And those people would be wrong to do so, because real killers come from pretty shitty backgrounds that lead them to take up arms.
Hatred - Reveal & Gameplay Trailer
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Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
This doesn't make me happy.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Content aside, the animation and graphics look really good. Will probably try this when it's dirt cheap.
It would be a really interesting social experience if this game was free.
Intheflorsh
Banned
The main character looks fucking ridiculous, like something dredged up from the bowels of 90s comics and given a fresh coat of modern grimdark.
Haunted
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I find myself drawn to this topic again because it does raise interesting related questions.
We've seen very similar gameplay in other games and came to the conclusion that context is everything (because genocide is fine in those games).
What's the extent of the changes these devs here would have to do to make this "acceptable"? Release a separate mode that turns all the enemies into zombies? Put all the enemies into Nazi uniforms? Give your guy a Punisher skin and say that the NPCs are all members of the Mafia? Not change anything and just create a splash screen at the start with text that states that you're the last surviving human on earth, and all the NPCs you encounter are alien body snatchers that have killed their human hosts and are just mimicking their behaviour?
We've seen very similar gameplay in other games and came to the conclusion that context is everything (because genocide is fine in those games).
What's the extent of the changes these devs here would have to do to make this "acceptable"? Release a separate mode that turns all the enemies into zombies? Put all the enemies into Nazi uniforms? Give your guy a Punisher skin and say that the NPCs are all members of the Mafia? Not change anything and just create a splash screen at the start with text that states that you're the last surviving human on earth, and all the NPCs you encounter are alien body snatchers that have killed their human hosts and are just mimicking their behaviour?
Jawmuncher
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Well, watch the video when you can and make up your own mind. But definitely read Nemesis
Actually stepped outside so I could watch it.
Yeah the trailer itself is not doing anything for me.
They have to show me that it's more than just what the trailer offered.
Really does just look like controversy and violence just for the sake of it.
Who's to say that the cops in this game wont shoot back? I assume there has to be some sort of fail state right? Hell, the protagonist even says that his end goal is to die, so I'd assume that him getting killed is part of the game. The bystanders in this game are basically like Imps or Grunts in Halo or especially mobs of zombies in Dead Rising. They fight back, but it's mostly ineffectual, and the bystanders in this game might just fight back with screams and pleading.
Again, I'm not saying that this game is some masterclass in game design, I'm just saying that this has a very valid reason to exist and I'm interested to see where it goes. I could also totally understand being offended and not wanting anything to do with the game, I'm just not that easily turned off by entertainment.
So what about this reminds you of manhunt besides killing?
I just don't see how (unless there's more to the game then the trailer eludes) this game will be any fun. It looks like Dead Nation, or any other generic top down shooter, except the enemies run away without fighting back instead of towards you in any kind of challenging way.
So to me, it seems, the only reason someone would get excited about playing this is for the gratuitous violence. Which is totally fine, but then there's tons of games with gratuitous violence in them that actually have (or seem to have) subjectively fun gameplay aspects as well. At this point, gratuitous violence alone is just not enough to get me excited about a game anymore...
Unless the thing people are actually excited about is murdering innocent civilians... which is something else. I can see the parallels to GTA, and I get it, it's fun to go on rampages in that game, hold up in a building and get your wanted level way up... pretty sure everybody whose played the game has done it. But, I've done that in games already and it gets pretty boring after an hour or so. I can't get excited about an entire game that's just that, and I don't understand why people are... anyone care to explain why they are excited for this game?
BadAss2961
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I was talking about the gameplay and visuals alone. Basically, if the Hotline Miami team were to reveal HM3, and it looked exactly like this trailer but under the HM context, everyone would be gushing over it.
Yeah, this pretty much sums up my thoughts, as well. Unless the game is some sort of super dry parody, and it certainly doesn't seem to be.
My name is not important. What is important is what I'm going to do. I just fucking hate this world, and the human worms feasting on its carcass. My whole life is just cold, bitter hatred, and I always wanted to die violently. This is the time of vengeance and no life is worth saving. And I will put in the grave as many as I can. It's time for me to kill, and it's time for me to die. My genocide crusade begins here.
CadetMahoney
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On the plus side this game will never see the light of day on consoles.
FalsettoVibe
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Same here. This game never needs to see the light of day.
I haven't read Irredeemable, but thanks for putting it on my radar.
thehillissilent
Member
Yeah, this makes me hope that the devs release a mod kit since it is using UE4.
Abinash117
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That's true , but generally I doubt people care if they had a bad past - their actions currently or at the time(as in at the time of killing people) is far too much and can't be dismissed because of bad experiences .
I guess so. I mean if it's perfectly fine to have fun playing games where you senselessly murder people, I don't see the issue with that either.
Oliver Onion
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This is going to be an AO game.
It won't be on Steam, PSN, eShop, or Xbox Live. You'll have to likely download it from their site when it comes out.
I don't know if I have a problem with it, then. It won't reach the masses unless some underground movement pushes it there, and even then, it won't be in your face.
It won't be on Steam, PSN, eShop, or Xbox Live. You'll have to likely download it from their site when it comes out.
I don't know if I have a problem with it, then. It won't reach the masses unless some underground movement pushes it there, and even then, it won't be in your face.
The problem is context. Even films about murdering innocents (eg. Elephant) build a strong narrative around the assailant and why they chose to do what they did. Using "hatred" as an excuse is a piss poor reason to justify killing innocent people, and is quite frankly just lazy.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
ever played the original Postal? It's pretty much exactly like this. Same premise, same context, same look, and that came out on consoles. Have we really gotten to the point where a game like this is unacceptable 18 years later?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umR1-3q-rPw
not co-signing the content in this trailer by any stretch: just playing devil's advocate here.
