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[DESTROYA]

You couldn't be more wrong as a European that has moved to America I find the opposite, most Americans are just hard working real people . Sure there are exceptions but you can say that in every country.
It's not a persona it's the American attitude and what's exactly is wrong with optimism, enthusiasm, take-charge can-do attitude ? That has nothing to do with "virtue signaling " It's what built America to be the greatest nation on the planet.
That's like saying most Americans view other countries as weak minded , limp wristed , sissy boys and that's not true at all.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

I didn't say that having "aspirational heroes" is bad or undesirable, I said superheroes are not necessarily ideal aspirational figures. Insofar as people have super heroes as aspirational figures, they will try to "be like" them in some way. There isn't a lot of overlap between the daily life of a teacher and the daily life of Iron Man or Captain America. Iron man and Captain America are famous, universally admired and respected, have adventurous and dynamic lives, get to be their own bosses and defeat evil wherever it goes. The only 'evil' a teacher will likely confront in their daily existence is their own lack of patience and frustration with misbehaving kids. And they won't be admired or praised for defeating it, they just be severely castigated when they fail.

eh.... i don't agree with this take at all. first of all, heroes aren't just aspirational on a "i want to literally be this person" basis. you don't have to literally want to be Captain America to see yourself fighting a fight against an enemy and derive meaning from that. it's the same as not wanting to literally be a murderous superspy to appreciate a James Bond movie or think he's a cool character.

pretending that people need to literally be their super heroes is a pretty nuance-free way to looking at how people interpret media. i mean the little kid who pretends to be Superman might be into it just because he likes the idea of flying, or because he has bullies at school, or whatever. he's not aiming to be literally bullet proof. it's not like 1:1 we have to see an accurate reflection of ourselves in media. it's not like that at all! well, at least it didn't use to be. most of the new writers are so full of themselves they have to make EVERY story about them. so yes, they want a 1:1 reflection. fat goth chick makes a fat goth hero. so creative!

but it's not how people ordinarily interact with media. i think of the 70s Star Wars toy commercials, they would show black kids playing with Obi Wan and shit. you can relate to another person's story without being exactly like them. in fact i would suggest that's one of the main attractions of fantasy and fiction.!

so yeah, a teacher can totally find something to relate to while reading a Batman story. or Iron Man working out a problem. the idea that everyone needs a 1:1 copy of themselves for representation is absurd. imo a lot of people preaching "media literacy" are themselves illiterate, at least when it comes to historical literature.

 

[QSD]

You couldn't be more wrong as a European that has moved to America I find the opposite, most Americans are just hard working real people . Sure there are exceptions but you can say that in every country.
It's not a persona it's the American attitude and what's exactly is wrong with optimism, enthusiasm, take-charge can-do attitude ? That has nothing to do with "virtue signaling " It's what built America to be the greatest nation on the planet.
That's like saying most Americans view other countries as weak minded , limp wristed , sissy boys and that's not true at all.

There is nothing wrong with an attitude of optimism, enthusiasm, etc. They are actually virtues, and when sincerely felt/expressed it is indeed not a persona.
But like you said, it's "the american way", the "american attitude" to have, so IMHO there might also be a kind of social expectation for people to behave in this way/exhibit these traits, even when they're not
feeling especially positive or optimistic. In that way, I think there might be an incentive to "virtue signal"

eh.... i don't agree with this take at all. first of all, heroes aren't just aspirational on a "i want to literally be this person" basis. you don't have to literally want to be Captain America to see yourself fighting a fight against an enemy and derive meaning from that. it's the same as not wanting to literally be a murderous superspy to appreciate a James Bond movie or think he's a cool character.

pretending that people need to literally be their super heroes is a pretty nuance-free way to looking at how people interpret media. i mean the little kid who pretends to be Superman might be into it just because he likes the idea of flying, or because he has bullies at school, or whatever. he's not aiming to be literally bullet proof. it's not like 1:1 we have to see an accurate reflection of ourselves in media. it's not like that at all! well, at least it didn't use to be. most of the new writers are so full of themselves they have to make EVERY story about them. so yes, they want a 1:1 reflection. fat goth chick makes a fat goth hero. so creative!

but it's not how people ordinarily interact with media. i think of the 70s Star Wars toy commercials, they would show black kids playing with Obi Wan and shit. you can relate to another person's story without being exactly like them. in fact i would suggest that's one of the main attractions of fantasy and fiction.!

so yeah, a teacher can totally find something to relate to while reading a Batman story. or Iron Man working out a problem. the idea that everyone needs a 1:1 copy of themselves for representation is absurd. imo a lot of people preaching "media literacy" are themselves illiterate, at least when it comes to historical literature.

