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Hannibal S3 |OT| Man Destroys God. Hannibal Eats Man. Hannibal Inherits The Earth.
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So...
With thatobvious reference to Silence of the Lambs, it seems to me Fuller already knew he was never going to get the chance to adapt it. Maybe this season is intended to be the final one and the whole "looking for a new home for it" is just one big swerve?Yeah, probably not.
Spoil me! What was
the reference to the Silence of the Lambs?
metsallica
Member
i hate this thread now
Sweeney Tom
Banned
I have to laugh at this point. There's nothing left to do anymore.
Super heavy spoilers, I wouldn't read them...
Mason wants to wear Will's face while he eats Hannibal. We see the beginnings of the face transplant surgery, and we're made to believe Cordell has started cutting into Will's face. Cut to black. Later on when the show goes back to the surgery, Mason wakes up with Cordell's face on him (Hannibal had escaped by then.) That Hannibal is such a rascal!
So apparently this has moved to Saturdays 10/9c.
https://twitter.com/NBCHannibal/status/621803458794881024
I wonder if that means we get season 3 episode 8 this weekend?
https://twitter.com/NBCHannibal/status/621803458794881024
I wonder if that means we get season 3 episode 8 this weekend?
Intheflorsh
Banned
It's going to be fun reading the reactions tomorrow... Strap yourselves in, kids.
It's a repurposed quote from the source material, he says that the most stable elements are in between iron and silver. It's not meant to be literal, scientific fact obviously, but I think the murky zone that Hannibal lives in between capability for brutish violence and his measured tastes for fine art.
Episode 7 hasn't air in the US but has in Canada. City (the station here in Canada that showed it last night) is airing a repeat of 7 this Saturday as well. I don't think City is going to be shifting to match NBC in the future either.
Anton Sugar
Member
Yup. Seems like VOD services aren't affected by the new timeslot? At least, right now.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Book spoilers
Will survived Hannibal stabbing him after discovering he was the killer, and Hannibal was arrested
Says episode 7 is unavailable for me (also season 3 isn't on Prime yet, just Amazon streaming. You still need to purchase the season to see it there at this point).
It's also up on City's site, though I'm guessing it's region blocked for people outside of Canada.
Leona Lewis
Banned
He said that
the most stable elements on the periodic table are those between iron and silver, and said that placement is appropriate for Chiyoh.
Shuggananas
Banned
goddamn this was good
those last 3 episodes were so so great
now I think it will tone down a bit
those last 3 episodes were so so great
now I think it will tone down a bit
whew LORD this episode was truly amazing
let me repent for even doubting this season. this episode was finale worthy. the part with the
. it'll be hard to top it feels like all~30 episodes have lead to this moment (( wonder what the next few episodes will bring
can you explain this? from what he was saying, is he suggesting that
orrrr
let me repent for even doubting this season. this episode was finale worthy. the part with the
pig surrogate and following 10 minutes had my jaw wide open
it feels like all~30 episodes have lead to this moment (( wonder what the next few episodes will bringcan you explain this? from what he was saying, is he suggesting that
"between iron and silver" = behind bars?
The One Who Knocks
Member
My interpretation of the line is that it is very much literal, but almost certainly not suggestive of what you've suggested.
(spoilers for up to this episode)
First, there is the very clear "literal" aspect of the line. Hannibal is directly commenting upon the reliability of Chiyoh, and her consistency. We know that for an exceptionally long time, Chiyoh was the guardian to Mischa's alleged killer. She was bound to this man not out of necessity, but out of her own morality which forbade her killing him. While ultimately she did kill Mischa's killer, this was largely as a result of Will Graham's interference, and was not her intended outcome. We also know that she had a degree of friendship with Hannibal. Throughout the season, we got a variety of suggestions as to what her motivations were; was she here to kill Hannibal after Will Graham suggested Hannibal killed Mischa as all sorrows can be borne through a fairytale (not the exact quote, I know), was she indebted to Will for 'freeing' her, was she going to kill Hannibal, would she assist in his arrest, would she help Hannibal, why was she doing what she was doing, etc. It is in this episode that we discover it very simply; she is (as Hannibal mentions) obsessively and successfully driven by a debt to Mischa and little else. She watches over Hannibal and will serve as his protector so that she can get an answer to the doubts that Will Graham implanted within her, and so that she is able to 'honour' Mischa. DuMaurier comments in the previous episode that she worries that Chiyoh is Hannibal's greatest mistake, and the reason is not because of how damaged she is, or how clever she is, but in how obsessively she will patiently hunt down what it is she seeks with a reckless disregard for her own personal safety (note how she carries around a sniper, how she waltzes with a drive, how she takes action even in public places or against connected individuals, yet doesn't intervene when Jack Crawford appears in Florence despite it being a good moment to catch Hannibal, she doesn't cause collateral damage unnecessarily, and doesn't kill when unnecessary). The name "Chiyoh" means eternal, and her focused, driven nature is something "stable" that Hannibal can always rely on.
