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Halo Reach Reveal Thread - Matchmaking/Multiplayer Details Revealed

Justinian

Member
Kenak said:
Since when does Killzone 2 have mediocre textures?

It does not. I kinda get what he is saying though. Maybe MW2 would have been a better example? A game with no sandbox features, physics modeling or anything that amounts to substance. Everything was just window dressing and flash.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Surface looks great, but there's absolutely no interaction between the character and the water. Halo 3's water had actual physics to it, flowing around and over objects and leaving wakes behind what passed through it. That's what always impressed me about it, and seeing videos of static, scripted water just makes it that much more impressive over time.
Yep. Halo 3's water is still one of the best on consoles. I took a look at that GoW III video and wasn't all that impressed.
 

feel

Member
Kibbles said:
Apparently Bungie filed a new trademark for Marathon.

http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=77953184

I'm on my iPod right now, but it was on n4g.
A new Marathon seems about right. Are people really expecting Bungie to develop a totally different game and throw away everything they've learned and perfected the past 10 years?? And they want the sales the Halo fanbase will provide, not gonna happen if they do a singleplayer rpg or something, so it's understandable they will stick to the same genre. I'm all for a new fps from Bungie that kinda feels like a major sequel to the Halo franchise (specially when it comes to online MP), yet it's in a different universe.

Of course, a new Halo-like game on a totally new IP would be the best.
 

wwm0nkey

Member
Kibbles said:
Apparently Bungie filed a new trademark for Marathon.

http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=77953184

I'm on my iPod right now, but it was on n4g.
A Marathon reboot would be the most amazing thing ever, great series and Infinity was my favorite one. Also correct me if I'm mistaken, but doesn't 1(a) status mean they will 100% use it and a 1(b) mean they might or something like that? I'm asking this because this is filled under 1(a) so they might already be working on it.
 

NJ Shlice

Member
Balls.jpg


Whatevers about to happen looks painful, and CJ looks terrified.
 

Magni

Member
I'd love to see a Marathon reboot. I played the first one a bit on Aleph One, and the second on XBLA, but nowhere near as much as I've played Halo.

We were talking about the rivalry between Dubna and Berkeley during the "Transfermium Wars" in chemistry class, and it got me thinking about Ununspetium, also known as Element 117, the only element yet to be discovered in the classic periodic table.

Just thought it'd be cool if it were named Spartanium or something like that once it's discovered :D
 

zumphry

Banned
Letters said:
A new Marathon seems about right. Are people really expecting Bungie to develop a totally different game and throw away everything they've learned and perfected the past 10 years?? And they want the sales the Halo fanbase will provide, not gonna happen if they do a singleplayer rpg or something, so it's understandable they will stick to the same genre. I'm all for a new fps from Bungie that kinda feels like a major sequel to the Halo franchise (specially when it comes to online MP), yet it's in a different universe.

Of course, a new Halo-like game on a totally new IP would be the best.

Yep.

I honestly expected Bungie to have a new IP FPS that used what they learned/did from Halo, but setting the tone to be a darker one like Marathon/Oni.

EDIT: Though, if it is going to be Marathon, I really hope they keep the animations for assassinations from Reach, just so I can hopefully grab onto the back of a Drinol/Hulk and pound it until it's dead.
 
Yeah who knows what renewing the Marathon name means. Personally I expect them to do a new IP altogether after Reach. Then maybe something Marathon related if it really happens.
 

Kapura

Banned
Bungie has owned the marathon IP for years now, perhaps they are just planning to re-issue a console Marathon collection, or maybe just re-issue the Marathon trilogy as a stand-alone product. We've been told several times that the next big thing is a brand new IP, so I don't think it has anything to do with marathon.
 

GhaleonEB

Member
EazyB said:
I've always preferred nice reflections in water to heavily physics-driven flow. It's hard for me to appreciate stuff like water flowing around a a vehicle on Valhalla especially when I'm actually playing the game. Reflections are very blatant and play a much bigger aesthetic role during actual gameplay.
I could not disagree more, but it's just personal preference. I'm utterly unimpressed by pretty, non-interactive water. I've seen it many times, and it is convincing until the moment something comes into contact with it, after which it becomes comically fake (as in that GoW video). Seeing a big splash and wake left behind after plowing through the river on Valhalla is pretty cool, as is the distortion in the water as it flows over bodies/weapons/vehicles.

