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[mrklaw]

perplexity, several people with the A1/XA1 actually prefer the component output. A lot depends on how your display deals with the different outputs.

and you don't need 1080p. At all. Movies are 24p. They'll be output as 1080i/60, which can be perfectly recreated by a good display to 1080p/24 - *exactly* the same as the original movie frames.

1080p is just marketing spin right now.

and if you use VGA, you can get DVDs upscaled to the native resolution of your display - current X360 does that *very* well.

 

[heavy liquid]

Hmm, I wonder if you could work around the DVD upscaling only through VGA with a VGA to component converter? They're expensive, though (for a good one). http://www.smarthome.com/777060.html

 

[Arsenal]

Unless HD formats lose entirely, how can BD lose?

Studios can switch their support very easily since all the codecs for both formats are the same. They will follow the money. Right now, the money is being spend on HD DVD movies.

Blu-Ray is EXTREMELY reliant on PS3 owners buying movies. I dunno, I have my doubts that they will be out there in droves deciding the format war, especially after the novelty wears off. Sony seems to have made sacrifices in their stand alone systems (and their partners') in order to get the PS3 out the doro and IMO that will end up hurting the format's chances in the long run. Toshiba is killing them in the stand alone player market - those are the people who go buy movies on a consistent, regular basis.

 

[Alcibiades]

Currently Available
16 Blocks (Warner) <- COMBO
Aeon Flux (Paramount)
Animal House (Universal) <- COMBO
Apollo 13 (Universal)
Assault on Precinct 13 (Universal)
ATL (Warner) <- COMBO
Backdraft (Universal)
Best of Get Out! Vol. 1 (HDNet)
Best of Get Out! Vol. 2 (HDNet)
Best of HDNet World Report Vol. 1 (HDNet)
Best of HDNet World Report Vol. 2 (HDNet)
Blazing Saddles (Warner)
Bone Collector (Universal)
Bourne Supremacy (Universal)
Caddyshack (Warner)
Cinderella Man (Universal)
Chronicles of Riddick (Universal)
Constantine (Warner)
Doom (Universal)
Dukes of Hazzard (Warner)
Enter the Dragon (Warner)
Firewall (Warner) <- COMBO
Four Brothers (Paramount)
Friday Night Lights (Universal)
The Fugitive (Warner)
Full Metal Jacket (Warner)
Good Night, and Good Luck (Warner) <- COMBO
Goodfellas (Warner)
Guitarscape Planet (Concert Hot Spot)
Happy Gilmore (Universal)
House of Wax (Warner)
Italian Job (Paramount)
Jarhead (Universal)
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (Warner) <- COMBO
Lara Croft: Tomb Raider (Paramount)
Last Samurai (Warner)
Lethal Weapon (Warner)
Lethal Weapon 2 (Warner)
The Manchurian Canidate (Paramount)
Million Dollar Baby (Warner)
Perfect Storm (Warner)
Phantom of the Opera (Warner)
Pitch Black (Universal)
Ray (Universal)
Red Dragon (Universal)
Rumor Has It (Warner) <- COMBO
Rundown (Universal)
Sahara (Paramount)
Seabiscuit (Universal)
The Searchers (Warner)
Serenity (Universal)
Sky Captain and the World of Tommorow (Paramount)
Sleepy Hollow (Paramount)
Space Cowboys (Warner)
Spy Game (Universal)
Swordfish (Warner)
Syriana (Warner)
Traffic (Universal)
Training Day (Warner)
Troy (Warner)
U-571 (Universal)
U2: Rattle and Hum (Paramount)
Unforgiven (Warner)
Unleashed (Universal) <- COMBO
Van Helsing (Universal)
View From Space With Heavenly Music (Concert Hot Spot)
We Were Soldiers (Paramount)
World Extreme Cagefighting: Unfinished Business 2 (HDNet)


