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[bender]

Hence all the remasters.

Kind of hard to believe that a bunch of enthusiast fans can get PS3 emulation working on much weaker hardware but Sony couldn't do an officially sanctioned emulator on the PS5 if they wanted to.

The sad truth is that putting time and effort into backwards compatibility isn't profitable and delivering backwards compatibility is more than just developing the emulator. Microsoft offered their program because the One was getting its' teeth kicked in and wanted some good will within its' audience. They also stopped adding additional titles to the program years ago. While classics got a stay of execution due to services like NSO and PS+ needing to bolster their catalogues, if these types of programs were profitable, the virtual console wouldn't have gone away, we'd have seen way more PS2 on PS4 titles, etc.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

So MS could get 360 games running in emulation on the One, but Sony can't get PS3 running on PS5?

To be fair, the architecture of the PS3 processor makes it significantly more difficult to port things. If they had to approach it in the way that Microsoft had to - essentially write an emulator on a per title basis - the process could be much more labour and time intensive than Microsoft's.

Also, Sony don't give a shit.

 

[Astray]

RPCS3 has 70% fully playable compatibility with PS3 games. No one's asking for every single PS3 game to be emulated, the Uncharted games already have remasters anyway.

But it's clear a majority of the library can be emulated successfully on much weaker Steam Deck caliber hardware. Again, you cannot tell me a PS5 couldn't have been able to do it, and better, via official emulation. RPCS3 is still a third party, user-driven, thing afterall.

RPCS3 is an emulator that doesn't take any money from you and thus gives you 0 QA. If something doesn't work then it's your problem until maybe they get around to fixing it or you find a way to fix it.

Sony took money from people and guaranteed that things would work on PS3, so if they can't do it reliably on PS5 and guarantee that it will universally work, then they will simply not do it, period.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

"Play the games the way you want to play them." unless you like physical media.

 

[adamsapple]

RPCS3 is an emulator that doesn't take any money from you and thus gives you 0 QA. If something doesn't work then it's your problem until maybe they get around to fixing it or you find a way to fix it.

Sony took money from people and guaranteed that things would work on PS3, so if they can't do it reliably on PS5 and guarantee that it will universally work, then they will simply not do it, period.

Ok? That's what some of us are saying. If the capability is there to run PS3 games on much weaker hardware, Sony in all their first-hand wisdom would be able to draw out much better results than any enthusiast fans would.

Just look at the state of Xbox emulation on PC and compare it with how well some of the marquee X360 games run on Series consoles.

The sad truth is that putting time and effort into backwards compatibility isn't profitable and delivering backwards compatibility is more than just developing the emulator. Microsoft offered their program because the One was getting its' teeth kicked in and wanted some good will within its' audience. They also stopped adding additional titles to the program years ago. While classics got a stay of execution due to services like NSO and PS+ needing to bolster their catalogues, if these types of programs were profitable, the virtual console wouldn't have gone away, we'd have seen way more PS2 on PS4 titles, etc.

Yes, like I said on the last page, they'd rather re-sell you remasters instead. That much is plainly obvious.

 

[bender]

Yes, like I said on the last page, they'd rather re-sell you remasters instead. That much is plainly obvious.

It has very little to do with remasters as most games will not receive them.

 

[adamsapple]

It has very little to do with remasters as most games will not receive them.

Which makes the case for not having some emulation even silly.

To the matter of profitability, having xyz number of games being able to run natively would also allow them to start selling them on the store. It's not like they'd be offering a whole catalog of PS3 games for free with the emulation update.

Using myself as an example of the demographic, I have bought more Xbox 360 games on Series consoles than I did on the Xbox 360 itself, cause it's convenient, those games are often on decent bite sized prices and many of them have enhancements over running them on the X360 itself.

I'm the kind of person who would jump at the chance to buy a bunch of PS3 games if they were offered in-store to play on native hardware instead of cloud streaming.

 

[bender]

Which makes the case for not having some emulation even silly.

To the matter of profitability, having xyz number of games being able to run natively would also allow them to start selling them on the store. It's not like they'd be offering a whole catalog of PS3 games for free with the emulation update.

Using myself as an example of the demographic, I have bought more Xbox 360 games on Series consoles than I did on the Xbox 360 itself, cause it's convenient, those games are often on decent bite sized prices and many of them have enhancements over running them on the X360 itself.

