rodrigolfp
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And because of that if Sony, Nintendo or Valve go bankrupt you think they will not pull the plug of their digital stores???
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Have Digital Libraries guaranteed PlayStation, Nintendo and Steam’s future dominance?
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StereoVsn
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I am apprehensive that Sony goes all digital with PS6, which would make it impossible to play physical disks from PS4 and PS5 on new hardware.
I can see MS going to ARM though and supporting previous gen through translation layer despite some issues.
RetroGamingUK
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I’d assume there’d be countless big corporations queuing up to get their hands on those brands, technologies and properties
HogIsland
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nintendo and sony pull the plug on their digital stores periodically without going bankrupt
Imagine it will be like PS5 Pro. All digital standard, disc drive available as an add on.
Natsuko
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I think that plays an important role for some people. I was very active on the Xbox for a long time. And that was certainly also due to the fact that I already had hundreds of games for the Xbox back in the Xbox 360 days. And only came to PlayStation quite late. I simply didn't have the money for all the consoles back then. I had Nintendo and later, as an apprentice, I also had an Xbox. It wasn't until a few generations later that I got a PlayStation. I was pretty happy with the Xbox until the Xbox 360. I found the Xbox One difficult, the Series even more so. But the many games I already had made me buy multiplatform games for Xbox for a long time.
But the Xbox is primarily only used so much here because it's very lucrative as a family. Without the children, it would hardly play a role for me. I like Japanese games and the Xbox Series X is simply not the best console for that. There's a lot of stuff everywhere now, but it fails when it comes to exclusive games. That's where Nintendo and Sony are still clearly ahead.
If it wasn't for the large library, I might have long since moved away from the Xbox. And even more so without the children. Nevertheless, I'm currently not so sure whether I would buy a new Xbox again. You don't need a new Xbox to play existing games.
But the Xbox is primarily only used so much here because it's very lucrative as a family. Without the children, it would hardly play a role for me. I like Japanese games and the Xbox Series X is simply not the best console for that. There's a lot of stuff everywhere now, but it fails when it comes to exclusive games. That's where Nintendo and Sony are still clearly ahead.
If it wasn't for the large library, I might have long since moved away from the Xbox. And even more so without the children. Nevertheless, I'm currently not so sure whether I would buy a new Xbox again. You don't need a new Xbox to play existing games.
March Climber
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Apologies, just wanted to clarify that my response towards him and the thread was about digital purchases and not discs.
At best disc owners can hope that some sort of bar code -> digital transfer program is created when we eventually go all digital.
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FoxMcChief
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Nintendo?
Zacfoldor
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You obviously underestimate the number of Nintendo Switch games most of us have. I have so many carts I should get them insured.
RetroGamingUK
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If Switch 2 is BC and does indeed follow the PlayStation naming convention they could fuck up and still succeed.
GoldenEye98
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Yeah but for Nintendo it's a double-edged sword. How can they sell you a port for the 15th time if BC exists?
RetroGamingUK
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Hopefully they realise the stickiness on digital BC outweighs outselling shit.
I think they’re now run by a much smarter bunch than when Iwata (RIP) was in charge.
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StueyDuck
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I wouldn't put it past Nintendo to drop backwards compatibility again.
They already had a robust estore that they casually dumped with nothing carrying over
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GoldenEye98
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A non-trivial amount of their business is re-selling old games on a new platform...
RetroGamingUK
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Well it’s about balance isn’t it.
I wish Sony would put more PS1/PS2 games on the PS Store than they do.
FoxMcChief
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I own everything physically as well, cause Nintendo. But this was about digital libraries. Ain’t nobody buying digital Nintendo games!
RetroGamingUK
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I think Nintendo are about to have their smoothest console transition in history
- Simple naming… Switch > Switch 2
- BC, they’re sticking with nVidia for the forseeable
FoxMcChief
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God I hope so. GameCube to Wii was silky smooth.
bitbydeath
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I think people put too much stock in that people actually replay old games. I think this is restricted to hardcore gamers only, and even then that bucket is limited to a mere handful.
Who really has the time when most can barely keep up with new games or have backlogs?
Who really has the time when most can barely keep up with new games or have backlogs?
StereoVsn
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Don’t see it happening from Sony, maybe MS would do that.
kevboard
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for now. Nintendo already showed us that this can change real quick. Xbox Live 1.0 also had this issue (mostly with DLC in this case)
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RoboCain
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I've invested in all ecosystems and ever since the Steam Deck released I just realized than PC is the future one way or the other and stopped buying game from the other platforms all together.
Looking at the past couple of years you can tell companies also think this as well and that's why Xbox went hard on streaming, owning IPs and studios and anounce that they are going third party in the future. PS also expanded their business to be on PC as well.
Propietary hardware is done, and now there is an ecosystem race. Once there is infinite supply of hardware options to consume the content you own, and since games are no longer a commodity in the future people may choose a platform solely based on its ability to be accessed on a specific device.
Looking at the past couple of years you can tell companies also think this as well and that's why Xbox went hard on streaming, owning IPs and studios and anounce that they are going third party in the future. PS also expanded their business to be on PC as well.
Propietary hardware is done, and now there is an ecosystem race. Once there is infinite supply of hardware options to consume the content you own, and since games are no longer a commodity in the future people may choose a platform solely based on its ability to be accessed on a specific device.