9/26/2006
2 Fast 2 Furious (Universal)
Adventures of Robin Hood (Warner)
Dazed and Confused (Universal) <- COMBO
Dirty Dozen (Warner)
End of Days (Universal)
The Fast and the Furious (Universal)
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (Universal)
Grand Prix (Warner)
Lakehouse (Warner) <- COMBO
Land of the Dead, George A. Romero's (Universal) <- COMBO
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (Warner)
Tokyo Drift, The Fast and the Furious (Universal) <- COMBO

10/3/2006
The New Orleans Concert (Concert Hot Spot) <- COMBO
The Pat Metheny Group: The Way Up (Eagle Rock)

10/10/2006
Army of Darkness (Universal) <- COMBO
Batman Begins (Warner)
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (Warner)
Corpse Bride, Tim Burton's (Warner)
Fast Times at Ridgemont High (Universal) <-COMBO
The Polar Express (Warner)
Waist Deep (Universal) <- COMBO
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (Warner)

10/17/2006
The Breakup (Universal) <- COMBO

10/24/2006
12 Monkeys (Universal)
Interpreter (Universal)
Nacho Libre (Paramount)
Out of Sight (Universal)
Slither (Universal) <- COMBO
Spartacus (Universal)
The Thing (Universal) <- COMBO

10/30/2006
Mission: Impossible - Ultimate Missions Collection (Paramount)
Mission: Impossible 3 (Paramount)

10/31/2006
Antarctica Dreaming (Ryko) <- COMBO
Exotic Saltwater Aquarium (Ryko) <- COMBO
Fireplace: Visions of Tranquility (Ryko) <- COMBO
Visions of Sea: Exploration (Ryko) <- COMBO

11/7/2006
Reds (Paramount)
Sopranos Season 6, Part 1 (HBO)

11/14/2006
Accepted (Universal) <- COMBO
Barry Manilow: Manilow Live! (Image)
Chicago and Earth, Wind & Fire: Live at the Greek (Image)
Cream- Live at the Royal Albert Hall (Rhino)
The Eagles - Live In Melbourne (Rhino)
Heart: Alive in Seattle (Image)
James Taylor: A MusiCares Person of the Year Tribute (Rhino)
King Kong (Universal)
Waterworld (Universal)

11/21/2006
How the Grinch Stole Christmas (Universal) <- COMBO
You, Me, and Dupree (Universal) <- COMBO

11/28/2006
An American Werewolf in London (Universal) <- COMBO
Clerks 2 (Weinstein Co.)
Dune (Universal)
Meet the Parents (Universal)
The Mummy (Universal)
Superman (Warner)
Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut (Warner)
Superman Returns (Warner) <- COMBO

12/5/2006
Clerks 2 (Weinstein Co.)
Derailed (Weinstein Co.)
Poseidon (Warner)
Scary Movie 4 (Weinstein Co.)
Wolf Creek (Weinstein Co.)

12/12/2006
DOA: Dead or Alive (Weinstein Co.)

12/26/2006
Matador (Weinstein Co.)
Pulse (Weinstein Co.)


Universal - 29.98 Catalog, 34.98 COMBO Catalog, 39.98 COMBO New Release
Warner - 28.99 Catalog, 34.99 New Release, 39.99 COMBO New Release
Paramount - 29.98 List
Concert Hot Spot - 29.98 List
BCI - 24.98 List
HDNet - 14.95 List (only available on hd.net)
HBO - 129.95 Season Release
Eagle Rock Entertainment - 24.98 List
Image Entertainment - 24.99 List
Ryko - 29.95 List

 

[Baker]

perplexity, several people with the A1/XA1 actually prefer the component output. A lot depends on how your display deals with the different outputs.

and you don't need 1080p. At all. Movies are 24p. They'll be output as 1080i/60, which can be perfectly recreated by a good display to 1080p/24 - *exactly* the same as the original movie frames.

1080p is just marketing spin right now.

and if you use VGA, you can get DVDs upscaled to the native resolution of your display - current X360 does that *very* well.

