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[Fahzgoolin]

I need a walkthrough of bloodline before I can judge it. That picture looks like the map is slapped together IMHO. The random metallic floor/paneling on the left, the strange junkyard looking structure where the rocks use to be, the glowing orbs above each base, the man cannons instead of teleporters... I don't buy it yet.

Maybe I just don't like the aesthetic. No biggie, I'm sure it will play well enough. =)

 

[Mix]

looks like the teleporters on Coag are mancannons now.
for reference I'll post it on this page

There seems to be a structure in the middle of Bloodline now.

yeah, like I said, if you go into it you fall into Waterworks a la Sandbox in halo 3.

 

[Sephzilla]

looks like the teleporters on Coag are mancannons now.
for reference I'll post it on this page

i cant pinpoint why but i dont think i like that change. granted it will probably make it a tad more difficult to lock a team down at one of their bases

 

[kittens]

Wow that shotty had 24 slugs! I hope they tune it down for the final release, but I know Certain Affinity really likes high ammo counts for power weapons.

Oh god. 343/CA, please change that. Map looks amazing otherwise!

Edit : I think the giant blue beam on Bloodline might be part of it's interactive element thing. I have a hunch the giant colored orbs above each base are part of it, too.

 

[Mix]

Oh god. 343/CA, please change that. Map looks amazing otherwise!

Why change it? Shotty is weak in Halo 2/Anniversary anyways.

 

[Fahzgoolin]

No. Even the concept art had more than a muddy texture (obviously not a texture, but you know what I mean)



And let's look at the original

Which looks so much better because the artists knew that there were more colours that aren't brown.

I'm very disappointed with these maps. Thank god the original multiplayers are in because I don't see myself playing any of Anniversary now.

I'm sure I will play it and have fun, but I'm with ya...the most I'm going to spend time is Halo CE/Halo 2 classic.

 

[Mistel]

New coag got a very 4 aesthetics wise style but it looks alright. I wonder what the thing in the middle is.

 

[Omni]

How did we go from maps that look as good as these

To... mud filters and dull colour schemes

They're so boring to look at. Though Warlock looks pretty cool, admittedly, it's still a lot more muddy than I would have liked

 

[kittens]

Why change it? Shotty is weak in Halo 2/Anniversary anyways.

Yeah? I haven't played Halo 2 since 2007, so I don't remember, lol.

 

[ElzarTheBam]

Yeah? I haven't played Halo 2 since 2007, so I don't remember, lol.

I'm sure it was weaker than Halo 3's.

And Halo 3's required a shot and a beat down, but that's still a lot of ammo.

 

[AlStrong]

Gameplay designer maybe needs to communicate a bit more with the art director or something.

Something, something, something.... visibility.

*shrug*

 

[IHaveIce]

Coag looks very 'unreal' like.

exactly what I thought. The bases look like Unreal engine and Unreal tournament at its finest

 

[Welfare]

Seeing how Warlock got remade...

#TerminalremakeforHalo5

 

[Fahzgoolin]

How did we go from maps that look as good as these

To... mud filters and dull colour schemes

They're so boring to look at. Though Warlock looks pretty cool, admittedly, it's still a lot more muddy than I would have liked

They aren't badly done artistically speaking, but it seems developers nowadays love their post-processing effects. The old maps still "pop" because they are for the most part clean and sharp looking. Haze/fog and deep dark shadows with blinding sun rays might look cool, but they don't lend themselves to competitive gameplay. During the Gamescom/Pax coverage they were bragging about how the sunlight can "blind you" in the Santuary remake "Shrine." That's...just stupid. Plus, master chief has a tinted visor...shouldn't happen. Classic case of artists going overboard and getting in the way of solid design. *Sigh*

Counter Strike Global Offensive had the same problem when it came out...tons of fog, clutter on maps and post-processing/vignette all over the place. Was removed because of justified griping.

 

[Fata1moose]

Are the blue and red bases switched in Blood Line?

 

[Prinz Eugn]

Cool maps, but why do they have to make everything so goddamn bleak?

