Bobby Roberts
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What's the line from Hamilton again?
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
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Health Care Vote Delayed Until After July 4th Recess
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balladofwindfishes
Member
Must have been a lot to pull the vote this early. As of this morning, they were optimistic for a vote tomorrow. Then they held an all hands on deck GOP lunch, and after that, the entire thing fell apart.
skullmuffins
Banned
In the house they at least had the excuse of "oh, the bill is bad but the senate will fix it". They can't fall back on that now; it's harder to pass a dogshit bill when it's going to become law. It's like how republicans had no problem voting to repeal obamacare a dozen times when Obama was still president but now they're struggling to get anything done.
Collins is basically saying she's gonna be a no unless a whole new bill is offered up on CNN.
More than we know about, they didn't even have the votes to bring it to the floor for debate.
More than we know about, they didn't even have the votes to bring it to the floor for debate.
Nydius
Gold Member
Not complacent but it was pretty clear this bill was never going to pass, not even in the Senate. Not long after it came out there were at least 5 GOP Senators already wavering on it and they could only afford to lose 2. Then came the hand-wringing from the House GOP, especially the Freedom Caucus, complaining that it wasn't conservative enough.
Trump and Company wanted a rapid vote on the bill because they know the longer it sits in the press and gets scrutinized, the less likely they can whip votes. It's that gridlock within their own party that will keep them from passing anything meaningful despite having a majority in both chambers of Congress.
I just laugh every time I hear any one of these idiots blame Democrats for supposedly being "obstructionists" when their party can't even agree on how to best achieve their basic party tenets (or, increasingly, what those tenets even are).
Autodidact
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Moderate Darling Manhandles Mean Motherfucker
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Too much winning for Republicans this year has me exhausted.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Well this delay is off to a good start!
There really isn't time for a total redo of the bill, unless they want to take it past the August recess, which is usually considered a "reset" for congress.
Saint Gregory
Member
They passed a bill that they knew would be DOA in the Senate to give Trump the photo op he demanded.
There was a time where I believed the repeal was inevitable because of how beholden the Republicans are to the rich but I think that things have reached the point now where their position is untenable. They spent the last eight years decrying and sabotaging the ACA, it's obvious to even their most diehard supporters that they never had a plan B aside from turning the clock back to 2008 healthcare and now they run everything so regardless of what happens they'll be to blame. It's exactly what they deserve.
He lacks empathy or sympathy and his moral compass is pointed solely at special interests and the larger GOP agenda(cutting taxes and limiting government involvement in all walks of life). It's just a fundamental difference in the manipulation and planning of a massive sum of money(granted with bullshit ideological tests to shelter reality from those easily manipulated).
It's dangerous, cynical, craven, and insane that any constituent at ground level supports it. But he isn't literally systematically murdering civilians and entire secular populations for irrationally poor reasoning. Hitler was more direct in his approach to solutions, this is merely the Republican government telling its citizens "you're on your own, we aren't paying for shit! Good Luck!"
BoogieWoogie
Banned
It's not a reset if they've been at 0 the whole time.
So, here's the problem right now. They could probably get Cruz. But, the thing is, they're absolutely never gonna get Rand Paul(You can mostly count on him to be obstructionist to everything). It sounds like they're not gonna get Collins no matter what. It sounds like they're not gonna get Heller no matter what.
And then they don't have enough votes. That's not to mention anyone else.
And then they don't have enough votes. That's not to mention anyone else.
That's only because she likely has an idea that her no won't affect the party line. She's very much like McCain in regards to publicly being a centrist but firmly a Republican when it actually matters.
Hilarious. Now let's see if Repubs hide from townhall events over the holiday break.
Thank you. I was waiting for a Hitler/Nazi comparison.
While I'm still on the "Obamacare Will Be Repealed" train, I'm getting closer to jumping off. I think it would take the repeal effort going into 2018 form me to fully jump off, and then it would be to see how the 2018 midterms turn out.
Thank you. I was waiting for a Hitler/Nazi comparison.
While I'm still on the "Obamacare Will Be Repealed" train, I'm getting closer to jumping off. I think it would take the repeal effort going into 2018 form me to fully jump off, and then it would be to see how the 2018 midterms turn out.
If someone tried to kill you, would you moderate your anger because they failed?
This is a different bill.
If it passes the Senate, it will go to the House for a vote.
He's trying to kill 22 million people. How should we react? Why shouldn't we wish every single person who votes for such a thing to be faced with a firing squad?
BrutishMrFish
Member
Just because McConnell failed (for now) doesn't mean people should go easy on him. It's the thought that counts, and McConnell's thought was "I'm going to take away health care from 22 million so I can score a cheap political win."
Unless you're confused by the turtle comparison, in which case I give you this:
EdibleKnife
Member
Why "uh"? McConnell and many in the GOP has spent taxpayer dollars toward writing a piece of legislation the American people couldn't be privy to till the last minute, basically dodging traditional, ethical and moral democratic process. All of this for the sake of hands off killing hundreds of thousands and robbing healthcare from millions of citizens. And the GOP has managed to fail in their efforts to destroy American lives twice rather than work toward a semblance of humanity with progressive policy. People are happy but also have the entire right to be openly furious and hostile as fuck at McConnell, Ryan, Trump, Conway and literally every person who supported or attempted to orchestrate a nationwide culling of the weakest members of our society using resources that could have been put towards helping those same citizens. The GOP has openly tried to kill Americans and hid it behind "reasonable" policy. Any violence in those posts is insignificant in comparison to the violence the GOP was tangibly dealt & were willing to deal.