I don't use vga cables. My HLR56 just has the crap vga input and not dvi.

It does sound promising that component will still look good with hddvd. I'm pissed that it won't upconvert, but at least then I won't have three hdmi machines and only one input on the tv.

I'm a big video quality whore, I just could never get into it enough to sit at avsforums all day, hence why I'm sounding a little retarded lately. So I guess if there really isn't a difference between the picture quality of hdmi and component, I'll suck it up and go the 360 route for now.

 

[TheJesusFactor]

perplexity, several people with the A1/XA1 actually prefer the component output. A lot depends on how your display deals with the different outputs.

and you don't need 1080p. At all. Movies are 24p. They'll be output as 1080i/60, which can be perfectly recreated by a good display to 1080p/24 - *exactly* the same as the original movie frames.

1080p is just marketing spin right now.

and if you use VGA, you can get DVDs upscaled to the native resolution of your display - current X360 does that *very* well.

I think this fact needs to be repeated.

1080i = great for movies
1080p = you will only notice ingames running at 60 fps, but a useless format for movies.

 

[Baker]

I think this fact needs to be repeated.

1080i = great for movies
1080p = you will only notice ingames running at 60 fps, but a useless format for movies.

I'm sure I could google this quicker than typing a message, but oh well...

Is there a site that's easier to navigate than avsforums that shows side by side comparisons of 1080i movies being played through component and hdmi?

I know the player being used can also cause a quality difference, but I'd just like to see. All I'm really trying to figure out is if I want the 360 or HD-A2 player this year.

 

[Alcibiades]

http://home.businesswire.com/portal...d=news_view&newsId=20060928005781&newsLang=en

# HP Pavilion dv9000t Series Entertainment Notebook PC – which makes it easy to handle demanding applications with its combination of innovative digital entertainment features and blazingly fast multi-tasking performance via Intel® Core™ 2 Duo mobile technology.(2) Cinema-quality viewing is delivered with a 17-inch diagonal high-definition BrightView widescreen display with optional HP Ultra BrightView dual-lamp technology. An integrated HDMI port enables true HD content playback on a high-definition TV or monitor.(3)

# HP Pavilion Media Center TV m7600n Series PC – which takes movie watching to a new level with its HD-DVD high-definition DVD player, Intel Viiv™ technology and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor, wireless home networking,(4) and 7.1 surround sound. Users can enjoy high-definition movie playback(3) with six times better resolution than standard DVD. In addition, the built-in TV tuner NPSC and personal video recorder allow users to simply watch, pause, rewind and record live television. The new HP Pavilion Media Center TV PC paired with HP’s new w22 flat panel HD-ready monitor completes the HD movie experience.

# HP High Definition DVD-ROM Drive – which provides the superior picture quality of high-def movies(5) in a portable device for use with widescreen notebooks. The external drive offers advanced interactivity; for example, users can access the Internet(6) and chat while watching a movie, or play games that are seamlessly integrated into a movie. Backwards compatible, the drive not only supports new HD DVDs, but also regular CDs and DVDs.

 

[mrklaw]

I'm sure I could google this quicker than typing a message, but oh well...

Is there a site that's easier to navigate than avsforums that shows side by side comparisons of 1080i movies being played through component and hdmi?

I know the player being used can also cause a quality difference, but I'd just like to see. All I'm really trying to figure out is if I want the 360 or HD-A2 player this year.

no - too much depends on the player but also your TV.

really, HDMI is just there for studio copy protection. Component has plenty of bandwidth to carry the information you need without degradation. I doubt you'd be able to tell the difference unless you have a particularly unlucky TV. In fact HDMI might look *worse* than component - dont' assume its better just because its digital.

It will eventually replace most video connections and its convenient, but it needs a few years of ironing out the standards and making support more common first.




component for video, coax/optical for audio - perfectly lovely.

