Lazslo
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New Bungie.net article up describing in detail Halo 3's multiplayer map Sandtrap in retrospect.
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Halo Reach Reveal Thread - Matchmaking/Multiplayer Details Revealed
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In what?Major Williams said:
What are you confused about?
To me I think the image on the left looks like crap. The one on the right looks a little bit better. I think it's because it's a little darker and hides some of the rough edges on it. Overall, the thing looks like a toy to me. From the videos we've seen I'd say that the graphics have improved by like 10%, and that's probably mainly due to how much more effort it looks like they have put into design. Someone who hasn't played much Halo 3 will probably just say that Reach looks the exact same. I'm glad I'm not picky about graphics. Halo is all about its gameplay.
@NJ Shlice: Did you really need another post to add that comment? :lol The "edit" feature is your friend.
InvincibleAgent
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You will not rest any time soon, sir.kylej said:
Y'all complainin about the plasma pistol are crazeh
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Safe Bet said:I was excited for Reach MP until I jumped into Halo 3 MP again.
~-15 K/D ratio killed any hype I had.
Still looking forward to SP though.
When Reach launches I'm sure there'll be plenty of players at all skill levels in multiplayer
Yeah, when Reach launches there will be a lot more people playing with many more skill levels, so people who know what's going on with the multiplayer but still aren't that hot at it should be fine.Safe Bet said:I was excited for Reach MP until I jumped into Halo 3 MP again.
No choice what map I played, no choice what mode I played, and a ~-15 K/D ratio killed any hype I had.
Still looking forward to SP though.
Sandtrap Post Mortem is awesome, thanks urk.
I'm not complaining. I just don't see why everyone is fapping over these barely improved graphics. I think a lot of you are having a little case of "OMG HYPE" haha. Which is fine! But I will always be here to question your hyped up opinions.InvincibleAgent said:
Bungie somehow always gets the images on their website to look better than they are in game it seems too. Maybe I have something wrong with my TV's settings haha.InvincibleAgent
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I think you might.
And yeah, ratio can't go below 0, so -15 is clearly spread.
And yeah, ratio can't go below 0, so -15 is clearly spread.
Jump into any competitive online game 2.5 years after release and expect to get pooped on. The average player now is worlds better than your average player in 2007. There'll be plenty of bad players to go around come Reach, you'll fit right in.Safe Bet said:
Really nice postmortem. I know a lot of GAFers don't like Sandtrap but I find it's mostly because they refuse to change their playstyle and use vehicles. I love Sandtrap because it is really the only vehicle-focused map in Halo 3. Could do without so many lasers though.
I'm not sure what Halo 3 you're playing but compare the Reach MP footage with Halo's and then try to tell me there's a "10%" improvement. Yeah screens of Halo 3 are deceiving because the IQ in-game is pretty shit but the footage of Reach shows there's a noticeable improvement in that arena on top of better lighting, animation, and textures.Trasher said:I'm not complaining. I just don't see why everyone is fapping over these barely improved graphics. I think a lot of you are having a little case of "OMG HYPE" haha. Which is fine! But I will always be here to question your hyped up opinions.
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EazyB said:
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squidhands said:I think I want to cry old man tears. I was 28 when Halo: CE came out.
You best me, I was 21.
System link MP matches to this day, were the most epic thing ever.
Battle Creek for the motherfucking win. I've been pining for Halo CE remade for either XBLA or as a bonus on Reach from the start.
Even if they use the Halo 3/ODST engine for it, I'd me MORE than happy.
I'd pay full fucking price for it too. Say something.
EazyB said:
I would compare multiplayer screenshots, but there aren't any good quality ones up that I can find. Only screencaps from the trailer which look like complete crap.
And you are right. It's definitely a noticeable difference. In fact I'd call it a 10% noticeable difference!