 

[Fata1moose]

Cool maps, but why do they have to make everything so goddamn bleak?

Agreed, that's not Halo at all, I like actual color palates instead of mono-tone they have in some of these maps.

 

[The Librarian]

How did we go from maps that look as good as these

To... mud filters and dull colour schemes

They're so boring to look at. Though Warlock looks pretty cool, admittedly, it's still a lot more muddy than I would have liked

Sanctuary and Lockout look better when you're playing them.

 

[User 73706]

I can stomach Warlock purely because the original (warlock, not wizard) was even more colorless. Wizard was pretty bland visually, too. I like the minimalist idea behind the design, but I think there are more effective ways to go about it. I'm picturing Wizard set in a Mirror's Edge interior, basically.

 

[Mix]

Are the blue and red bases switched in Blood Line?

nope

 

[Kampfheld]

Sanctuary is the best looking map of them all imo. It just looks gorgeous in motion. I can't believe you put this map on the "bad" side.

 

[squidhands]

Should have called it Dumbledore, rolls off the tongue easier.

 

[Mix]

Sanctuary is the best looking map of them all imo. It just looks gorgeous in motion. I can't believe you put this map on the "bad" side.

No, it's not that it looks bad, he's saying that the color palette leaves a lot to be desired. The map doesn't look bad by any means, it just could use more color.

 

[Fahzgoolin]

Sanctuary is the best looking map of them all imo. It just looks gorgeous in motion. I can't believe you put this map on the "bad" side.

Look at all the deep/dark saturated shadows. Also watch some footage and the sun is oversaturated in some places making it hard to see anyone. For example: when looking up at someone on a turret between the Flag and sniper spawn...so much for a reflective tinted visor. Design > Artistic direction.

 

[The Librarian]

Look at all the deep/dark saturated shadows. Also watch some footage and the sun is oversaturated in some places making it hard to see anyone. For example: when looking up at someone on a turret between the Flag and sniper spawn...so much for a reflective tinted visor. Design > Artistic direction.

Didn't encounter this problem once in my time playing it.

 

[Fahzgoolin]

Didn't encounter this problem once in my time playing it.

Well that's good news...Hope it remains that way. Screenshots can be deceiving. There was a walkthrough interview that was insisting on blinding sunrays as an artistically impressive feature. Didn't make me a happy boi.

 

[Poodlestrike]

I'm also super excited to watch RvB in this new canyon lol

This. They just wrapped up a season, but maybe they could do a PSA or something?

 

[belushy]

Fuck yes, Sentinel beam.

 

[Vico]

Sentinel beam looks so fucking great.

 

[kittens]

Cool maps, but why do they have to make everything so goddamn bleak?

The bleak, dingy maps in Halo 4 genuinely impacted my enjoyment. Even maps with a little color like Solace were dull and depressing.

 

[BigEvilTurtle]

Yeah, the new maps look cool but the color palettes are too bleak. I would have preferred a night-time Terminal with tons of lights over a post-nuclear fallout Coagulation.

 

[Prinz Eugn]

Look at all the deep/dark saturated shadows. Also watch some footage and the sun is oversaturated in some places making it hard to see anyone. For example: when looking up at someone on a turret between the Flag and sniper spawn...so much for a reflective tinted visor. Design > Artistic direction.

Additionally it looks like they aren't following some basic map design rules very closely. One base on Coag was in shadow to differentiate it, but instead of just doing that again we get those cheesy Eye of Sauron towers. Warlock looks even more confusing than before, too, when the bases really should look very different.

I mean, the details look great but the overall design is a little disappointing.

 

[AlStrong]

On the bright side, maybe they'll surprise us with up to 343 dynamic lights popping up during gun battles.

 

[belushy]

I don't think the rumor that Bloodline is a forge world is true, judging by geometry but idk.

Yeah, it seems that way... I'm disappointed if that ends up being how it is. I hope they have some forge environments with terrain, other wise all the extra budget they gave us for forge in H2A will just be spent using rock and tree blocks to make our own terrain.

 

[pacman85]

So no interactive element on Warlock?

Yes, did anyone catch this? Is there not one?