I'm the kind of person who would jump at the chance to buy a bunch of PS3 games if they were offered in-store to play on native hardware instead of cloud streaming.

The point is that it isn't driving console sales and isn't hugely profitable as standalone sales either. I'm not arguing against BC as I'd love it and it's why I love my Series X so much, but the reality is that backwards compatibility doesn't move the needle and why it's largely been walked away from by the big three outside of subscription services.

 

[adamsapple]

The point is that it isn't driving console sales and isn't hugely profitable as standalone sales either. I'm not arguing against BC as I'd love it and it's why I love my Series X so much, but the reality is that backwards compatibility doesn't move the needle and why it's largely been walked away from by the big three outside of subscription services.

I get what you're saying to an extent .. but let's be honest, they're not having any trouble selling these consoles. This could just be a good-will gesture move for long-term fans.

 

[Astray]

Ok? That's what some of us are saying. If the capability is there to run PS3 games on much weaker hardware, Sony in all their first-hand wisdom would be able to draw out much better results than any enthusiast fans would.

Just look at the state of Xbox emulation on PC and compare it with how well some of the marquee X360 games run on Series consoles.

If they can't reliably bring these games back at either their original performances (or better) then they simply won't do it, releasing an emulator that barely touches the original performance is just asking for trouble imo. I say that knowing that I actually want them to do it, because I have a physical PS3 library I'd like to play through for old time's sake without booting up my Slim PS3.

Also the state of Xbox emulation on PC is the way it is because most of the big and really desirable games on Xbox either have PC versions already or work excellent via backcompat, especially the XB360 era. If it had more "trapped" games it would have generated a much bigger emulation scene.

 

[bender]

I get what you're saying to an extent .. but let's be honest, they're not having any trouble selling these consoles. This could just be a good-will gesture move for long-term fans.

They could do a lot of things, but sadly they deem this unnecessary. Just look at what that goodwill did for Xbox One/Series and what Xbox did with that program. The reality is most of the audience doesn't care (again, sadly).

 

[Mr Reasonable]

let's be honest, they're not having any trouble selling these consoles. This could just be a good-will gesture move for long-term fans.

"And we make more money?"

"No, it's a goodwill gesture, you know, the fans will like it!"

"Next on the agenda?"

 

[EN250]

What the hell are you talking about? It’s called backwards compatibility with their next hardware. Why else do you think he was talking about digital?

oh, thought it was about the "hypothetical" of no xbox HW anymore so where the hell people would play their games going forward when being part of the Xbox ecosystem but with no new HW to play those games with, my bad

 

[spons]

So MS could get 360 games running in emulation on the One, but Sony can't get PS3 running on PS5?

They can, they just don't want to.

 

[spons]

Let's be frank here, Sony has the full documentation of the PS3 from the transistor level all the way to the highest level of APIs. They could write a compatibility layer if they gave a shit. It's just that they don't.

 

[Det]

Damage control

 

[Ar¢tos]

A PC emulator isn't comparable to what the original manufacturer of the device could do. Xbox emulation on PC is a mess, yet MS got the Xbox emulated on the 360 (Intel OoOE to PowerPC In-order and Nvidia to ATI). PS3 could easily be emulated on PS5 if Sony really wanted to. They'd rather sell you the game again rather than let you play what you've already bought.

A single PowerPC core is much easier to emulate than a CELL processor with 6 SPEs.

Ok? That's what some of us are saying. If the capability is there to run PS3 games on much weaker hardware, Sony in all their first-hand wisdom would be able to draw out much better results than any enthusiast fans would.

Just look at the state of Xbox emulation on PC and compare it with how well some of the marquee X360 games run on Series consoles.



Yes, like I said on the last page, they'd rather re-sell you remasters instead. That much is plainly obvious.

Let me quickly buy Folklore, Socom, MAG, God of War Ascension and Puppeteer!
Oh wait...

Let's be frank here, Sony has the full documentation of the PS3 from the transistor level all the way to the highest level of APIs. They could write a compatibility layer if they gave a shit. It's just that they don't.

They could,...
But considering the differences between a x86 processor and the CELL with its SPEs with their different instruction sets, there is no guarantee the performance would acceptable.
The CPU in the PS3 was doing basically GPU work, can a x86 processor do the same job?
PC has the ability to brute force a lot of things, a console like the PS5 not so much.