InvincibleAgent
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"I think you might" was in response to "Maybe I have something wrong with my TV"Trasher said:
InvincibleAgent
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Only necessary if you're not responding to the very last thing posted
I love you.EazyB said:
I hate you.user_nat said:
What I like about Sandtrap is, when people are really using the vehicles, they get moved around like chess pieces. Rather than moving sets of infantry around for map control, that same kind of tactical positioning and flanking takes place in vehicles, which all the other vehicle maps are to confined to support.
A personal highlight of that kind of play (VIP, of all things).
Also anyone read this and think about how 1) it sounds similar to what we've seen from the Reach MP video, and 2) how Bungie has a tendancy to try and get something into one game, fail, and then put it in the next? (Scarabs, online co-op, saved films, Headhunter, etc.)
The massive gun aiming down part aside, that sounds an awful lot of what the Invasion game type seemed to involve, with the incoming assault on the generator locations from a landing zone (objective-based sequential gameplay).
Skiesofwonder
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Just picked up Halo 3 for the first time last night. I haven't payed much attention to the game, so don't really know how Neogaf and others reacted.
Note: Single Player Impression's Only!!
I have just finished level 3, and wow..... Bungie needs to do something with their single payer campaigns. Modern Warfare and Gears of War make this seem like child's play. And I never thought I would say this... but I was more engaged in both MW2 and GoW2 (which is saying a lot) stories at this point.
Halo 1 was great for it's time, but Halo 2 was too much the same and 3 just seems outdated. Almost zero variety and basically the same enemies, scenarios, and environments I played almost... what... 7 years ago?
I know multi-player is where it is all at.... But I like playing the main campaign first on my FPS's. But, I can't find any reason to continue on with the single player campaign. Neogaf, convince me otherwise.
p.s. Tried to post this in the Halo 3 thread, but it was closed. So I though this was the best place to discuss the Halo series.
Note: Single Player Impression's Only!!
I have just finished level 3, and wow..... Bungie needs to do something with their single payer campaigns. Modern Warfare and Gears of War make this seem like child's play. And I never thought I would say this... but I was more engaged in both MW2 and GoW2 (which is saying a lot) stories at this point.
Halo 1 was great for it's time, but Halo 2 was too much the same and 3 just seems outdated. Almost zero variety and basically the same enemies, scenarios, and environments I played almost... what... 7 years ago?
I know multi-player is where it is all at.... But I like playing the main campaign first on my FPS's. But, I can't find any reason to continue on with the single player campaign. Neogaf, convince me otherwise.
p.s. Tried to post this in the Halo 3 thread, but it was closed. So I though this was the best place to discuss the Halo series.
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GhaleonEB said:
Yea, pretty much thinking the same thing myself.
Trasher said:http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh252/TJTrasher/Reach-m10_1stperson.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh252/TJTrasher/H3_E307_FP01.jpg
I would compare multiplayer screenshots, but there aren't any good quality ones up that I can find. Only screencaps from the trailer which look like complete crap.
And you are right. It's definitely a noticeable difference. In fact I'd call it a 10% noticeable difference!
And your point is?
The alpha version of Reach already looks better than the final version of Halo 3...Reach has more detailed textures, better lighting, better-all new animations, improved texture filtering and all that in bigger environments and with more enemies on screen.
How is that only a 10% improvement?
Ah very cool. Good to know they are improving that IQ. I never really pay much attention to all that graphics mumbo jumbo like you do.EazyB said:
Alright fine, so maybe it's a 16% improvement. MAX.
Anyways, I'm just trying to prepare you guys for all those casual Halo people that, at release, are going to come in here and say, "LOL same engine as Halo 3. This game looks like shit!." You know it's going to happen too. =/
I do realize it's just the alpha. In fact I think I had to remind some people of that before. I just don't understand why some people seem to think it's a huge improvement over 3. It definitely looks better, and as someone who has played a lot of Halo I would hope you can notice that. But I think your average Halo player won't be able to tell. I showed the MP video to a few of my friends and that was their opinion, and I can kind of see where they are coming from.Feindflug said:
Trasher said:
I would compare multiplayer screenshots, but there aren't any good quality ones up that I can find. Only screencaps from the trailer which look like complete crap.
