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Halo Reach Reveal Thread - Matchmaking/Multiplayer Details Revealed

Dax01 said:
I wasn't judging anyone on his or her armor. The Spartan IIIs are not better than a Spartan IIs. From my impression of reading the books, the Spartan IIs are faster, stronger, and can better handle themselves under combat. Spartan IIIs are, essentially, cheaper versions of the Spartan IIs.
This.
 
Dax01 said:
I wasn't judging anyone on his or her armor. The Spartan IIIs are not better than a Spartan IIs. From my impression of reading the books, the Spartan IIs are faster, stronger, and can better handle themselves under combat.

I thought because of scientific advancements and the perfection of the process that it yielded more successes and better results too.
I was under the impression that they were superior but weren't as successful in combat because they didn't get the same TLC as S-II's. See, now you've gone and convinced me that LWG is a sucker compared to the rest of the squad. :(
 

imtehman

Banned
i'm going to agrree that there is no way taht this "in-engine" trailer will be indicative of what the gameplay will be.

There's no way that they'll have the scale that Halo is known for, with 5-6 spartans running around shooting a dozen elites and still keep the graphics fidelity that we saw in teh trailer.

If they somehow are able to pull it off, i'll be the first one to happily eat that crow.

Prove me wrong bungie
 

-PXG-

Member
Neuromancer said:
But, III is more than II.

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Trasher

Member
DiabolicalBagel said:
I thought because of scientific advancements and the perfection of the process that it yielded more successes and better results too.
I was under the impression that they were superior but weren't as successful in combat because they didn't get the same TLC as S-II's. See, now you've gone and convinced me that LWG is a sucker compared to the rest of the squad. :(
The scientific advances just meant there was a higher survival rate after the augmentation process. So instead of 44% of the Spartans suriving the process, they were able to have nearly 100% survival rate with the Spartan III's. But this doesn't mean they were stronger or anything. They just figured out the process so that there would be no deaths.

And one of the main reasons that II's are better than III's is because of their armor. Mjolnir >>>> SPI. I also believe they were less strict on who they chose for the Spartan III program.
 
DiabolicalBagel said:
I thought because of scientific advancements and the perfection of the process that it yielded more successes and better results too.
The whole reason why the ONI/UNSC was able to get far better results (in terms of survival rate, mainly), and get a greater pool of eligible candidates, was, among other things, because the standards had been lowered. They were no longer looking for those few that could yield the best possible results, but those that would yield "pretty good" results.
See, now you've gone and convinced me that LWG is a sucker compared to the rest of the squad. :(
He's not a sucker, just not as good. Subtle changes like jump height and the like will probably emerge during gameplay.
 

Trasher

Member
By the way, since the Spartan III's were to be inferior to Spartan II's, they were still supposedly just as effective because they would rely on stealth and team tactics. Lots of night missions incoming???
 
Trasher said:
By the way, since the Spartan III's were to be inferior to Spartan II's, they were still supposedly just as effective because they would rely on stealth and team tactics. Lots of night missions incoming???
We don't even know if there are any SPARTAN-IIIs in Reach. That blog article is assumed to have a typo.
 
Trasher said:
By the way, since the Spartan III's were to be inferior to Spartan II's, they were still supposedly just as effective because they would rely on stealth and team tactics. Lots of night missions incoming???
Doubt it. Again, judging from the leaked picture, the player has a shield, so it's likely that LWG gets outfitted with some form of Mjolnir armor. The SPI armor the Spartan IIIs wear don't have shields.
 
Has everything to come out under the Halo name been considered canon to this point? I noticed in "The Package" that Dr Halsey looked about 30 years too young...
 

szaromir

Banned
Trasher said:
By the way, since the Spartan III's were to be inferior to Spartan II's, they were still supposedly just as effective because they would rely on stealth and team tactics. Lots of night missions incoming???
Nah, teamwork among Spartan-IIs was just as good. In essence, S-II were superior in many many ways, with better equipment and better genetic material. Still, Spartan-IIIs was a much cheaper project and could be used in massive scale, and the soldiers were still far better than elite ODSTs.
Has everything to come out under the Halo name been considered canon to this point? I noticed in "The Package" that Dr Halsey looked about 30 years too young...
"The package" was a total joke. Terrible writing, terrible action, Halsey who looked like 18 years old pop singer. Although the parts with HUD bring back some memories of Truth & Reconciliation, my favorite level in all video games.
 