I feel like what you're saying is "hey there's actually a lot of people who read super hero comics purely for the escapist aspect of it". You mention James Bond and Star Wars which I would also associate more with escapist type entertainment. Maybe you're right and I'm overstating this, and there isn't much direct influence of the "superhero lifestyle" on kids' career choices . But
the youtube video in the OP is about the disappearance of the classic hero archetype from comic books, so in a way it's actually saying that comics books are/should be more than just escapism. They also have this ancient substructure that helps orient kids towards certain values. That's what I was speaking to.

 

[DESTROYA]

There is nothing wrong with an attitude of optimism, enthusiasm, etc. They are actually virtues, and when sincerely felt/expressed it is indeed not a persona.
But like you said, it's "the american way", the "american attitude" to have, so IMHO there might also be a kind of social expectation for people to behave in this way/exhibit these traits, even when they're not
feeling especially positive or optimistic. In that way, I think there might be an incentive to "virtue signal"

Thats a very broad brush your using to paint all Americans, there are no incentives to "virtue signal" besides individual self reflective social status.

 

[QSD]

Thats a very broad brush your using to paint all Americans, there are no incentives to "virtue signal" besides individual self reflective social status.

Wel yeah I was just speculating about cultural differences between europe and the US because that's what Soodanim was mentioning. I realize that there's going to be huge individual differences.

 

[DESTROYA]

Wel yeah I was just speculating about cultural differences between europe and the US because that's what Soodanim was mentioning. I realize that there's going to be huge individual differences.

Have you ever been to America or just basing things on what you see TV and social media ?

 

[Deleted member 17706]

"Once you accept everything, there's no need to strive for anything" is a good line, and sadly accurate.

 

[sol_bad]

OOOOHHHH
The single panel narrative pusher tactic. Nice one. Like that is meant to represent Jason Aaron's 80+ issue run. I can't remember that because it's 2 panels out of thousands. Good job though.

Most of the books you mentioned are bad, or average at best.

And you clearly didn't listen to anything Drinker said in the video. He wasn't reviewing the book. He was criticizing the cultural change that is affecting how comics are being written now.

This isn't the first time DC has tried this "young adult" approach, but the themes seem to be the same. Moving away from the traditional ideas of hero, and instead writing generic crap where the heroes aren't larger than life ir epic. They are small, petty and depressed. Much like the girl in this book is being introduced, and marketed as if it a good thing.

But of course you would defend this crap, becuase you are always a sycophant for what these companies release.

It's not new as in they have released YA graphic novels since the start of last year? That's still new compared to their 80+ year history

Lol Sol is saying that 60s comics were "mainly forgettable"? Hahahah WHAT??? Not sure I can take any of his comments seriously what a bad fucking take hahahah

and he's telling other people they are not much of a comic fan!!

hahah no shit he likes SJW crap, dude might as well be reading from the same gatekeeping elitist script. Old stuff is trash new stuff is good money proves this if you don't agree you are an ist rinse repeat

Yeah mate, I'm about 70 issues away from finishing all of the 60s Marvel books. Some of those books are a chore to read, especially to 60s X-Men, Donald Blake Thor and some of Namor. Even some of Spider-man is ridiculously stupid, only 2 or 3 issues have really stood out for me when it comes to young Peter Parker. I'll say that I think Roy Thomas is a far better writer than Stan Lee, that's for sure.

*EDIT*
The Captain Marvel with Mar-Vell books aren't very good yet either but I'm only on #10.

 

[QSD]

Have you ever been to America or just basing things on what you see TV and social media ?

I've been to NYC once for a week while a friend of mine was living and working there. No more visits since, but still would like to visit and do a grand tour.
I've also met many Americans while travelling, especially last year I traveled through Mexico (yucatan), Belize and Guatemala.
Though when I think about something as broad as 'American culture' in general I also tend to think of the movies I grew up with, music I listened to, that sort of thing.
I don't watch much TV these days, most of my news/current events impressions come from internet

 

[Ixiah]

The single panel narrative pusher tactic. Nice one. Like that is meant to represent Jason Aaron's 80+ issue run. I can't remember that because it's 2 panels out of thousands. Good job though.