And you are right. It's definitely a noticeable difference. In fact I'd call it a 10% noticeable difference!
That's the best Halo 3 shot there is. The Halo Reach shot is not the best screen there is. Bad comparison.
C'mon dude, the Halo 3 screenshot is dark as all hell, you're reaching.Trasher said:http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh252/TJTrasher/Reach-m10_1stperson.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh252/TJTrasher/H3_E307_FP01.jpg
I would compare multiplayer screenshots, but there aren't any good quality ones up that I can find. Only screencaps from the trailer which look like complete crap.
And you are right. It's definitely a noticeable difference. In fact I'd call it a 10% noticeable difference!
Skiesofwonder
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miladesn said:
Heroic.
Are you bull-shitting or telling the truth? Because if I continue and the Ark and Covenant levels are not to my liking.... I will be blaming you.
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Skiesofwonder said:
Yeah I find that a bit strange I admit. I loved the SP of Halo 3 more than any other shooter so far this gen. It doesn't try to do too much, keeps to the story in a tight manner, but still gives the OPTION for us Halotards to delve deeper through items like the Terminals.
The Scarab battle is amazing.
And it has a much better than ending than 2.
Also if ANYONE from Bungie reads this:
Can you guys please not base so many achievements on Ranked matches. They're by FAR the most annoying achievements in Halo 3.
Gears of War 2 actually made it perfect by having Kill Types, Kill Count achievements and such in ANY mode, which is how it should be.
Actually, I hate MP only achievements all together, as they basically rape people who aren't online for a chance to 'complete' the game, but I can understand why they're there. Just don't force ranked matches onto us.
Seems like they didn't know what the max play limit of Halo 3 was going to be when they were initially designing the map. They thought it could be larger but had to reduce its size once they knew they'd keep it at 16 players. With Reach they've already said the max size will be increased so it might open up the possibility maps like this.GhaleonEB said:
I think they could achieve the same thing if they did what Bad Company's Rush mode does and lock down parts of a larger map until the attackers complete the given objectives and then they proceed to the next section. So, like the postmortem mentioned, you could have an objective on Zanzibar and once the attackers blew up the generators or planted the bomb, it would then push the game right into the next area. Each proceeding area will be harder to attack and the round's score would be based on how far your team got. You'd still get these unprecedentedly large levels without needing huge player sizes to occupy them. You could even have the same setup with 4v4 using sequences of High Ground sized maps. Each of these areas could be sectioned off for traditional slayer matches as well.
The MP trailer showed what could have been either 3-4 unique maps but maybe some of them were connected in a way I mentioned above. With the map that looked like the campaign footage area leading to the hydrolic plant leading to the smelter.
If you need a good story to compel you to play the SP portion of the game you can just stop right there. I find the gameplay and AI to be worlds better than that of CoD which reduces down to a glorified shooting gallery and that's why I play the campaign. Play up to "The Covenant" and just switch to MP after beating that level.Skiesofwonder said:
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SpacLock said:
So true.
While I personally really liked how Halo 3 looked, Reach blows it away pretty comfortably.
I was showing a mate of mine the MP trailer, and I paused it on that Rocket Launcher/Generator bit, and the way that screen looked almost borderline looked like Killzone 2 with all the blur and shit the shot had. Hilarious.
It's ok, I'm well aware this won't look anywhere near Killzone 2. I'm just saying at THAT point, where I paused it, it almost did thanks to the blur and stuff
I really enjoyed the Halo 3 SP. Aside from one level of course. It is also infinitely more replayable than any of the COD or Gears series, simply because of the interesting A.I. Of course, Legendary SP is the only way to go. Anything that isn't a challenge is pretty boring.