Trasher

Member
Dax01 said:
Doubt it. Again, judging from the leaked picture, the player has a shield, so it's likely that LWG gets outfitted with some form of Mjolnir armor. The SPI armor the Spartan IIIs wear don't have shields.
Did I miss something? I thought there was a game description mentioning that we play as a Spartan III. How could that be a typo?
 

StUnNeR H2K

Member
Blast Processing said:
Has everything to come out under the Halo name been considered canon to this point? I noticed in "The Package" that Dr Halsey looked about 30 years too young...

Did Sgt. Johnson look like a 80 year old man? Aging is different in 26th century... I'm sure life expectancy is longer too.
 
Trasher said:
Did I miss something? I thought there was a game description mentioning that we play as a Spartan III. How could that be a typo?
I was assuming that LWG is a Spartan III, and that he, unlike other SIIIs, gets equipped with some form of Mjolnir armor.

Though...

I still think LWG is a SIII, given what Jorge said.
 

StUnNeR H2K

Member
U K Narayan said:
We don't even know if there are any SPARTAN-IIIs in Reach. That blog article is assumed to have a typo.

I'll believe when it comes from the horses mouth... Until now I assume they are all S-II's. Carter-259, Kat-320 and ???-052 are for sure S-II's, but the rest... look like S-II's, but without a service tag or word from Bungie I'll continue to assume they are S-II's.
 

Chorazin

Member
Blast Processing said:
Has everything to come out under the Halo name been considered canon to this point? I noticed in "The Package" that Dr Halsey looked about 30 years too young...

Remember, cryosleep and a general better level of health care has made 60-70 the new 30 in the Halo universe.

The only non-canon episode in Legends is the one about Spartan-1337, that one's a parody. I forget the name right now. :(

StUnNeR H2K said:
Did Sgt. Johnson look like a 80 year old man? Aging is different in 26th century... I'm sure life expectancy is longer too.

And I'm sure
being a Spartan-I helps a lot in his case too!
 

Trasher

Member
So this isn't true? People made all of this up?
The Spartan-III's were designed to be better trained, cheaper, and expendable. They would be trained in companies of 300 to 330 at a time, and then sent on suicide missions that the UNSC could not accomplish even with the elite ODSTs. Though the casualty rates of the S-III's stood at 100 percent on some missions, to ONI, all the operations were successes. They were trading lives for time against the larger and technologically superior Covenant Empire. ONI hoped that in time, enough Spartans would survive to train more and more future Spartans, swelling the ranks of available super soldiers from only thirty Spartan-II's in 2531 to a hundred thousand S-III's within ten to twenty years.

By the way...why is that believed to be a typo? Why would they even mention the type of Spartan if it's just a regular old Spartan II like the other games? Makes no sense. They never say "Spartan II" in any other Halo game. Just seems very illogical.
 
Trasher said:
So this isn't true? People made all of this up?


By the way...why is that believed to be a typo? Why would they even mention the type of Spartan if it's just a regular old Spartan II like the other games? Makes no sense. They never say "Spartan II" in any other Halo game. Just seems very illogical.
...What are you talking about? That section is taken from the books.

This is the typo people are talking about - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18900012&postcount=3240
 
StUnNeR H2K said:
Did Sgt. Johnson look like a 80 year old man? Aging is different in 26th century... I'm sure life expectancy is longer too.

In "First Strike," Dr. Halsey is described as wearing a bifocals, a skirt, and lab coat, and having her gray hair done up in a bun, not as a nubile blonde in a wetsuit.

Dax - who is that chick in your avatar and why is she so popular on GAF?
 

Gilgamesh

Member
Dax01 said:
I still think LWG is a SIII, given what Jorge said.
I agree. I don't really see how there's any other way to interpret that.

But maybe my judgment is clouded because I just want to see some Spartan-IIIs. I really like them for some reason.
 