Then there is the clearly metaphorical meaning. It doesn't, as you've suggested, imply behind bars, as at this stage, Hannibal has not turned himself in, nor does he have any intention of doing so. "Iron" and "Silver" are the key words in this statement, so it's important to consider what these could represent. Let's look at the word "iron". It has connotations of strength, endurity, hardness, coldness, and resilient. It won't bend, and it won't break. It's reliable. Yet it's also relatively cheap, and associated with many cheap materials ("iron pan" versus "stainless steel pan"). Chiyoh, herself, is somebody we know to be quite cold, rigid, and strong in her pursuit. She comes from a modest background (handmaiden to Lady Murasaki, lives in what appears to be a very self-sufficient and basic manner, lacks much apparent extravagance. Yet simultaneously, there is "silver", a much softer, malleable metal that's associated with a much richer lifestyle and is more refined. Chiyoh, herself, evokes a very clear sense of refinement below the surface. We can see in the cellar for the alleged murderer of Mischa that she has a refined taste of food, and (one presumes due to her association with Lecter) a similarly good selection of wine which is associated with a very upscale lifestyle.
Chiyoh, unlike many others in the show, has a great 'balance' in how she lives. Unlike DuMaurier, Margot, Mason, Alana, and many other of the show's characters who have a high class sense of taste, who live in modern homes, with modern lifestyles, and clearly rely upon wealth a great deal, Chiyoh is content with appreciating and balancing simplicity (iron) and a refined taste (silver); she perhaps lives the most reasonable lifestyle of all of those who've encountered Lecter in terms of balancing the cost of their lifestyle, because while yes, she does have a lot, and has exquisite taste, she doesn't flaunt it and appears to live a fairly simple life which she has refined to a great precision (even the way she kills, with a sniper, is suggestive of this).
Beyond the wealth, we could look a bit more at the concept of her in relation to being a victim of Dr. Lecter, and her malleability. Will Graham is extremely malleable, he can place himself in the mind of others with a great deal of accuracy and can understand there viewpoint. While he's very clever, and an excellent companion of Dr. Lecter's, this malleability and cleverness presents an issue to both of them in how it makes him very unpredictable and unstable. While Lecter very much enjoys and relishes this, and makes Will one of his closest friends, it's also something that makes their friendship one of escalation. His plan adapts continuously based upon what's happening, and he's a treasured friend of Lecter's. DuMaurier, on the otherhand, is somebody very, very rigid. She too is very clever, and also can analyse other's viewpoints well, but lives a strict lifestyle and is unwilling to take what she thinks to be very 'direct' actions. She is very much (in her eyes) an observer. She always has a plan, thinks ahead, and sticks to this plan (her routine this season, for example, was very rigid), but rarely carries out any actions herself even if she is willing to manipulate them as required. It helps in that she also has quite a cold, unflinching (professionally, anyway) personality. While she struggled maintaining her sense of self with Lecter, and it did waiver a few times, we as a viewer never really saw it dissipate. She is one who has interacted with Lecter, yet managed to maintain a very good balance of her traits. She adapts to situations, and shifts her plans, yet still sticks to a general idea and knows where she is going. The sensation that her interactive with Lecter was a positive one is also implicit in both of their traits (a speculative idea that Chiyoh teaching Lecter hunting prowess, Lecter teaching Chiyoh in manipulation and more refined mannerisms perhaps).
Of course, the metaphorical reading can be taken in many ways, it has a very broad range as it just relies upon the balance in her character in light of this episode. Nothing is solid, and nothing necessarily has to relate to another aspect, but I've supplied some suggestions on where an interpretation of the line may be taken. It is, I feel, the literal meaning of the line, that she is a very stable element in Dr. Lecter's life and is an individual who can always be counted on (her motivations, and otherwise), that is probably meant to be clearly taken from it if nothing else.
