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Halo Reach Reveal Thread - Matchmaking/Multiplayer Details Revealed
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godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
I know. Actually, I played MP using Aleph One.U K Narayan said:
The Marathon fanbase is more obsessed than any other fanbase. However, it has a lot to do with how cryptic Bungie is. The sad thing is that I don't think Bungie ever answered all the questions regarding Marathon, and they will not answer all the questions ragarding Halo, however, we have 343 for that.WrikaWrek said:
The Librarian
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Your avatar needs updatin'.Shishka said:
CreateNowSleepLater
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Bet the matchmaking will be shit just like Halo 3.
"runs"
"runs"
I can't see how they could deliver a MM service I'd enjoy while catering to the monster that is the Halo fanbase Bungie's created. All these people want to do is simultaneously beatdown one another and avoid any sort of objective gametype that isn't called grifball. If they change up the MP component enough (choosing certain starting weapons?) or piss off the majority of CQC-only loving morons by starting everyone with a weapon you actually have to aim and has some range, then they're one step closer to delivering the MM service I want to see.jhferry said:
They'll still have to decide if they want things like flag returns to have ridiculously long respawn times or force these morons to rely on team coordination to score flags.
Seeing the BR on LWG's back has me optimistic that something has fundamentally changed regarding Bungie's gameplay philosophy.
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but I am a sheep
EazyB said:
I completely agree with this post.
Slightly Live
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advent29 said:
Bungie. =)
riceandbeans
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Jonsoncao said:
That's bad PR right there. Way to be a killjoy.
Yep, that's what I was asking about, thanks. I really miss the variety of maps in playlists and actual use of Hill and Oddball.Striker said:
Halo 2 Team Skirmish = 17 game types on 19 maps.
Halo 3 Social Skirmish = 8 on 12 maps (9 before mythic disc).
professor_t
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Why For? said:
Yes. As a prospective paying customer, I demand an explanation.
Vast Inspiration said:
Well, in generally I believe he means that we are still almost a year away from release, and despite the fact that the opening != trailer as you're saying, I think he's also implying that certain things might change in that timespan. There's still a lot of polish to do, obviously, and they're going to make good use of the next year for sure.
Also, something like the music will obviously also be vastly different in the actual opening cinematic. It's obvious that they've picked out some parts of the opening, stitched it together for a trailer and put on custom-fit music, logos etc.
So I met a future HaloGAF member on JTV just today. He saw my name in some chat and immediately knew I was from HaloGAF. He's a hardcore lurker waiting to get approved. He seems like a cool dude, he prefers the BR and says things like "Tashi > dax" No lie. Looking forward to future MLG fans in HaloGAF when he gets approved, whenever that may be lol. Keep an eye out for kSeven.
I said I'd give him a shout out
Slightly Live
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Exypher said:
They nerfed the Carbine. Nerfed the Trip Mine. And did loads of tweaks.
Zeouterlimits
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Oh Super Carbine, your life was cut tragically short by the cruel wizards at Bungie Manor!Dani said:
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
lol, I fucking loved that Carbine.Dani said:
GodfatherX
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gibonez said:
unfortunately I have to agree...i left Halo 3 MP a long time ago, tried to get back into it with ODST and the new maps but I just couldn't stand the feel of it
I'm really hoping they evolve the mp, otherwise I'll be in Reach for the campaign
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
They will add a deeper progression system I guess. I actually would like them to add something that rewarded more strategy over raw 1 on 1 shooting dodging skill. I know that the current MP actually rewards team strategy, but you only see these differences when you are a good player. I believe that casual players like me should be able to see the consequences of strategic decisions more often. All I do in MP is run around killing people, there is very little strategy involved in the way I play, however, I do it because it works, but it gets a tad boring sometimes.gibonez said:
Karma Kramer
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This trailer is promising. I hope we see some gameplay soon. Please give me the sense of exploration/space that Halo CE had... thats is what is missing in 2 and 3 imo...
