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HD graphics. Will Revolution be better off without them?
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SolidSnakex
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Oblivion said:
It depends on whether or not Nintendo would push that as a focus of hyping their system. When the PS2 came out a big part of it was Sony pushing that it was the most powerful system on the market again and again and the public went with it. If Nintendo were to do the samething they could have consumers believe it, but the question would be whether or not Nintendo would do that.
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Speevy said:
are you saying the revolution isnt real?
HomerSimpson-Man
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xsarien said:
Whatever the heart desires, it's a grand choice!!
marc^o^ said:
Amir0x, what a disappointing post. There's no problem to be had enjoying Nintendogs. Sure it's not a sleeper hit, but if this game doesn't wow you or at least give you a smile on your face, then you are way too cynical (don't you take games too seriously?)Amir0x said:
Nintendogs wowed Famitsu, most US web sites including Gamespot, +4 million customers, making it by far the best system seller of the year. Do we all have a problem? Nintendogs is full of heart & craft and I'm happy I played this game, even for the few hours its magic lasted. It will be the first one I'll give my daughter when she is old enough. "Set the standard that low" you say? It seems you're missing the whole picture. Nintendo is an "and" company and they'll always provide games for all their targets. It's not as if they concentrated so much efforts on Nintendogs they couldn't offer us Mario Kart, Kirby, Animal Crossing, Mario & Luigi, Advance Wars or Jump Superstar in the same year. It needs to be said again: variety is a blessing. Open your mind, at least tolerate what can be appreciated by other people than you.
We do agree on one point though: this HD discussion is sterile until we see Rev games in motion with the revmote in the hand.
Milhouse31 said:
Three things: one, to really compare in this manner, you have to blow that first image up to the same size of the last two. You are playing them on the same size set, and the main issue is that the pixels get bigger in a lower-res image. By showing the lower-res image at the same pixel size (rather than the same screen size), you make it look better than it really is (unless you are actually playing it on a four-inch monitor).
Two, most TV sets (especially HD ones) are a lot larger than computer monitors, so the big honking pixels are even more pronounced. Anyone who thinks that 480 lines of resolution is "plenty" on a 40-60" television is, to put it bluntly, blind.
Three, if it's really no big deal, then do you typically play PC games at 640x480? If not, then why?
marc^o^ said:
Of course I'm cynical. I also think Nintendogs is a hilarious joke perpetuated to undermine the Nintendo fanbase even further, but hey! Keep enjoying them if that's what you like. If Tamagotchi's with N64 visuals, touchscreen petting and more lame item collection is a quality product for you then, as they say, whatever floats your boat!
marc^o^ said:
Fuck yes! You guys all have a problem! Same goes for Animal Crossing. If you like it, you're no better than the people who eat up backstreet boys and call it quality music while blinded by their preteen years. Stop playing that trash. It only gives people a free ticket to make MORE of it!
marc^o^ said:
:lol :lol
I seriously haven't laughed that hard since I joined GAF. FULL OF HEART & CRAFT. Do you write for Nintendo magazine? That's not even an insult, you just should. Anyone with that level of disguised hatred for gaming would be a perfect fit in that magazine, imo.
marc^o^ said:
Well, that's the furthest I can go. When you start spouting Reggie PR speak I can't take the rest seriously.
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So when did Amir0x turn into Drinky?
I didn't sidestep anything, I am just not silly enough to assume that nintendo will be scaling back in buffer throughput AND processing power. No HD to me means it can't do 720p. "Less powerful" that everyone has been saying to me means that it can't do HD gaming. Nowhere have I seen anything reference to the possiblity that it will have less shader capabilities, less polygon throughput, etc. If the only difference between the two scenes are resolution, it won't be anywhere near as obvious as many are saying. if the Rev in fact can't do all the bells and whistles of 360/PS3, then of course it will actually look noticeably worse. I just can't see that happening. Hell, $99 cards right now pretty much have all the capabilities of 360/PS3 GPU's.. they just can't render a modern game at 60fps to save their lives.Y2Kevbug11 said:
Mook1e said:
wrong. DVD is 720x480. the problem is that it isn't a square pixel aspect ratio. It is either .9 (4:3) or 1.2 (16:9). The unfortunate result is that if you look at a DVD capture on a computer screen it will be stretched/squished. To compensate for this, and show the DVD at it's correct aspect ratio on a computer, you have to adjust the image size. Either 640x480 for a full frame DVD, or 853x480 for a widescreen DVD. Either way the original picture has to be interpolated/reduced, suffering a reduction in quality at the hands of your resizing algorithm. so while the final picture will be the correct size, the image has to be manipulated to get there.