Then there is the clearly metaphorical meaning. It doesn't, as you've suggested, imply behind bars, as at this stage, Hannibal has not turned himself in, nor does he have any intention of doing so. "Iron" and "Silver" are the key words in this statement, so it's important to consider what these could represent. Let's look at the word "iron". It has connotations of strength, endurity, hardness, coldness, and resilient. It won't bend, and it won't break. It's reliable. Yet it's also relatively cheap, and associated with many cheap materials ("iron pan" versus "stainless steel pan"). Chiyoh, herself, is somebody we know to be quite cold, rigid, and strong in her pursuit. She comes from a modest background (handmaiden to Lady Murasaki, lives in what appears to be a very self-sufficient and basic manner, lacks much apparent extravagance. Yet simultaneously, there is "silver", a much softer, malleable metal that's associated with a much richer lifestyle and is more refined. Chiyoh, herself, evokes a very clear sense of refinement below the surface. We can see in the cellar for the alleged murderer of Mischa that she has a refined taste of food, and (one presumes due to her association with Lecter) a similarly good selection of wine which is associated with a very upscale lifestyle.
Chiyoh, unlike many others in the show, has a great 'balance' in how she lives. Unlike DuMaurier, Margot, Mason, Alana, and many other of the show's characters who have a high class sense of taste, who live in modern homes, with modern lifestyles, and clearly rely upon wealth a great deal, Chiyoh is content with appreciating and balancing simplicity (iron) and a refined taste (silver); she perhaps lives the most reasonable lifestyle of all of those who've encountered Lecter in terms of balancing the cost of their lifestyle, because while yes, she does have a lot, and has exquisite taste, she doesn't flaunt it and appears to live a fairly simple life which she has refined to a great precision (even the way she kills, with a sniper, is suggestive of this).
Beyond the wealth, we could look a bit more at the concept of her in relation to being a victim of Dr. Lecter, and her malleability. Will Graham is extremely malleable, he can place himself in the mind of others with a great deal of accuracy and can understand there viewpoint. While he's very clever, and an excellent companion of Dr. Lecter's, this malleability and cleverness presents an issue to both of them in how it makes him very unpredictable and unstable. While Lecter very much enjoys and relishes this, and makes Will one of his closest friends, it's also something that makes their friendship one of escalation. His plan adapts continuously based upon what's happening, and he's a treasured friend of Lecter's. DuMaurier, on the otherhand, is somebody very, very rigid. She too is very clever, and also can analyse other's viewpoints well, but lives a strict lifestyle and is unwilling to take what she thinks to be very 'direct' actions. She is very much (in her eyes) an observer. She always has a plan, thinks ahead, and sticks to this plan (her routine this season, for example, was very rigid), but rarely carries out any actions herself even if she is willing to manipulate them as required. It helps in that she also has quite a cold, unflinching (professionally, anyway) personality. While she struggled maintaining her sense of self with Lecter, and it did waiver a few times, we as a viewer never really saw it dissipate. She is one who has interacted with Lecter, yet managed to maintain a very good balance of her traits. She adapts to situations, and shifts her plans, yet still sticks to a general idea and knows where she is going. The sensation that her interactive with Lecter was a positive one is also implicit in both of their traits (a speculative idea that Chiyoh teaching Lecter hunting prowess, Lecter teaching Chiyoh in manipulation and more refined mannerisms perhaps).
Of course, the metaphorical reading can be taken in many ways, it has a very broad range as it just relies upon the balance in her character in light of this episode. Nothing is solid, and nothing necessarily has to relate to another aspect, but I've supplied some suggestions on where an interpretation of the line may be taken. It is, I feel, the literal meaning of the line, that she is a very stable element in Dr. Lecter's life and is an individual who can always be counted on (her motivations, and otherwise), that is probably meant to be clearly taken from it if nothing else.
I hope that helps in some ways, as it's not the easiest of lines.
Gsak
Member
Well in the books,
it was Clarice instead of Will and they fell for each other, leaving the country and living as a couple, in a luxurious mansion in Buenos Aires.
Leona Lewis
Banned
*SPOILER*
I just read that
So tragic, so beautiful ;__;
I just read that
the book of equations that Hannibal was writing in while Will was recuperating in bed was a set of formulas that could theoretically prove that time can be reversed. He wanted so badly to repair the teacup...