Thatonemoor
Member
In my opinion mods need to put a stop to talk like this. When Ideology becomes more important then actual human beings is when movements turn tyrannical.
BoogieWoogie
Banned
The thing is, it would have been WAY more than 22 million additional folks who lost insurance. That six month penalty shit would have been a NIGHTMARE. I would think half the population would be uninsured at any given period of time with that shit.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
He is trying to kill 22 million people, that is enough for people to get mad.
Knuckle Sandwich
Member
Hopefully this keeps getting pushed closer and closer to the midterms when they won't have the balls to do it.
People I know personally will be absolutely fucked without the ACA. I don't wish harm on the turtle but I understand people's extreme reactions.
People I know personally will be absolutely fucked without the ACA. I don't wish harm on the turtle but I understand people's extreme reactions.
Ill be personally fucked without the ACA.
I'm not saying people shouldn't be mad. Count me into that category as well. I'm saying posting that we hope someone goes home and commits suicide with a gun is not a productive thing to do.
That doesn't get shit done or help anyone.
I'm as happy as anyone else that this thing got delayed, and hopefully it eventually dies completely.
Don't think that because I'm not condoning fucking suicide I don't understand the seriousness of the situation.
I've been following it daily like most of you.
That doesn't get shit done or help anyone.
I'm as happy as anyone else that this thing got delayed, and hopefully it eventually dies completely.
Don't think that because I'm not condoning fucking suicide I don't understand the seriousness of the situation.
I've been following it daily like most of you.
EdibleKnife
Member
Same. Sickle cell. Preexisting condition. The crafters of this bill and subsequent democratic subterfuge in no uncertain terms were (rather still are) actively trying to ruin my life at best and kill me at worst.
dantevsninjas
Member
And he's doing it so rich people can get more tax cuts they don't need. He's an evil piece of shit.
Knuckle Sandwich
Member
My mom, cousin and 4 dear friends are right there with you. Doing what little I can to stop this shit.
So I'm paralyzed from the chest down (spinal cord injury/quadriplegic) and living in Michigan. I have insurance with meridian and was wondering would the cuts to Medicaid affect me as well?
I'm really not savvy with all this insurance talk. Another thing why are republicans pushing through with this plan? They realize they're blowing their chances of reelection.
I'm really not savvy with all this insurance talk. Another thing why are republicans pushing through with this plan? They realize they're blowing their chances of reelection.
IggyChooChoo
Member
Depends on stuff you might not want to reveal, like household composition, household income, age, etc.
Darryl M R
Member
Your post implies that the original person wants to get something done or be productive with his statement.
That's how someone feels about the situation. So be it. Too often do I see posts complaining about other people's true feelings towards horrendous, evil people that threaten lives of millions of people. And these complaints always imply that the original poster wants to be productive or want to do something. No, they wanted to post their true feelings and they did.
Jorok Goldblade
Member
So what you're saying is he's more in line with Stalin's engineered famine approach.
Are we sure about this?
Spiritreaver
Member
Me too. I don't get insurance from my employer and I have sickle cell trait plus clotting disorders. My medication I'm on now is $300 a month without insurance. $10 on my current plan. I could drop to the medicine that's $5 a month without insurance, but then I'd have be spending a minimum of $150 a week in blood tests.
Without those medications I'll die within a few years likely from a pulmonary embolism. If I get into the hospital in time and they save me then I go thousands of dollars in debt from the emergency room.
I have zero respect for republicans politicians, republican voters, and "progressives" who adamantly work against progressive ideals through lack of compromise. They're all a threat to my life right now.
I view it as counterproductive, regardless of the original intent. There's a difference between feeling and acting on those feelings in a super negative way. And looking back, that poster already admitted that they shouldn't have gone that far. Agree to disagree then.
Yes we are
BronsonLee
Member
Kinda surprised this thread doesn't have more juice to it
This is exactly what happened last time with the House when they tried to push something through of substance, but I'm not sure they can pull the same trick they did to get Trump a photo op. Senate has more on the line
This is exactly what happened last time with the House when they tried to push something through of substance, but I'm not sure they can pull the same trick they did to get Trump a photo op. Senate has more on the line
Not to mention Trump stabbed the House in the back for that last photo op.
Darryl M R
Member
Counterproductive to what? Making statements like those does not stop someone from calling their representative to voice their outrage and concern.
I have severe depression. Almost killed myself. Got on Zoloft and having no issues now. Have to stay on those meds. Changed my life. Also have a primary care doctor now. Cant go back.
How posts like this are okay and not bannable shit?
To making progress
For example, lots of people are posting in this thread to call senators. That's productive
It creates unnecessary tension that condones violence. Like why does this need to be explained?
Darryl M R
Member
And I'll quote myself, "Making statements like those does not stop someone from calling their representative to voice their outrage and concern."
For something to be counterproductive it would be replacing an action with a less desirable one.
Edited my post
You know, it's possible to make progress without condoning suicide and violence
SapphiCine
Member
Stalling bastards and their ploy will probably work.