StUnNeR H2K said:
I'll believe when it comes from the horses mouth... Until now I assume they are all S-II's. Carter-259, Kat-320 and ???-052 are for sure S-II's, but the rest... look like S-II's, but without a service tag or word from Bungie I'll continue to assume they are S-II's.

Even with just settling with your gut it still urks inside. Any Spartan that has a designation number over 150 would not be a S-II. That's based on current knowledge of course.
 

StUnNeR H2K

Member
Revelations said:
Even with just settling with your gut it still urks inside. Any Spartan that has a designation number over 150 would not be a S-II. That's based on current knowledge of course.

Anything without a letter in front of the number isn't a S-III. A second class of Spartan-IIs could have been trained, which would explain the higher numbers, and it was originally planned for a second class of Spartan-IIs to be trained it was just delayed. If a second class was trained the numbers would have continued up from 151 and above...

Only time will tell...
 

Trasher

Member
Dax01 said:
...What are you talking about? That section is taken from the books.

This is the typo people are talking about - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18900012&postcount=3240
I was replying to this.

szaromir said:
Nah, teamwork among Spartan-IIs was just as good. In essence, S-II were superior in many many ways, with better equipment and better genetic material. Still, Spartan-IIIs was a much cheaper project and could be used in massive scale, and the soldiers were still far better than elite ODSTs.
 
In Halo Evolutions the talk about how the Spartan III have access to the newest tech, stuff that even the spartan II's dont have, so maybe that is how they will level the field between LWG and the rest of the squad in Reach.
 
Trasher said:
By the way...why is that believed to be a typo? Why would they even mention the type of Spartan if it's just a regular old Spartan II like the other games? Makes no sense. They never say "Spartan II" in any other Halo game. Just seems very illogical.
That's actually a good point. I guess we will be Spartan IIIs.

Blast Processing said:
Dax - who is that chick in your avatar and why is she so popular on GAF?
It's from Community, and GAF has a near unhealthy fixation with her (understandably).
 

StUnNeR H2K

Member
yankeehater said:
In Halo Evolutions the talk about how the Spartan III have access to the newest tech, stuff that even the spartan II's dont have, so maybe that is how they will level the field between LWG and the rest of the squad in Reach.

Heck... the ODST's visors/helmets were superior to Master Chiefs... I want so more VISR!!
 

Trasher

Member
Dax01 said:
I'm sorry, but apparently I'm missing something. How is what you quoted in that post contradict what you quoted in your previous post?
Because he replied to this post of mine...

By the way, since the Spartan III's were to be inferior to Spartan II's, they were still supposedly just as effective because they would rely on stealth and team tactics. Lots of night missions incoming???

I was trying to discuss the difference between Spartan II's and III's before it was derailed by this typo thing.
 

Chorazin

Member
szaromir said:
It's fan speculation I think. Overall it seems weird to me, Johson was always very proud to be a regular marine.
He was a lot more normal than Spartan-II's or III's, that's for sure! From: http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Sgt._Johnson#Operation:_TREBUCHET

Early Career in UNSC Marine Corps and NavSpecWar
Main article: NavSpecWar
Johnson enlisted in the UNSC Marine Corps when he was nineteen and was soon thrown into the Insurrection.[6] His name was dubiously associated with dozens of black operations and programs, including assignment to the highly classified unit called ORION Project, which performed "enhancement" procedures on volunteer soldiers, who would later be referred to as SPARTAN-Is. Johnson was also known to have participated on missions codenamed TANGLEWOOD and KALEIDOSCOPE.[7]
 
Trasher said:
Because he replied to this post of mine...

I was trying to discuss the difference between Spartan II's and III's before it was derailed by this typo thing.
Ah, but it still looks like I need to take a break from reading GAF for awhile today. But, just to reiterate, in response to what you said about a lot of night missions, the LWG looks like he has a variation of Mjolnir armor (based on the leak screenshots), not the SPI armor the SIIIs have in the books.
 

Falagard

Member
I'm not completely up on Halo lore, but humor me for a minute.

Let's assume for a minute that Lone Wolf is a Spartan III. (Again, humor me).