I don't play Halo 3 for the story anymore though, which I agree, is a bit rubbish.
A couple of clips with the plasma grenades (from ViDoc 1) stand out for me as Reach's most impressive graphical moments so far.
I don't play Halo 3 for the story anymore though, which I agree, is a bit rubbish.
2 Minutes Turkish said:
A couple of clips with the plasma grenades (from ViDoc 1) stand out for me as Reach's most impressive graphical moments so far.
No shit. But each screenshot is from Bungie's site. I could have easily found random screenshots with Google image and had an even more uneven comparison, but I wanted to use the same source for each shot. If you have a better comparison then please, show me. It's all pretty much pointless anyway based off of Eazy's post, and the fact that we don't even know what the game's final build will even look like at this point. You all are a bit defensive it's kinda funny. I understand it's all alpha footage, but you all seem to know what this game is going to look like when it's done and finished. The point is we don't yet. I'm just saying that I don't understand all this graphical hype from the shots that have been shown to us so far. It looks better, yes. But not by that much. Either way, I don't care in the end. Some of you seem to though, and that's fine if you are wow'ed by that stuff.SpacLock said:
The video analysis from the TTL guy (the one that sucked because they are our mortal enemy) pointed out that in the Invasion gametype there were some closed doors colored red. They could be tied to the generators: for each generator destroyed, a door to the next area opens. The more you destroy, the more porous the barrier to the inner sanctum becomes.EazyB said:
People will always complain, and Bungie's continued emphasis on scale and actual simulation over scripting will ensure those complaints continue. But I do think that doubling player/enemy counts, expanding the level size and still dramatically improving lighting and model details while also improving the visual fidelity is no small feat.Trasher said:
Though the game featuring stuff like this will make the bitching a bit more comical:
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N/m, I was re-watching the trailer and thought I had seen Kat's arm, when I hadn't. Darn it. End confusion.Trasher said:
Steve Ballmer talked last week about Natal's release and possibly different Xbox 360 form factors. Could there be a Holiday Halo Reach Slim Xbox 360 with Natal and Arcade pack bundle for the holidays? :lol *Cha ching!*
Haha, alright. I think I know where you were going with that. Perhaps we can customize our Spartans with prosthetic legs and arms!Major Williams said:
Ugh, Natal... I will probably never get one of those haha. I like my controllers thank you very much.
That does look glorious. I want to see it on my bigass TV though.GhaleonEB said:Though the game featuring stuff like this will make the bitching a bit more comical:
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Trasher said:http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh252/TJTrasher/Reach-m10_1stperson.jpg[IMG]
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I would compare multiplayer screenshots, but there aren't any good quality ones up that I can find. Only screencaps from the trailer which look like complete crap.
And you are right. It's definitely a noticeable difference. In fact I'd call it a 10% noticeable difference! :p[/QUOTE]
Let's blow those babies up, shell we?
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Despite the obvious bullshottery in both cases, the differences are quite pronounced (and one of those games is in its pre-alpha state). Look at the rocks, for instance.
Granted, there doesn't seem to be that much of a difference in the multiplayer footage we've been shown so far.
Us non-fat asses have been dying to play Halo with our muscles though.Trasher said:Haha, alright. I think I know where you were going with that. Perhaps we can customize our Spartans with prosthetic legs and arms!
Ugh, Natal... I will probably never get one of those haha. I like my controllers thank you very much.
Yeah I wanted to show screen comparisons of multiplayer, but there just aren't any out there yet for Reach to do it any justice (perhaps Urk will give us some this Friday?REMEMBER CITADEL said:
). A lot of the shots in the MP trailer are the ones I wanted to point out. Especially in the well lit areas.Yeah, cause you need lots of muscle to wave your hands through the air!EazyB said:
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
I'll up the difficulty and give single-player campaign another try. Thanks Gaffers!