If your strategy of having no strategy works then you'd be winning, level up, and be considered a "good player." The only missing decisions in Halo MP (that I've seen in other shooters) is picking loadouts. But in games like CoD it sacrifices other strategies like weapon and map control for this loadout option. I realize it's much easier for an inexperienced player to feel like they're being strategic when they pick a CQC weapon when they think they'll need a CQC weapon but in Halo it's been about knowing where on the map that weapon spawns, positioning yourself and your team to pick it up and make sure the other team doesn't get it. I feel much more is involved in Halo's scenario and thus takes a greater deal of teamwork and strategy.godhandiscen said:
Unless you had something else in mind than player loadouts I'm not sure I agree with you. Perhaps a combination of the two systems would be best but there's not many games other than Halo that I'd say involve more strategy. This is all disregarding strategy involved in objective games whose strategies vary with each gametype.
Like iron sights, weapon loadouts don't scream "Halo MP" to me. If it is the same or quite similar to Halo 2/3 multiplayer, what it really needs is a massive and unique playlist management. Expansive gametypes, maps, and all else.
We may be getting something different in terms of a multiplayer experience, so we'll see come Beta. Hoping we get some material in or before Christmas. The tweet before about getting something to do with audio is meh -- I rather we get screenshots or information about something significant (for now).
We may be getting something different in terms of a multiplayer experience, so we'll see come Beta. Hoping we get some material in or before Christmas. The tweet before about getting something to do with audio is meh -- I rather we get screenshots or information about something significant (for now).
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
I never said Halo MP had no strategy. It just that it is very deep, and sometimes I feel it should be more "cosmetic". I was indeed suggesting something along the lines of picking a weapon loadout, but it would have to be an evolution of tht system because I still love fighting for control of strategic points. One aspect were weapon loadout could help is that Bungie would no longer dictate how certain maps have to be played. If I never had to use an AR in a long ranged map I would consider it an improvement. I think a special weapon such as the rocket launcher, or a powerup like camo would still be worth fighting for. However, I am sick and tired of having to walk around the map looking for a BR to swap it for the default AR. Also, I wish I spawned with a shotgun every time, but this would break the game. So you can see the pros and cons.EazyB said:
My running around strategy works, and it is because I can win the 1 on 1 encounters, over half the time. However, I wish that higuer level strategies were more accessible. For example, something that allowed me to call map locations would be an improvement. Professional players practice the name of these map locations. I don't think I should need to memorize the standard name calling, there should be some sort of system in game for me to point the fact I spotted enemies in a certain part of the map. Small strategic improvements like that are what I am asking for.
One man's garbage is another man's treasure. I will not get in detail about why I care little for screenshots, but actually, a piece of music is the best thing that Bungie could give the fans other than a beta/demo.Striker said:
Slightly Live
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godhandiscen said:
There's a perfectly good system in place in Halo 3 that allows you to do just that. It's the environmental detail.
Just because you haven't memorised the callouts doesn't mean you can't callout enemy locations. If you are playing with anyone with an ounce of familiarity with the map, then it shouldn't be an issue.
Near you base? Near a power weapon? Near a unique piece of geometry? If a map has a middle, then everyone knows where it is. If you spawn at a base, everyone knows where it is. Same for powerups and objectives. Heck, you can always callout "On my X".
Just don't expect to hop onto MLG and start making shit up (I actually did this for shits and giggles, they do not like it =P), obviously they have their system.
I think it would be a waste of time for Bungie to have to implement an entire enemy position identity system when the one we have already is perfect.
carbonbased
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i think (hope?) this is what he meant. Enemy Territory style objectives and class progression mixed with Halo's super-satisfying shootin n drivin would be one hell of an experience.EazyB said:
it was standard for rank to be reset at the start of each game in ET (with rank carrying over through the course of a multi-map campaign). this eliminates the brick wall new players often run into in shooters with persistent player levels.
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warbegins said:
Rank resets with every game? :lol
C'mon now.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
While I have to agree that environment detail helps, you still need a familiarity with the map. I still don't know all my call outs in Construct and other symmetric maps (I hate that maps, it always plays like a clusterfuck). Also, it was just a suggestion for a possible improvement. Halo 2 brought dual wielding, and Halo 3 brought equipment and third person weapons. If we had mentioned those additions before their respective introductions, I am pretty sure we would have considered them a total alienation to the Halo formula, but Bungie integrated them well. I trust Bungie will improve the system radically and it will still manage to feel like Halo.Dani said:
edit: Also, your suggestion that an aspect of Halo 3 is perfect, somehow annoys me to no end. That is the kind of mentality that destroys any gameplay evolution, and why other developers keep feeding us the same garbage. If Bungie considered their game perfect in any shape or form, they wouldn't be going for a sequel.