It's a typical Bungie approach to do more than is needed; they could probably get a better visual result by dropping the physics and making the surface look perfect. But they want their water to not just look like water, but behave like it. That's my preference as well. Hell, during the Beta and later in custom games I remember being in games where people were just parking stuff in the water and watching it flow around them. It's that kind of attention to detail that I get such a kick out of in the Halo games, from the physics to the AI. It's a short cut they could take, but don't.
dilatedmuscle said:
I would rather have physics driven water. One thing that has always impressed me about Halo is that its been substance over smoke and mirrors. I still think Halo 3 has the best graphics on 360 minus the image quality. I would rather see the hundreds of tiny scratches on the spartan armor while zooming in on the character then have Killzone 2 characters that look great from afar but have mediocre textures (same goes for environment textures).

The problem with this generation is that its hard to combine substance with smoke and mirrors with current consoles. Few games have done it well; Uncharted 2 and Crysis 2, which is on pc, (Alan Wake?)are the only ones who do this well to a great extent. Seems like Halo reach may combine both in some ways. They said the textures and Polygons will be much better in reach then in Halo 3 and in some instances (destroythegenerator.gif) it shows off some fancy shmancy post processing that was not in halo 3 to any great noticeable level.
In other words, this, this and this. It's a big part of what sets Bungie apart from the crowd, IMO.
 
When I played Marathon as I kid, I used to to find it really scary. So if Bungie were to make a new Marathon, here's hoping that it'd be more survival horror-y than Halo.
 
Halo lockin was fantastic. 16 players does not break Hallway. We started around 8pm and finished keeping score at 7:07.07am :p 16 players, 4 teams, MLG Pit, for 45 minutes with no sleep was made of awesome. 1354 kills ;)
 
On the subject of Bungie's next game after Reach, I'm hoping for a FPS as well. Nobody does online MP better than Bungie so seeing them do something completely new would be awesome.
 

wwm0nkey

Member
Kapura said:
Bungie has owned the marathon IP for years now, perhaps they are just planning to re-issue a console Marathon collection, or maybe just re-issue the Marathon trilogy as a stand-alone product. We've been told several times that the next big thing is a brand new IP, so I don't think it has anything to do with marathon.
Well either way its a class 1(a) so we are going to see something Marathon related from Bungie in the future.
 
NJ Shlice said:
Can someone tell me the exact dates of the Halo 3 beta? Or the exact length it was active.

May 16th to June 10th (including the 4 day extension due to the messy launch).

Not sure what to do with this 16-player 45 minute 86mb MLG Pit match...
 
NJ Shlice said:
Can someone tell me the exact dates of the Halo 3 beta? Or the exact length it was active.
Stolen From Wu
Friends & Family program went live May 11, 2007
Beta officially opened May 16, 2007 - Crackdown bug caused major problems
Vast majority of Crackdown owners got access May 17, 2007

Beta official end date: June 6, 2007
Because of the Crackdown issues, this was extended to June 10, 2007
Last Custom game ended on LIVE (Bungie boots players): June 14, 2007

So: if you got your access via Crackdown, you were SUPPOSED to have 3 weeks (21 days). At worst, you got 24 days because of the extension. If you were part of the F&F program and you managed to hang out in a custom game until you were booted, you got 32 days.
 

Schmitty

Member
Devin Olsen said:
Stolen From Wu
Friends & Family program went live May 11, 2007
Beta officially opened May 16, 2007 - Crackdown bug caused major problems
Vast majority of Crackdown owners got access May 17, 2007

Beta official end date: June 6, 2007
Because of the Crackdown issues, this was extended to June 10, 2007
Last Custom game ended on LIVE (Bungie boots players): June 14, 2007

So: if you got your access via Crackdown, you were SUPPOSED to have 3 weeks (21 days). At worst, you got 24 days because of the extension. If you were part of the F&F program and you managed to hang out in a custom game until you were booted, you got 32 days.

Damn, I remember how excited I was to get in the F&F for the Halo 3 beta. After getting that message from Disembodied Soul, I got on Live immediately and started playing. I think I had at least 30 messages from friends after 2 games :lol
 

vhfive

Member
Blueblur1 said:
I hope Bungie's next game isn't an FPS. Something different, please.
This.
Would like to see Bungie tackle something different. That would leave a hole for a Halo type fps in the market (because everyone seems to be copying the cod style) that hopefully 343 can fill.
 