 

[adamsapple]

Let me quickly buy Folklore, Socom, MAG, God of War Ascension and Puppeteer!
Oh wait...

Dude come on, obviously the implication in my post is that those games could/would then be put back on the store.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

He's like the Pachter of gaming analysis or Cramer of stocks. Pick the opposite and win every time. The only digital library that's safe is probably your windows xbox app library.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

didnt read, not sure what hes talking about precisely, but...

unless there are laws protecting digital libraries, its not safe

 

[Bungie]

He has already said they are going all out on hardware, why would he repeat himself? The reach you take from Phil not bringing up hardware is insane, Xboxs future on NeoGAF is the Activision situation all over again.

I personally see nothing but reassurance & no matter how much you repeat that Xbox going full 3rd party narrative, won't make it true.

 

[Nydius]

That is some serious corporate-speak word salad by Phil. It addresses absolutely nothing. Defines nothing. Outlines no future strategy outside of buzzwords like "the cloud".

Regardless, it's blatantly obvious at this point that it would be asinine to buy any digital games on the Xbox platform because there's no guarantees you'll have access to them in the future outside of Windows PC integration and/or cloud streaming.

 

[bitbydeath]

Fortunately we have a product for people that aren't able to connect to cloud, it's called Xbox Series.

All that talk of working on new hardware and that new hardware lives in the cloud is such a Microsoft thing to do.

 

[Mr Moose]

He has already said they are going all out on hardware, why would he repeat himself? The reach you take from Phil not bringing up hardware is insane, Xboxs future on NeoGAF is the Activision situation all over again.

I personally see nothing but reassurance & no matter how much you repeat that Xbox going full 3rd party narrative, won't make it true.

Nobody tell him.

 

[reinking]

All I'm wondering is how long it'll be before they drop the XBOX moniker completely?

Would it matter? Xbox has lost its meaning.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

He has already said they are going all out on hardware, why would he repeat himself? The reach you take from Phil not bringing up hardware is insane, Xboxs future on NeoGAF is the Activision situation all over again.

I personally see nothing but reassurance & no matter how much you repeat that Xbox going full 3rd party narrative, won't make it true.

No matter how much Xbox brass says they are still making hardware people here will just call them liars so it doesnt really matter

 

[mayham2199]

No matter how much Xbox brass says they are still making hardware people here will just call them liars so it doesnt really matter

To be fair it doesn't help when even Mike says it's obvious they are leaving hardware.

Damage control

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Phil always drops nuggets of the truth in his lies. The only surprise is that people still just believe the lie. I'm sure he himself so confused as to why people don't pick up on the things he actually says. Like the 4 games. He never promised there would only be 4 games. He said the 4 games weren't a promise that everything was going over, but it was a clue that they probably were if you were paying attention.

The playbook Microsoft is following for Xbox is page for page the same playbook as the Zune. Before trying to become the netflix of gaming, Microsoft had attempted to get into the spotify game just like Apple Music. It did not turn out well for people who purchased music from them.

There might be a new Xbox handheld, but I doubt there will be a traditional console ever again. At best you're looking at a premium PC.

Remember all the shill websites saying Windows Phone 8 would overtake Android?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

To be fair it doesn't help when even Mike says it's obvious they are leaving hardware.

The CEO of Prizepicks who couldn't get a job in his true passion of games after he was forced out at Activision?

Mike is not happy with the people at Xbox and I will leave it at that

 

[m14]

I get what you're saying to an extent .. but let's be honest, they're not having any trouble selling these consoles. This could just be a good-will gesture move for long-term fans.

Remember what wee Jim Ryan said about PS1/2 games?

 

[RetroGamingUK]

What the hell are you talking about? It’s called backwards compatibility with their next hardware. Why else do you think he was talking about digital?

Tried buying an Xbox with a disc drive lately?

 

[Grizzled Ghost]

Folks buying physical xbox games this gen will be screwed.

How so? Phil's not going to kick down your door and steal your Xbox.

 

[semiconscious]

i'm having a deadly premonition:

'& now's the time to join with me
& kiss off exclusivity'...

so says mr. phillip wesley spencer iii...

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Ok yet I can't access certain games without having xbox.