carbonbased
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this isn't some Halo trueskill or whatever epenis rank; a system like that could easily be implemented side by side with the one in ET. this system provides a level playing field at the start of each match and allows for very rapid and tangible gains in power.Dani said:
carbonbased
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i do realize that the carrot-on-a-string approach is all the rage these days. we will probably end up with Bungie's take on COD perks.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
Yeah, Dawn Of War has a system like that. During the progression of a match your character gets rewarded with experience points to purchase weapons and abilities. However, they only last during the match. I don't know how that would play in Halo though. Also, that is not a real persistent progression system. People want to be rewarded for their time invested.warbegins said:
Haven't played RtCW: Enemy Territories have you? Such an awesome game. I think it's actually a really good idea and like it better than having to grind for hundreds of hours to unlock things that others already have because they've grinded longer.Dani said:
Random thought about ranks and unlocks in Reach:
Alts are a big problem in Halo 3, this is because the trueskill is really the only thing to brag about in Halo 3 and partially because you gain trueskill faster on new accounts. To prevent the same in Reach Bungie should give players as little reason as possible to use a new account. Make the only visible ranks experience based so the those that stick with the same account are rewarded for doing so. All unlockables should be cosmetic but Bungie needs to REALLY go all out on these because players love being rewarded and goofy as it sounds, just these could really motivate these sorts of players to continue playing. It's like the draw of getting crazy looking loot to show off in MMOs. Make experience ranks frequent, not slow down to a crawl at high levels, and make the level cap extremely high.
Another random thought:
Keep leaderboards friends only if leaderboards are to be included.
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godhandiscen said:
Are you suggesting that a system needs to be put into place that replaces the need for familarity with a map in order for someone to try to describe where any players are?
Can you give me any sort of example with any other game that does this or a variation? I can understand what you are describing but I do not clearly see the need for it. If an other game has implemented such a feature, then it would give me a better idea of it would be implemented into Halo.
I used the wrong term, I suppose. Nothing is perfect. Or everything is perfect, depending on how you see it.
I strongly disagree that my description of a specific feature or lack there of could in any form lead to a hindrance of gameplay development or evolution.
Halo 3 has many faults and imperfections, I am not going to list which ones I think are relevant at this point, but there are plenty of features in the game, whilst not perfect (as I described) are perfectly fine and acceptable the way they are.
Enemy positioning identification is one example I would give. I think it's fine the way it is, there is no need for any change of any kind. The HUD layout would be another. The lobby system another. And so on.
To be honest, if anything, the disputed areas of concern should be given a priority in Reach development. You are the first person I've seen with a concern about calling out enemy positions.
EazyB said:
I have Quake Wars for the PC..... =(
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
I believe Bad Company 2 uses a system for spotting enemies, which is similar to what I described, and everybody is praising it. Halo's solution with the red "X" showing up where a body lays helps somewhat, but it doesn't tell you shit about somebody who got killed from long range. All systems have their pro and cons. I was suggesting it as a possible adition, as I said, I don't know if it would even make sense in the gameplay context.Dani said:
edit: Is it confirmed the MP will be class based?
The complete absolute clusterfuck of MW2 makes the wait for Reach that much harder. Could you imagine Bungie actually releasing something that bad?? Just proves who are the real AAA devs and who are the posers. Hopefully Bad Company 2 will be good enough to tide us over until the Reach Beta hits.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
When everything was said and done BF was the second most played game on the OG Xbox after Halo 2. Watch history repeat itself. BF2 is going to trumph CoD, or at least I hope.Wizman23 said:
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godhandiscen said:
Really? I'll have to look at BC2. I got a beta invite but my plate was ful
And nothing is confirmed about the Reach MP. Except there being a beta trial of it next Spring. =(
R6: Vegas 2 has the name of the place you are next to the radar. Reach could have something like that. So if you are at S3 on guardian, above you radar there'd be "Snipe 3" or something.
Alos, first H3 game in a month, it's -10 outside and on a shitty connection, +22
Alos, first H3 game in a month, it's -10 outside and on a shitty connection, +22
but no perf =(