 

[heavy liquid]

no - too much depends on the player but also your TV.

really, HDMI is just there for studio copy protection. Component has plenty of bandwidth to carry the information you need without degradation. I doubt you'd be able to tell the difference unless you have a particularly unlucky TV. In fact HDMI might look *worse* than component - dont' assume its better just because its digital.

It will eventually replace most video connections and its convenient, but it needs a few years of ironing out the standards and making support more common first.




component for video, coax/optical for audio - perfectly lovely.

Thank you... This cannot be emphasized enough. Too many people assume that HDMI is the be all end all.

 

[Tenacious-V]

Thank you... This cannot be emphasized enough. Too many people assume that HDMI is the be all end all.

Exactly...

HDMI.

 

[AgentOtaku]

Exactly...

HDMI.

:lol

 

[Alcibiades]

quick reactions to some HD DVDs:

T3 - Film B+, picture/audio B+
Seabiscuit - Film B+, picture/audio A
Dazed and Confused - Film B, picuture/audio B
Adventures of Robin Hood - Film B+, picture/audio A
The Searchers - Film B+, picture/audio A
Serenity - Film A, picture/audio A

I graded older films on a curve in terms of picture and audio AND how good I thought they were, I'm not implying Adventures of Robin Hood looks as good as T3, but at the same time I'm not exactly giving points for impact on cinema (if I was, Adventures of Robin Hood would be A+ probably...) but that does factor in somewhat (so I'm not giving it a B- for production values cause the costumes and set aren't LOTR-calibur)... complicated but I take everything into account, with 80% being how much I enjoyed the film...

BTW, I own a 27 in. LCD Westinghouse television (720p), not exactly state of the art, but even on something like that I notice a difference between SD and HD, and in fact so does my roomate, who loves my HD discs and says he can really see a difference... probably something that affects the viewing is how far one sits away... we're in a really small dorm room so you kind have to sit closer to the TV anyhow than in a regular living room, but either way, the difference is noticable, particularly how SD seems to look blurry after watching HD...

 

[jett]

Anyone know where I could see some pics of Batman Begins in HD?

 

[Alcibiades]

just leaked:

V for Vendetta (including exclusive hi-def IME feature)
Under Siege
Excalibur


Damn, interested in all 3, but since I my friend (as well as online sites) made a big deal about V for Vendetta will probably go for that one...

 

[Nemrael]

Anyone know where I could see some pics of Batman Begins in HD?

There's a HD trailer on the quicktime website here - http://www.apple.com/quicktime/guide/hd/batmanbegins.html

 

[Captain N]

will I be able to plug in my 360 HD DVD add on to a standard TV and watch the movies? I heard BluRay movies can only be watched through HDMI.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

will I be able to plug in my 360 HD DVD add on to a standard TV and watch the movies? I heard BluRay movies can only be watched through HDMI.

why would you buy an HDDVD player if you only have a standard tv?

 

[K_S]

will I be able to plug in my 360 HD DVD add on to a standard TV and watch the movies? I heard BluRay movies can only be watched through HDMI.

what the **** would be the point to watch HD movies on a standard tv? christ...

 

[Captain N]

what the **** would be the point to watch HD movies on a standard tv? christ...

I don't mean a standard tv..I mean a tv that doesn't have HDMI...it still does 1080P..I don't need HDMI to enjoy the movie, right?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I don't mean a standard tv..I mean a tv that doesn't have HDMI...it still does 1080P..I don't need HDMI to enjoy the movie, right?

for 360 i think you'd need the VGA cable. if you're tv doesn't have one of those i dont' know why you'd buy a 1080p television with no HDMI or even VGA.

 

[pestul]

They make 1080p tvs that don't have HDMI? :X

 

[Alcibiades]

I think I just shot a load w/ that Casablanca boxart...

I'm glad I waited on this and sold my old regular DVD (never bought the special edition DVD). This movie is gonna own, even if not really meant for HD, it's one of the best movies ever...