Sorry, but if you actualy try to point to a few Skyscrapers above the Water and claim the City isnt under Water.....
I cant remember when i last was exited for a Marvel Comic and that was before the great Wokeing.
Their "Big Events" got boring because there was one after the other, now its Cap is a Nazi, the X-men are also Nazis in all but name, but the "good" kind,
Iron Heart like the Mary Sue she is gets the Iron Man suit handed to her because shes so amazing, btw did you know Kamala Khan is Muslim ?
You might have missed it, they only tell you dozen of times.
Yeah, some Comics might not be tainted by the Sjw, but honestly, why bother ?

 

[sol_bad]

Sorry, but if you actualy try to point to a few Skyscrapers above the Water and claim the City isnt under Water.....
I cant remember when i last was exited for a Marvel Comic and that was before the great Wokeing.
Their "Big Events" got boring because there was one after the other, now its Cap is a Nazi, the X-men are also Nazis in all but name, but the "good" kind,
Iron Heart like the Mary Sue she is gets the Iron Man suit handed to her because shes so amazing, btw did you know Kamala Khan is Muslim ?
You might have missed it, they only tell you dozen of times.
Yeah, some Comics might not be tainted by the Sjw, but honestly, why bother ?

I can understand the annoyance of constant events, it is annoying and it would be nice to have a book continue with it's story uninterrupted and breath.

I stopped reading Cap after the Remender run but I kept up to date with him. Hydra Cap wasn't really Cap, it was a doppelganger. And what is with people calling Cap a Nazi just because of this story, I know Hydra/Nazi's are the same thing but they have been around for decades and comic fandom has always called them Hydra. Now that people were upset that Cap was Hydra they specially say Nazi instead of Hydra. Why?

I'm not sure what you mean about Nazi X-Men, I stopped reading and buying new comics since 2018. Not because I was bored or upset with Marvel but because I subbed to Marvel Unlimited and buy OHC's and omnis instead. I haven't read anything about Hickman's new run as I want to read it when it's in some collected format.

I don't have much interest in Riri Williams but that's because the Iron Man books prior to her were just OK so I didn't have any enthusiasm to read her books. I don't understand why there was outrage over her and not Doctor Doom. Riri's and Dr Doom's books were coming out at the same time and they were both "Iron Men". It was also a short year and a bit stunt. Now we have Tony back and Riri is with the Champions.
There was also no outrage over Rescue when she first appeared in 2009, why is that? Shouldn't Marvel have been called SJW arseholes back in 2009 as well?

*EDIT*
I do love Kamala Khan though, only read the G Willow Wilson run, haven't read the Saladin Ahmed run. I have heard his run is not as good.

 

[Jon Neu]

A SJW being fine with SJW infested media and claiming he doesn't see anything SJW about it, while trying to chase anybody who sees the SJW infestation and claim they are wrong because reasons.

The same story repeats every single time.

 

[sol_bad]

A SJW being fine with SJW infested media and claiming he doesn't see anything SJW about it, while trying to chase anybody who sees the SJW infestation and claim they are wrong because reasons.

The same story repeats every single time.

Please tell me what books you have read and followed over the last 10 years or 20 years even?

 

[DESTROYA]

Please tell me what books you have read and followed over the last 10 years or 20 years even?

I've read basically almost every marvel comic for almost 20 years and stopped 3-5 years ago and he's not wrong.
It wasn't unusual for me to spend $100 a week on comics.
I quit when they made Iceman gay, not because he's gay ( he was always a after Lorna or some other women ) but to make him gay for woke points.
Funny thing is I was never a big X men fan either but that was the last straw, ruining decades of past history to score woke points is retarded.

 

[sol_bad]

I've read basically almost every marvel comic for almost 20 years and stopped 3-5 years ago and he's not wrong.
It wasn't unusual for me to spend $100 a week on comics.
I quit when they made Iceman gay, not because he's gay ( he was always a after Lorna or some other women ) but to make him gay for woke points.
Funny thing is I was never a big X men fan either but that was the last straw, ruining decades of past history to score woke points is retarded.

Question wasn't really aimed at you but I can understand being annoyed at making Iceman gay, I was annoyed as well but I enjoyed Bendis' run on the book despite that issue. Making Iceman gay is probably one of the only things I'll agree on that infuriated me, all the runs I mentioned in another post earlier make up for that though. I still love the industry.
I've been reading comics between 2004 and 2017/2018. And yes, I would spend as much as you or more a week too. Primarily X-men in the 2000's and then expanded to basically everything in 2011. That expenditure started dropping between 2015 and 2017 though when I met the woman of my life and could no longer budget for it.

 

[Furlong]

 

[mikefrails]

When Superman was created to make straight white males feel good, no one had any complaints.