I'll second that suggestion. Great book. Read Sleeper, too, if you haven't.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Video games promote real life violence. This game will be used as THE prime example by the media for spreading the propaganda.
Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
This is a colossal sweeping generalization.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Giving the trailer the benefit of the doubt that it might have some sort of Spec-Ops like twist at the end that casts the rest of the game in a new light - and I'm still not sure it's going to work because the shoes you are placing yourself in narratively, and the actions you're taking, are being framed in such a manner that you have to WANT to be doing what you're doing in the manner you're doing it. GTA leavens that with elements of parody, Hotline Miami's low-res artstyle adds levels of remove that make it cartoony and less weighty.
This is trying to, for lack of a better term, be real about it. Or real-ish.
Unless the developers are specifically trying to aim this game specifically at the kind of people who think this sort of fantasizing is fun and healthy, and then turning the tables on them in the last level like "you should think about why this fucked up, repugnant shit appeals to you," I don't know if it's going to work. And if that is what they're doing, they're drastically limiting their audience because everyone else will either not play the game, or give up halfway through because relentless adolescent nihilism can only go so far.
This is trying to, for lack of a better term, be real about it. Or real-ish.
Unless the developers are specifically trying to aim this game specifically at the kind of people who think this sort of fantasizing is fun and healthy, and then turning the tables on them in the last level like "you should think about why this fucked up, repugnant shit appeals to you," I don't know if it's going to work. And if that is what they're doing, they're drastically limiting their audience because everyone else will either not play the game, or give up halfway through because relentless adolescent nihilism can only go so far.
EvilKatarn
Member
That intro sounded like the manifesto of a teen school shooter.
Looks stupid. Probably has a twist ending if it even has a story. I have no interest in playing it unless the gameplay turns out to be really good. Doesn't look like it will though.
I don't get this obsession with every game having to align with what you're comfortable with.
Looks stupid. Probably has a twist ending if it even has a story. I have no interest in playing it unless the gameplay turns out to be really good. Doesn't look like it will though.
I don't get this obsession with every game having to align with what you're comfortable with.
thequickandthedead
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Are those books or comics?
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Alex Navarro explains it pretty well why people find it distressing-
https://twitter.com/alex_navarro
(Read bot to top, starting 2 hoursish ago?
Interesting to see his dissection and thoughts on the reaction of it.
https://twitter.com/alex_navarro
(Read bot to top, starting 2 hoursish ago?
Interesting to see his dissection and thoughts on the reaction of it.
I'm not a fan of violence in games that are to graphic (God of War 3...) or just unprovoked violence for the sake of violence like the Postal games. That is when it's the objective of the game to pull people's eyes out or kill innocent people like this.
Needless to say, this isn't a game for me.
Needless to say, this isn't a game for me.
Doesn't sound fun. That would definitely catch a lot of shit.
Trailer was pretty gruesome but from the description, I kinda assumed that.
If there is some context as to why the character is the way he is then I guess I can respect the developers for wanting to make a game that adheres to whatever vision it is that they have for their game but if it just drops you in and you start pumping bullets into people for no reason then that crosses the line for me.
Even if the game has a valid plot or motivating factor in all this, I'm still not going to play it as my time is too valuable for a game like this.
I'm sure Fox news will love it.
Regardless of what people think, I still believe that the devs shouldn't be stopped or try to be stopped. If they have some sort of vision for the game, no one should stop them. If it's a terrible game, people won't buy it.
If there is some context as to why the character is the way he is then I guess I can respect the developers for wanting to make a game that adheres to whatever vision it is that they have for their game but if it just drops you in and you start pumping bullets into people for no reason then that crosses the line for me.
Even if the game has a valid plot or motivating factor in all this, I'm still not going to play it as my time is too valuable for a game like this.
I'm sure Fox news will love it.
Regardless of what people think, I still believe that the devs shouldn't be stopped or try to be stopped. If they have some sort of vision for the game, no one should stop them. If it's a terrible game, people won't buy it.
Postal is rated M, though. Its highly satirical tone probably has something to do with it. It's hard to say for sure based on just the one trailer but this one looks mostly played straight.
I'm pretty sure Steam has a policy against carrying AO rated games. Isn't that why Manhunt 2 isn't on Steam?
I can sympathize with that sentiment to an extent but there's a delicate balance to be found here. You really don't want to have tasteless thematic content just for the hell of it. This does not look like it aspires to achieve such a balance. Not even a little.
MHWilliams
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Also pick up its sister title, Incorruptible.
samuraidino
Member
It's spin off inccuroptable is also really good. Supervillian who tries to become a superhero by going cold turkey from evil stuff. I actually enjoyed it more than Iredeemable.
Ban Puncher
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Ouya finally gets its killer app.
harrisk954
Member
I'm all about freedom of speech and fighting against censorship, but this game seems to go beyond the pale in terms of subject matter. Why not have a game where you are responsible for committing genocide? Or a game where you play the terrorists on 9/11 and the goal is to fly a plane into the World Trade Center? Or a game where your goal is to rape and murder children? Honestly, this is the type of game that, on its face, should not be supported.
The game is simply being made to get a reaction with no apparent redeeming qualities. This is the type of stuff that the mainstream media latches onto and makes gamers look like anti-social losers.
The game is simply being made to get a reaction with no apparent redeeming qualities. This is the type of stuff that the mainstream media latches onto and makes gamers look like anti-social losers.
Piston Hyundai
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Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Yeah, no thanks.
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