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existensmaximum
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Well at least you can sell that license key unlike anything from Steam or other digital storefronts.
Last time I checked, the ps5 is for ratchet, spider man and astro, seriously! These are the only real ps5 games besides the reskined demon souls, can you be honest for a sec and tell me those 60 m Ps5 owners were expecting these 3 games only or they just made their decision for brand loyalty? Cause all the jokes about xbox seems on past tense.
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HogIsland
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that's not nothing, for sure. but it doesn't do much for game preservation.
Fahdis
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Mouthful incoming
*Me playing games on Nvidia Geforce Now Founders RTX 4080 on Ultra Quality DLSS/DLAA (Max Everything) GSync/Reflex through Steam/Epic/Xbox Live/Gog with a Dual Sense/Microsoft controller/KB/M (RTS only) on an LG OLED/AR Glasses or my Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra anywhere in the world At 4K/2K/Res of Hardware at 120/240 FPS - $90 for 6 Months on Ultra Tier*
You guys with your boxes are living in the past. I get a free upgrade to the 5080 next year as well or any 80 series card for free for life as long as the service remains online (their tiers are almost always sold out). Regional store pricing, free games and BC forever. FREE ONLINE. PC is the future.
2 Decades of PS and its ecosystem and it was a no-brainer to just move on. Hobbies aren't akin to breathing.
*Me playing games on Nvidia Geforce Now Founders RTX 4080 on Ultra Quality DLSS/DLAA (Max Everything) GSync/Reflex through Steam/Epic/Xbox Live/Gog with a Dual Sense/Microsoft controller/KB/M (RTS only) on an LG OLED/AR Glasses or my Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra anywhere in the world At 4K/2K/Res of Hardware at 120/240 FPS - $90 for 6 Months on Ultra Tier*
You guys with your boxes are living in the past. I get a free upgrade to the 5080 next year as well or any 80 series card for free for life as long as the service remains online (their tiers are almost always sold out). Regional store pricing, free games and BC forever. FREE ONLINE. PC is the future.
2 Decades of PS and its ecosystem and it was a no-brainer to just move on. Hobbies aren't akin to breathing.
Kataploom
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One of the reasons a console is not an option for my couch gaming is because I've already built a Steam library for years and don't want to split it, unless for an occasional gog purchase but even regional pricing on Steam has me not even bothering with gog anyway. And believe me, I'm in kinda urgency to build a smaller box since it's too big for the living room, so I rather wait a little more and build a mITX PC instead even tho that's more expensive.
ZehDon
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Of course. And they all know it. Xbox's Phil Spencer already confirmed Microsoft's understanding of this during the Redfall debacle: "We lost the worst generation to lose in the Xbox One generation where everybody built their digital library of games." One of the reasons for Xbox's industry leading backwards compatibility and services like Smart Delivery is to give people as many reasons as possible to stay with Xbox.
Outside of consoles, look at how hard Epic has worked to try and build even a small foothold in PC gaming - using Fortnite at the gateway to its store, and then giving away hundreds of millions in free games and buying up PC exclusives to try and get someone to stick with their store. And now Epic's highest profile partners are walking back their support because it's just straight up not working. You can't compete with Steam because, hey, why use three different stores with all of their non-sense when I can just use one?
I suspect this is a key driver in Xbox's shift to a PC-hybrid model: by side-loading Steam onto their hardware, they can leverage your Steam library to keep you in their ecosystem because PlayStation wouldn't allow Steam to operate on their console.
On a long enough time line, I imagine Steam and PlayStation's respectively established monopolies will become a problem.
Outside of consoles, look at how hard Epic has worked to try and build even a small foothold in PC gaming - using Fortnite at the gateway to its store, and then giving away hundreds of millions in free games and buying up PC exclusives to try and get someone to stick with their store. And now Epic's highest profile partners are walking back their support because it's just straight up not working. You can't compete with Steam because, hey, why use three different stores with all of their non-sense when I can just use one?
I suspect this is a key driver in Xbox's shift to a PC-hybrid model: by side-loading Steam onto their hardware, they can leverage your Steam library to keep you in their ecosystem because PlayStation wouldn't allow Steam to operate on their console.
On a long enough time line, I imagine Steam and PlayStation's respectively established monopolies will become a problem.
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existensmaximum
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Absolutely, nothing. I just meant that it's a lot closer to actually owning something than just keeping a game in your digital library.
midnightAI
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Shake Your Rump
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Griffon
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Not really.
Roblox has been megahuge for years and didn't feature in any of those stores for the longest time. On PC Fortnite isnt on Steam and is doing more than fine, same for many other games like League of Legends and others I forget.
As for myself, I would barely hesitate to buy a game outside of Steam if it's real good. Don't assume it's impossible just because EGS actively sucks donkey ass.
Roblox has been megahuge for years and didn't feature in any of those stores for the longest time. On PC Fortnite isnt on Steam and is doing more than fine, same for many other games like League of Legends and others I forget.
As for myself, I would barely hesitate to buy a game outside of Steam if it's real good. Don't assume it's impossible just because EGS actively sucks donkey ass.
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RetroGamingUK
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An interesting comparison here would be Apple and how they’ve managed to “trap” their customers into a “walled garden” ensuring brand loyalty