 

[Alcibiades]

old news but at least there is finally a date:

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6383591.html

Warner Home Video is set to release the first high-definition TV DVD title, Smallville: The Complete Fifth Season, on HD DVD on Nov. 28.

Smallville (prebook Oct. 24), priced at $79.98, will contain such format-exclusive features as a documentary that viewers can enjoy while they simultaneously watch the TV series.

what sucks is they aren't starting with Season 1... I definitely don't want a split collection, so I'm probably gonna wait for them to release Season 1 before I jump in... that or I might borrow them and start at Season 5, but I won't start watching right in the middle... Same with Sopranos whenever they release that...

 

[Alcibiades]

old news but at least there is finally a date:

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6383591.html



what sucks is they aren't starting with Season 1... I definitely don't want a split collection, so I'm probably gonna wait for them to release Season 1 before I jump in... that or I might borrow them and start at Season 5, but I won't start watching right in the middle... Same with Sopranos whenever they release that...

woops, seems that date is wrong

Feb. is so far away...

 

[Cold-Steel]

just leaked:

V for Vendetta (including exclusive hi-def IME feature)
Under Siege
Excalibur


Damn, interested in all 3, but since I my friend (as well as online sites) made a big deal about V for Vendetta will probably go for that one...

YES! I can get Segal in 1080p at last!

 

[Alcibiades]

nevermind, looks like the date is November 28th:

http://dvd.themanroom.com/dvd-detail.php?id=3290

Too bad it's not Season 1 (or 2 since I think that's the first season they did w/ hi-def cameras).

I'd love to get these since I really want some TV, but I'm probably gonna wait for Season 1 (and rumors are Battlestar Galactica is gonna start w/ the first season)...

 

[M3wThr33]

How many discs is Smallville on?
Edit: 5
Hmm, I guess the more I think about it, the more that the disc number is going to remain consistent from here on out.

 

[Alcibiades]

5 discs (each 30 GB).

i'm sure not every disc is filled to the top as you can't stop episodes mid-way...

 

[M3wThr33]

Can't stop episodes mid-way? What the HELL does that mean?

 

[Alcibiades]

Well, let's say each episode is 8 GB exactly, that means you could fit 3 episodes on a 30 GB disc (24 GB total). 4 episodes would go over (32 GB), so at that point, you start in a new disc. So even though you get 5 discs, you don't get 150 GB of disc usage.

 

[M3wThr33]

Oh, you mean can't put a fraction of an episode on the disc...

 

[racerx77]

(can 1080p sets even accept 1080p over component?)

Some sets can. Very few mind you, but the answer is yes.
Cantian N..What TV do you have that does 1080p and has no HDMI?! Never heard of one like that.

 

[Zaptruder]

Studios can switch their support very easily since all the codecs for both formats are the same. They will follow the money. Right now, the money is being spend on HD DVD movies.

Blu-Ray is EXTREMELY reliant on PS3 owners buying movies. I dunno, I have my doubts that they will be out there in droves deciding the format war, especially after the novelty wears off. Sony seems to have made sacrifices in their stand alone systems (and their partners') in order to get the PS3 out the doro and IMO that will end up hurting the format's chances in the long run. Toshiba is killing them in the stand alone player market - those are the people who go buy movies on a consistent, regular basis.

Man... what a late reply.

Anyway... whatever numbers HD-DVD are doing NOW in this early portion of the game...

it's for naught. It's sales in the 5 digit range. When the PS3 roles into town, by end of next year, the figures for HD players will be more likely in the 8 figure range. 10,000,000 HD capable players on market. And most of those will be PS3s.

No matter how well you think they can do, they simply can't beat that kind of simple maths. Even if a majority of PS3 owners don't embrace BD, just a fraction is all that's needed from that massive group to quash HD-DVD numbers.

The thing that gets me is that... I don't really hate HD-DVD per se; there's nothing to hate... but all the hope and support it gets... will not only be rendered meaningless in less then a year... but it'll be the thorn that might cause the industry to continue to remain splintered.