So tragic, so beautiful ;__;
Just checked and the episode is indeed on Xbox Video. Do I want to wait or suck it up and just rent it for $3?
Of course that sets a bad president for the rest of the season.
NBC really should put it On Demand. Total BS if they give VOD outlets the chance to show it for money, but won't put it on their own service to at least appease us for moving the show.
Of course that sets a bad president for the rest of the season.
NBC really should put it On Demand. Total BS if they give VOD outlets the chance to show it for money, but won't put it on their own service to at least appease us for moving the show.
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Deleted member 102362
Unconfirmed Member
goddamn this was good
those last 3 episodes were so so great
now I think it will tone down a bit
Somehow, I doubt that.
Clarice didn't technically fall for Lecter, IIRC he used hyponosis, drugs and conditioning to break her and then win her over. He basically makes her his slave.
Weapxn
Mikkelsexual
Which is what Bedelia faked, basically.
I'll be honest. I haven't watched or read SotL so this is all lost on me. D:
Only last season. New guy this season.
I don't think
it's because he *loves* Will, but because he wants to remain a temptation for him. When he went to Italy and left Will near death at the "red dinner," he knew Will would come after him. But now Will has told him he doesn't want to think about Hannibal anymore, doesn't want to follow him or know where he is or what he's doing. That's not fun for Hannibal; he wants to tease and corrupt Will, he wants to keep playing, he doesn't want Will to move on without him. So he puts himself in a place and position where he knows that they can keep playing, and that, once the right conditions are in place some day, Will can and will be forced to meet with Hannibal again.
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
two things:
spoilertagged for those whom haven't seen it yet.
- friendzoned! FRIENDZONED, YOU HEAR ME
* angrily turn away *
(also: yay, more Winston in the remaining eps? I miss them too :'( they were such a natural extension of Will's character)
- I think this completes Chiyoh's arc in the sense that she now has another prisoner to keep watch over, right?
* angrily turn away *
(also: yay, more Winston in the remaining eps? I miss them too :'( they were such a natural extension of Will's character)
- I think this completes Chiyoh's arc in the sense that she now has another prisoner to keep watch over, right?
spoilertagged for those whom haven't seen it yet.
Gsak
Member
True, yet in the end, whether she's with him due to the hypnosis & drugs or off hew own will, is kinda ambiguous.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
I don't even take it as
him trolling Will. I think he genuinely thought the only way he could fix things and maintain any part of the friendship was by giving Will closure and finally letting Will see him be punished for what he did.
Monocle
Member
Aww, yes. I've got Prime. Gonna check this out right now.
Edit: Damn, never mind.
Thanks for kicking the show while it's down, NBC. Now US viewers have to put up with this nonsense.
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Deleted member 102362
Unconfirmed Member
They've made it abundantly clear they don't care about the fannibals. Just let me buy the S3 Blu-ray and be done with it.
a secret-boss
Banned
damn the slow build up finally paid off'
best episode this season
best episode this season
dead souls
Member
I love this show, but no broadcast network should give a shit about a show that can only get a 0.4 demo.
Leona Lewis
Banned
Speaking of which, that Dateline re-run basically quadrupled last week's Hannibal viewership.
America
He literally
did the complete opposite of what Will wanted.
Have to ask a favor out of those who watched it already... Will likely do the usual reaction while watching thing because I enjoy the act. That's assuming if I don't forget to watch the show (since I'm not accustomed to watching it Sat nights). I'd ask anyone who has already seen it to keep in mind not to spoil things that happen later in the episode. Just because the show is airing you can't assume whatever part you're talking about had already happened.
Thinking of this has made me kind of annoyed now that I know Canadians will be seeing the finale before us... Fucking NBC
Thinking of this has made me kind of annoyed now that I know Canadians will be seeing the finale before us... Fucking NBC
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Deleted member 102362
Unconfirmed Member
You can not give a shit and still not do dumb things with scheduling.
They probably
couldn't overpower Cordell or Mason's guards, which was why they needed Hannibal. The only dumb thing is leaving that loaded gun lying around after Mason woke up though.
Anton Sugar
Member
Man, so happy I downloaded that episode earlier.
That was like a mini season finale.
That was like a mini season finale.
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