 

[Sephzilla]

Yeah, I'm on #TeamNeedsMoreColor as well

Ascension and Zanzibar look fantastic. The other maps need to taste the rainbow a little bit more. Wizwarlocklord is fine as it is though, that map was never that colorful to begin with.

 

[uwdanman]

The bleak, dingy maps in Halo 4 genuinely impacted my enjoyment. Even maps with a little color like Solace were dull and depressing.

Same, I enjoyed the simple color/texture pallet of Halo 1 the best. Halo 2 comes in second, but everything after Halo 3 has too much texture/colors for me.

 

[Calm Killer]

The bleak, dingy maps in Halo 4 genuinely impacted my enjoyment. Even maps with a little color like Solace were dull and depressing.

Wow really? That is my favorite Halo 4 map. So good.

 

[Prinz Eugn]

Wow really? That is my favorite Halo 4 map. So good.

Solace is not great. It went to the "this isn't fun so let's add more crates" school of design (Abandon was valedictorian).

 

[singhr1]

How did we go from maps that look as good as these

To... mud filters and dull colour schemes

They're so boring to look at. Though Warlock looks pretty cool, admittedly, it's still a lot more muddy than I would have liked

Not every map needs to be sunny, bright, and happy. The lighting should reflect the mood of the map. I'm willing to hold off judgment of Bloodline until I see more. The rest look spectacular.

BTW, new medal found the gameplay: "I see you" for killing an invisible enemy.

 

[User 73706]

Solace is not great. It went to the "this isn't fun so let's add more crates" school of design (Abandon was valedictorian).

I'd give that award to Infinity, actually.

 

[Tawpgun]

The fuck

Put some more color in that jesus.

 

[Zeouterlimits]

I don't know what to say about the aesthetics, I am hesitant to start on that train again, but if this means Warlock doesn't have some new weird ability then I'll take this as a win.

I don't like the icicle business on Lockout. Down with this sort of thing.

 

[The Librarian]

I don't know what to say about the aesthetics, I am hesitant to start on that train again, but if this means Warlock doesn't have some new weird ability then I'll take this as a win.

I don't like the icicle business on Lockout. Down with this sort of thing.

Stalactites on Lockout are so much fun.

 

[Fracas]

I don't know what to say about the aesthetics, I am hesitant to start on that train again, but if this means Warlock doesn't have some new weird ability then I'll take this as a win.

I don't like the icicle business on Lockout. Down with this sort of thing.

It's just so random and unneeded. These maps were fan favorites for a reason.

 

[kittens]

Wow really? That is my favorite Halo 4 map. So good.

It was the map I was most excited about in Halo 4 and -- much to my excitement and eventual disappointment -- the first map I played when I got Halo 4. The crates and asymmetrical bases are what bothered me the most. Other then that, it was just nothing special. A solid 6 out of 10 map.

 

[Prinz Eugn]

Eh, interactive stuff is fine as long as it's obvious, predictable, and in control of the players. I'd rather have more interactive map features than bizarro perk combinations when it comes to making gameplay interesting.

 

[Poodlestrike]

It's just so random and unneeded. These maps were fan favorites for a reason.

While I can't speak to unneeded, they're most certainly not random.

 

[dwells]

I'm good with Warlock being remade (MLG CTF 5 awwww yeeee), but I'm not feeling the color scheme either. Everything blends into itself and the base colors don't seem particularly prominent which is a problem given the symmetry.

Hit markers and grenade indicators continue to make me sad, as does the addition of mancannons to Coag. If we could just go back to pretending they don't exist and return to using teleporters, that would be great.

 

[Deception]

I'm good with Lockout being remade (MLG CTF 5 awwww yeeee), but I'm not feeling the color scheme either. Everything blends into itself and the base colors don't seem particularly prominent which is a problem given the symmetry.

Hit markers and grenade indicators continue to make me sad, as does the addition of mancannons to Coag. If we could just go back to pretending they don't exist and return to using teleporters, that would be great.

Per Frankles their will be a version of Coag with the mancannons swapped for teleporters.