and mr. bob - as I already said, I don't agree that there is a dramatic difference between those DVD and HD comparisons. A difference sure, and upon a reasonable comparison between the two the differences are pretty apparent. However there are a few caveats to this:
1. those are not true a/b comparisons. both the 1080 and 480 pics have been modifed and could have suffered in quality reduction.
2. closely examing screencaps is one thing. closely examining moving video is another. closely examining moving video WHILE PLAYING A GAME is yet even another. my biggest question isn't if there will be a difference there or not (obviously there will be). My biggest question is if you will notice it to any real degree WHILE playing the game. That was the biggest problem this gen that people aren't getting. You DID see the graphic flaws on PS2 while playing the games.
3. the differences posted on that page are 1080 vs. 480. On x360 we are talking 720. I highly doubt if some games aren't running at 720 right now that the number of native 1080 games is going to be anything major.
What's really funny about all of this is technically the revolution could be even MORE powerful (in a manner of speaking) than x360, if it's gpu was able to render more triangles per second, it had a higher number of shaders, more texture memory, etc, than x360. Where would that put x360 then? HD gaming, at the expense of lower poly/fx scenes.
Mrbob said:
Notice I use the word "can" not "will".
But it's a fact that the saving for going with 480p is quite substantial, especially when it comes to bandwidth and shading power.
Whether Nintendo uses those savings to cut down as much as they can on power and price, or use it to get huge amounts of perpixel power, has yet to be revealed.
It seems most likely to be a nice middle ground though.
Ben Sones said:
With good to exellent AA, jaggies are history, and with the likely extra amount of perpixel power and eDRAM it should be able to do much better than 360 in that regard.
Sometimes you have to exaggerate to get a point a across, so tell me this, would you rather have an output that looks like this:
720p OOT
or like this:
480p Monster Inc.
Amir0x said:
Then let the dictionary tell us more about you:
SYLLABICATION: cyn·i·cal
PRONUNCIATION: sn-kl
ADJECTIVE: 1. Selfishly or callously calculating. 2. Negative or pessimistic, as from world-weariness. 3. Expressing jaded or scornful skepticism or negativity: cynical laughter.
And now comes the best part:
A cynic may be pardoned for thinking that this is a dog's life. The Greek word kunikos, from which cynic comes, was originally an adjective meaning doglike, from kun, dog.
Thus your Nintendogs hatred! I pardon you!
:lol
PhoenixDark
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Are those OOT pics real?!?!?! If so, please tell me someone redid the game like that, and I can find it on the internets.
dlobro1080
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Who knows. XBox had better graphics than PS2, but PS2 won. N64 had better graphics (most of the time) than the PS1, but PS1 won. In the end, I think something like HD will matter to the hardcore, but the casual gamers aren't going to care or notice. They're the ones who really matter to these companies. I mean, most homes are Internet ready now, and how many gamers actually play online? For the Xbox, isn't it something like 10% of Xbox owners play online? I think Nintendo feels that just cause the technology exists doesn't mean we need it or will make money on it.
When HD TVs are in every home, Nintendo's system will be HD.
When HD TVs are in every home, Nintendo's system will be HD.
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dlobro1080 said:
Agreed. DS outselling PSP too.
I mean, really. Graphics smaffix. As long as it keeps going up, how big does the leap have to be? Original Super Mario bros looks like crap, but it still sells like wildfire.
People are still addicted to pac-man and etc, and c'mon, its like, dots.
fun is fun, ya know?