Lazslo

Member
vhfive said:
This.
Would like to see Bungie tackle something different. That would leave a hole for a Halo type fps in the market (because everyone seems to be copying the cod style) that hopefully 343 can fill.
Yeah, I would love to see Bungie make a game like Borderlands. Some RPG with looting components mixed with a great fucking story but also keeping their amazing track record in terms of gameplay. Any type of open world experience developed Bungie would be phenomenal. In a perfect world there would be a game that had elements of Borderlands mixed with some FarCry2 aspects blended with Bungie's ability to create a vast, immersive universe grounded in deep ficton. I can dream can't I?

Sai-kun said:
:lol :lol :lol This is the greatest post.
Thanks man, did you ever see the 30 rock when Tracy goes: "What am I in Horseville, cause I'm surrounded by Nay-sayer, WORD PLAY!" I still get a kick out of that line, that mad is comedy gold.
 

NOKYARD

Member
Schmitty said:
Damn, I remember how excited I was to get in the F&F for the Halo 3 beta. After getting that message from Disembodied Soul, I got on Live immediately and started playing. I think I had at least 30 messages from friends after 2 games :lol
I ended up with three F&F invites. One from Crackdown, one from the HBO email contest, and one from a secret admirer (someone just sent me one, i can't for the life of me remember who it was, but THANK YOU!!! whoever you are).

I gave one to my kids and held a contest at HIH for the last one. I posted "Who want's a F&F invite?" in a HIH thread. It took a while, but the first person who said "Please" was the winner. :lol
 

SpacLock

Member
I was invited early by Frankie last time. I wish he still posted here so I could bother him for a Halo Reach F&F when it's available.
 
NOKYARD said:
I ended up with three F&F invites. One from Crackdown, one from the HBO email contest, and one from a secret admirer (someone just sent me one, i can't for the life of me remember who it was, but THANK YOU!!! whoever you are).

I gave one to my kids and held a contest at HIH for the last one. I posted "Who want's a F&F invite?" in a HIH thread. It took a while, but the first person who said "Please" was the winner. :lol
Crackdown didn't include a F&F invite, did it?

From what I can remember Crackdown just had the public beta on it.. Though perhaps I am incorrect.
 

Roche

Member
Since we're on the subject of the Halo 3 F&F, what qualified a person to be invited to the F&F beta? I know obviously being friends and family of Bungie employees, what I'm wondering is did they give them out like they did with the first round of mythic maps? (Community leaders, contests and the like)

Devin Olsen said:
Crackdown didn't include a F&F invite, did it?

From what I can remember Crackdown just had the public beta on it.. Though perhaps I am incorrect.

Crackdown only included the public beta, you're correct.
 
Don't hurt me, but I think Frankie did a much better job describing Halo 3's water than urk did describing Reach's water.

:D

Not saying you didn't do a good job, urk. It just didn't make me thirsty for water.
 

big ander

Member
-Yeti said:
Don't hurt me, but I think Frankie did a much better job describing Halo 3's water than urk did describing Reach's water.

:D

Not saying you didn't do a good job, urk. It just didn't make me thirsty for water.
But it made you thirsty for Reach, correct?
Because that's what really matters.
 

NOKYARD

Member
Devin Olsen said:
Crackdown didn't include a F&F invite, did it?

From what I can remember Crackdown just had the public beta on it.. Though perhaps I am incorrect.
You are correct.

I just asked my kids, they gave their Crackdown disk to a friend when i gave them the F&F code. Now i have to try to remember where i got 2 invites.

[edit] one was random from HBO (Miguel Chavez), another from the HBO contest, one more to go...
 

Skilotonn

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SpacLock said:
I was invited early by Frankie last time. I wish he still posted here so I could bother him for a Halo Reach F&F when it's available.

Yup, so did I - so awesome, he was The Man for life for hooking me up like that.

But don't worry, he's still here - in fact, he's probably watching this right now.
 

Sai-kun

Banned
Skilotonn said:
Yup, so did I - so awesome, he was The Man for life for hooking me up like that.

But don't worry, he's still here - in fact, he's probably watching this right now.

like uh...like some kind of outer world voice?
 

EazyB

Banned
Kenak said:
To support this stance, I wanna link to this video from Far Cry Instincts. This was a port of a 2004 PC title to the original Xbox. Keeping that in mind, look at how good the water looks! I just find it weird that most console games skimp out on real water reflections and in Bungie's case push for what's probably just as taxing with their water physics.


Also note how this 2005 port managed to pull off a decent level editor, and that was Ubisoft's first go at it. Bungie gets a pass for 3's Forge, but there's absolutely no excuse for no having something exponentially better in Reach.
 
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