If Lone Wolf is a Spartan III wearing a Mjolnir armor variant that appears to be similar to what Spartan II soldiers wear, what makes everyone so sure the rest of Noble team are Spartan II soldiers? They're wearing Mjolnir, but if Lone Wolf is a Spartan III and can wear Mjolnir, why can't the rest of them also be Spartan IIIs?

I was under the impression that Spartan IIs only had numbers up to 150, and yet Kat and Carter are 320 and 259, which furthers the speculation that they're not Spartan IIs.

In fact, Jorge who is number 052 and therefore more likely a Spartan II is much larger than the rest of Noble team. Relatively speaking, the rest of Noble team seem smaller, which makes it more likely they're Spartan IIIs as well.

So what's up with that?

Not to derail too much, but as someone else mentioned, I highly doubt that the press release would have a typo that would say "Spartan III" when it should have said "Spartan II" because they haven't ever mentioned Spartan version numbers in past press releases. Essentially they would just say "Spartan" and leave it at that.
 

Louis Wu

Member
Major Williams said:
Interesting about the official press release blunder about the mix up between whether or not its a S2 or S3 main character. Thought it was news-worthy so I posted it as a news story on GRU.
The TXB post was edited after the fact (the original version they put up said 'III') - someone decided it must have been an Edelman typo and changed it to 'II'. Given that urk has chosen NOT to provide a 'yes/no' answer to the question, I think the situation might be more complicated than some fans (and game websites) are making it out to be.
 

Exypher

Member
Falagard said:
I'm not completely up on Halo lore, but humor me for a minute.

Let's assume for a minute that Lone Wolf is a Spartan III. (Again, humor me).

If Lone Wolf is a Spartan III wearing a Mjolnir armor variant that appears to be similar to what Spartan II soldiers wear, what makes everyone so sure the rest of Noble team are Spartan II soldiers? They're wearing Mjolnir, but if Lone Wolf is a Spartan III and can wear Mjolnir, why can't the rest of them also be Spartan IIIs?

I was under the impression that Spartan IIs only had numbers up to 150, and yet Kat and Carter are 320 and 259, which furthers the speculation that they're not Spartan IIs.

In fact, Jorge who is number 052 and therefore more likely a Spartan II is much larger than the rest of Noble team. Relatively speaking, the rest of Noble team seem smaller, which makes it more likely they're Spartan IIIs as well.

So what's up with that?

I think people are assuming this based on the fact that Spartan IIIs have the letter of their company in front of their number (A for Alpha, B for Beta or G for Gamma).
 
Falagard said:
I'm not completely up on Halo lore, but humor me for a minute.

Let's assume for a minute that Lone Wolf is a Spartan III. (Again, humor me).

If Lone Wolf is a Spartan III wearing a Mjolnir armor variant that appears to be similar to what Spartan II soldiers wear, what makes everyone so sure the rest of Noble team are Spartan II soldiers? They're wearing Mjolnir, but if Lone Wolf is a Spartan III and can wear Mjolnir, why can't the rest of them also be Spartan IIIs?

I was under the impression that Spartan IIs only had numbers up to 150, and yet Kat and Carter are 320 and 259, which furthers the speculation that they're not Spartan IIs.

In fact, Jorge who is number 052 and therefore more likely a Spartan II is much larger than the rest of Noble team. Relatively speaking, the rest of Noble team seem smaller, which makes it more likely they're Spartan IIIs as well.

So what's up with that?

Not to derail too much, but as someone else mentioned, I highly doubt that the press release would have a typo that would say "Spartan III" when it should have said "Spartan II" because they haven't ever mentioned Spartan version numbers in past press releases. Essentially they would just say "Spartan" and leave it at that.

These are pretty much my exact thoughts. It is possible that this team of Spartan IIIs have been outfitted with Mjolnir for some reason, who knows.
 
Captain Blood said:
These are pretty much my exact thoughts. It is possible that this team of Spartan IIIs have been outfitted with Mjolnir for some reason, who knows.
I'm not that in tune with the Halo canon outside of the games but I agree. Perhaps they are doing this so the inevitable Halo 3 sequel(s) will be able to introduce new characters who do wear Mjolnir armor.
 
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