Unless you're a really hardcore HD fanatic, have the money, and you just HAVE TO experience HD stuff now... I just don't see why you'd be making decisions on a fledgling format right now; much easier to see things play out while problems are rooted out.

Even if by some freak chance, BD manages to lose despite it's combination of overwhelming advantages... HD-DVD would be forced into a situation similar to what BD to HD-DVD should be in; universal the stubborn hold out studio will be replaced by Sony-Columbia Tristar... indeed, they'll be even more stubborn to make the change to HD-DVD then universal are.

But what will likely happen... if HD-DVD is successful at gaining significant traction... is that hybrid players will become the standard. But even that is far from a great solution... it'll mean all the early players and indeed all the BD players on the PS3 become outdated; would mean tens of millions of consumers lose out...

Well... if it comes to that, it would suck for me... having to wait until those hybrid players come out with good performance at low prices (sub 200 prices).

 

[Alcibiades]

-Black Rain (1989) and Failure To Launch on HD DVD, January 23 and February 6

-Jet Li's Fearless COMBO - 12/19

-World Trade Center, arrives as a two-disc HD DVD & Commemorative Edition DVD on December 12, 2006 from Paramount Home Entertainment.

-Universal Studios Home Video have announced the HD DVD release of Brokeback Mountain (Collector’s Edition) for 23rd January 2007

-Image Entertainment has announced that Discovery Atlas: China Revealed HD DVD will be available at retail starting December 12 (day-and-date with the DVD's retail debut), while Discovery Atlas: Australia Revealed, Discovery Atlas: Italy Revealed and Discovery Atlas: Brazil Revealed HD DVDs will be available at retail starting January 16, 2007. On the same day, a boxset containing all 4 HD DVDs is expected to be available at retail and will cost $99.95 SRP. Cover artwork previews below...

-and finally, Weinstein Co. confirmed dates:

December 5, 2006

* Derailed (Unrated)
* Matador, The
* Scary Movie 4 (Theatrical)
* Wolf Creek (Unrated)

January 2, 2007

* Clerks II
* Lucky Number Slevin
* Pulse




Since I recently went on a buying spree using Google checkout (bought a few DVD/HD DVD COMBO discs for just a little over $20 a pop, and did a few $20 disc + $10 DC graphic novel going just over the $30 mark), I'm gonna slow down big time except for essentials for November: King Kong, Superman movies, Casablanca

Pretty excited about what I've got in the mail though: V for Vendetta, Tokyo Drift, Pitch Black, Good Night, and Good Luck, The Breakup, and The Thing (even though I don't like scary movies, the good word-of-mouth on the movie itself and me liking sci-fi, I decided to give it a shot)...

 

[deamentia]

Hey Alcibiades,

Have you seen the Mission Impossible collection for HDDVD anywhere? I can't seem to find it at any retailer!

 

[Alcibiades]

naw, I heard from other forums that it was $90 at Circuit City and I think $59 at Wal-Mart, but I order all my stuff online, also heard some people found it at Best Buy but it was expensive (not sure their store price is)

I got it from amazon.com had a special price a few weeks ago (I think like $56), and got it for like $50 after the 10% off deal

should be getting it any day now


I recommend buy.com if the Google Checkout $10 OFF deal is still working (doesn't show on buy.com site but when you try to use the google checkout you'll see it on their site).

 

[Raistlin]

They make 1080p tvs that don't have HDMI? :X

Cantian N..What TV do you have that does 1080p and has no HDMI?! Never heard of one like that.

I'm guessing he's got a hell-a-expensive CRT front projector (9+" CRT's). There are some that go ABOVE 1080p 0_o

 

[deamentia]

naw, I heard from other forums that it was $90 at Circuit City and I think $59 at Wal-Mart, but I order all my stuff online, also heard some people found it at Best Buy but it was expensive (not sure their store price is)

I got it from amazon.com had a special price a few weeks ago (I think like $56), and got it for like $50 after the 10% off deal

should be getting it any day now


I recommend buy.com if the Google Checkout $10 OFF deal is still working (doesn't show on buy.com site but when you try to use the google checkout you'll see it on their site).

