes.
I hope I'm wrong, I would love to see greater integration of multiple players in the Campaign. Just doesn't seem likely any more.
*Totally ignoring character roles during Firefight in ODST, not Campaign so not relevant.
I'm by no means an expert on Link or the Half-Life games, but Gordon's mute-ness in HL2 was used more as a running joke than as a storytelling mechanism.Church RvB said:
And a distinction I'd make is that while in HL2 you spend the vast bulk of your time running around by yourself, in Reach, you're supposed to be the new member of a tightly knit squad of soldiers who are with you for nearly the entire game. I don't see how I'll be able to envision Noble 6 as part of that team if he's just a mute, non-responsive member. It would keep the player viewing this team from a distance, not as a part of it.
If Reach is going to have more d-list Syfy actors try to be space marines, I'd rather every character be silent. There's like 5 minutes of spoken dialogue in ODST and the performances are universally terrible. Persona 4 was published by Atlus. Atlus has a $350 yearly localization budget. Atlus USA has 2 employees and a kid with downs syndrome who tests the localized copies. P4 poops all over the VA in ODST and Halo 3. This should not be.
BerserkerBarage
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Gotta watch out for the quiet guys in your squad. They could end up going all Pvt. Pyle on you! If I find out Noble 6's drill instructor was R. Lee Ermey, I'm staying in the dropship.
~B.B.
~B.B.
Metroidvania
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Spasm said:
I'd buy it at a high price.
I'd make one of those big post back and forths we sometimes seem to have, but it'd boil down to "character focus" versus "plot focus".
Granted, Reach looks to be a lot more individual specific since we already know what the plot (roughly) is going to be, so I will remain hopeful.
DragoNZ DZ
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Spasm said:
Google's right.
You're doing something wrong.
The picture you showed has your upload as TWENTY-ONE mbps
In google, you put in TWO-POINT-ONE mbps.
One of these things is incorrect.
It's not like the actions a player is taking are all that go through the tubes. There is also the impulses upon any physics enabled object in the game, from a fusion coil to a crate to a lowly traffic cone. Those objects and the forces acting on them are sent and synced. If Bungie has to remove some of the boxes that are free to move around in order for a higher player count, I think that's a risk I'm willing to take.
Captain Blood
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God what a HL fanboy.EazyB said:
Subtervotion
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GhaleonEB said:
People are always talking to you in Half-Life 2. Alyx travels with you a bunch as well. Gordon's muteness never interferes with the feel of the game either. You should play it, since it sounds like you haven't.
And yeah, it is kind of a running joke. That's the point I hoped my post could get across.
Reach is pretty much confirmed to have matchmaking for Firefight:
http://www.oxm.co.uk/article.php?id=17546
http://www.oxm.co.uk/article.php?id=17546
pr0cs
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yep, I thought ODST was decent enough from a VA and story point of view, I certainly liked it a lot more than a lot of the previous Halo games because the story was a lot more humanized. (Master Chief might as well be a robot or an alien because he really is difficult to identify with).Gui_PT said:
Sadly ODST really demonstrated that Bungie needed to develop a new graphics engine because it wasn't showing it's age well.
Bought the Orange Box when it came out, played through HL2. Didn't make it through the Episodes. For most of the game - but not all - Gordon was solo. Bungie has said that Noble team is together for most of the game. That was the only distinction I was trying to make.Church RvB said:
My other point was, a mute character doesn't work when others are going to be talking to him often. That also happened in HL2, and is why I didn't think it worked. I just don't want that in Reach.
I was expecting this, but it's none the less awesome. Firefight has some epic potential that was just scratched in ODST.JaggedSac said:
pr0cs said:
Yeah, just change for Reach came just in time.
One question I have about the new engine btw, if someone from Bungie could possibly answer.
Everyone can clearly see how much everything is better. Not just in terms of polygon counts, scale of the environments, level of details, quality of the AI.
Did you have to sacrifice the performance of any other aspect to achieve this kind of quality or did you just tune up the engine in such a way that you can get this kind of quality without having to sacrifice anything?
Not a Jellyfish
but I am a sheep
GhaleonEB said:
I look at it is, Noble 6 is new to the new Noble team and still has to prove his worth to them. He tries to show it on the battlefield rather than having him talk out of turn to his superiors.
I would like it if he gradually said more in the later parts of the game because Bungie wanting this to be a character driven game and have the players care about the new characters the best way to do that is to show a relationship build between Noble 6 and the rest of the team. I am not goin to feel as emotionally invested in the characters if I really never talked to them to begin with.
Slightly Live
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GhaleonEB said:
We were talking about that update a few hundred posts back. Without search, a thread like this is quite hard to follow.
Isn't today Urkday? Where's mah BWU?
Not a Jellyfish
but I am a sheep
Dani said:
Hopefully it includes the new podcast they are recording.
Captain Blood
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Fixed.GhaleonEB said:
I am also having problems keep up with everything going on. Here is hoping for a sweet BWU.
Not a Jellyfish
but I am a sheep
urk said:
If it is no thtere, all if forgiven. I know it will be up there sometime and that is what keeps me living on.