Niice. Thanks matey!

 

[Leatherface]

When do we get a HDDVD movie screenshot thread?

 

[jett]

Do any of the HD-DVD fanbois here own Batman Begins?

 

[OverHeat]

Do any of the HD-DVD fanbois here own Batman Begins?

I do

 

[Bebpo]

I think this fact needs to be repeated.

1080i = great for movies
1080p = you will only notice ingames running at 60 fps, but a useless format for movies.

Maybe I'm just crazy, but I thought the real need for 1080p TVs was that most of the 1080i sets that existed before 720p took the mainstream were not 1920 x 1080 and so 1080i material wasn't bringing you images at that very high resolution but something more akin to 1280x720. I thought that 1080p sets were the first mainstream sets that actually had 1920x1080 pixels and gave you the full detailed image.

 

[AgentOtaku]

When do we get a HDDVD movie screenshot thread?

thats what I'm screamin!

 

[Matrix]

Do any of the HD-DVD fanbois here own Batman Begins?

I do,but I cant watch it till my 360 add on arrives

 

[jett]

I do

Awesome, got a question for ya. Is the soundmix the same as the DVD? The volume of the music was lowered quite a bit for the DVD release, compared to the theatrical cut. I'm wondering if they changed it again for the HD release.

I loved how overpowering the soundtrack was at the theaters and was gravely disappointed when I found the pussyfied soundmix on the DVD. :| Made me sad I didn't watch it more times at the cinema.

 

[Raistlin]

Maybe I'm just crazy, but I thought the real need for 1080p TVs was that most of the 1080i sets that existed before 720p took the mainstream were not 1920 x 1080 and so 1080i material wasn't bringing you images at that very high resolution but something more akin to 1280x720. I thought that 1080p sets were the first mainstream sets that actually had 1920x1080 pixels and gave you the full detailed image.

In general ... you are correct about '1080i' TV's not really being able to resolve that resolution.




As far as whether a 1080p input is important for a 1080p games (other than for games) ... that is a difficult question to answer.

It is dependent on what is output from the HD-DVD or BluRay player (and how it got to be in that form) ... and the actual video processing and available framerates on your TV.

It's a bit of a debacle right now.

 

[racerx77]

Maybe I'm just crazy, but I thought the real need for 1080p TVs was that most of the 1080i sets that existed before 720p took the mainstream were not 1920 x 1080 and so 1080i material wasn't bringing you images at that very high resolution but something more akin to 1280x720. I thought that 1080p sets were the first mainstream sets that actually had 1920x1080 pixels and gave you the full detailed image.

NO you're right. 1080i on all sets I have seen are down rezzed to 1280x720 (save the odd resolution of a few sets..)
I just got the mitsubishi 65731 and there is a NIGHT and DAY difference with a 1080p image.

 

[AlanHemberger]

Will Lost appear on HD DVD or Blu Ray? Or is it a toss up at this point? Has it been announced?

 

[mrklaw]

Maybe I'm just crazy, but I thought the real need for 1080p TVs was that most of the 1080i sets that existed before 720p took the mainstream were not 1920 x 1080 and so 1080i material wasn't bringing you images at that very high resolution but something more akin to 1280x720. I thought that 1080p sets were the first mainstream sets that actually had 1920x1080 pixels and gave you the full detailed image.

the comment you quoted wasn't about TVs, it was about player outputs.

TVs/Projectors with 1080 lines (i.e. 1080p) are needed to resolve the full detail, as you say. But for movies, you only need to output a 1080i signal that can still carry the full 1080p movie information.

this is because movies are 24p and 1080i is 60i, so you use two i frames to make one p frame (roughly)