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Health Care Vote Delayed Until After July 4th Recess
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StopMakingSense
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The 'unexpected' defections came from the moderate side, most notably Heller (NV).
Bruce Springsteen
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Not much has changed
skullmuffins
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Now we have to hope that, unlike their house counterparts, the 'moderate' GOP Senators don't roll over and take it after they get some token concession that fixes nothing.
It's at least somewhat hopeful in that Senators are beholden to a whole state rather than a single gerrymandered voting district, and now with the vote delayed they'll have some time to go home and get yelled at for even considering this monstrosity.
plagiarize
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It's definitely not dead, but it's definitely more likely to die with this delay.
There are reasons they wanted to get this done before the July 4th break.
I think you greatly overestimate moderate senators. We're lucky Trump(and friends) are incompetent and went through with their threats of attacking Heller with tv and radio ads. That probably hurt the chances of this bill more then anything else.
harriet the spy
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Yay. Are the moderates enough if all the ultra-libertarian flip? I guess it depends on how many liberals there are
UberTag
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Whose bright idea was that anyhow? Way to shoot yourself in the face.
I can read this in two distinct ways:
1) We tried, it failed to pass votes. fuck it lets move on. [doubtful they will, but GOP proven completely ineffective and nothing but bluster given a decade of whining].
2) It passes, fucks people over(ie. 'fails' to live up to promise). No biggie, we accomplished our goal. [Trump and leadership throwing his team under the bus to sign off on this failed PoS]
"Chance to pass" assumes the first, but there is no way they just give up, unless they focus tax reform efforts elsewhere?
Autodidact
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Thank you so much!
Ziltoidia 9
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The senate will do a "fixed" (at least, it will be portrayed that way) bill like the house did after the first one went no where and then they pass it.
I swear she looks like Lucille Bluth.
I swear she looks like Lucille Bluth.
Ziltoidia 9
Member
Double post.
People that are tired of winning.
Seriously though we're lucky as hell these people are dumb.
RPGCrazied
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This is like, please help me! From Trump's meeting today.
David H Wong
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Here's a lengthy breakdown that goes senator by senator, they can only afford two "no" votes:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/which-gop-senators-might-resurrect-the-health-care-bill/
In their judgment, the only "No" votes that are actually going to vote that way vs just threatening in order to get changes:
Rand Paul
Dean Heller
Susan Collins
Mike Lee
Paul wants MUCH deeper cuts BUT it seems impossible to me that he would ultimately vote to keep the much bigger Obamacare in place instead of taking what he can get in these cuts. But again they have a lot of money in this bill they can throw toward specific states to buy them over.
I'd say it's still 60/40 that a bill gets passed, once they add in some additional funding to make the moderates happy. They just can't get those deals done in the next few days.
This. We need to keep fighting until Trump's bitch ass is out of office and the House of Reps along with the Senate become either more balanced or more liberal.
A notable opening line in this new statement from Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) criticizing the Senate GOP health bill
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/879810529249853442
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/879810529249853442
FinaruDensetsu
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Lol no McCain or Graham. Mavericks.
David H Wong
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Since the initial outrage from the House bill, response has been pretty tepid (not much in the way of protests etc). The left is not good at sustaining outrage (remember storming the airports with protesters when the travel ban passed, vs the collective shrug when the Supreme Court brought it back this week?)
If anything that additional time lets the initial shock of the CBO report headlines fade. People will have moved on to six or seven more Trump gaffes/scandals and will have run out of energy. We're good at brief tantrums, not long-term sustained change.
EdibleKnife
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A notable opening line in this new statement from Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) criticizing the Senate GOP health bill
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/879810529249853442
No lies in that one sentence at least. He's candid about it but I'd also like to hear them address the fact that it's been worked hastily and clandestinely unlike the ACA to convince me they actually get it rather than just blowing smoke.
shawnbuddy
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So they've got just three weeks in July to fuck everyone over. After the August recess there will too much gearing up for 2018 and attendant own ass covering go get anything done.
Wasn't the Georgia vote enough?
Autodidact
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This is like, please help me! From Trump's meeting today.
when ur bestie won't stop talking during the lesson
EdibleKnife
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Wow! How generous of you, McConnell. Considering inviting the other party in on your murder bill. It's like X-Mas
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this would be incredible. That's why I don't believe it will happen.
I usually never do this, but:
I usually never do this, but:
Democrats would definitely work with Republicans on a healthcare bill that actually fixed the many issues with the ACA
If they invite Dems to take part in this bill it means they have to also acknowledge that there is no chance in hell bill wont go through full rewrite. Dems will never accept this bill.
Which is why its not going to happen as they'd be offered the scraps of scraps for their votes. Though the Dems might be dumb enough to play along which I hope they would not
RPGCrazied
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Good luck with that. They won't touch it with those cuts to Medicaid and Medicare. Just not happening. Or the essential's they so want to cut.
Yeah, but you and I both know that's not going to be what's offered.
Autodidact
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On the infinitesimal - like, 0.05% - chance that Senate Republicans worked with Democrats, the Freedom Caucus would not touch ANYTHING with Democratic prints on it.
Being intractable, conservative, hateful shitheads won't damage them in their districts, but having the liberal stench on them sure will.
Being intractable, conservative, hateful shitheads won't damage them in their districts, but having the liberal stench on them sure will.
"On WH grounds, McConnell begins contingency plan of blaming Democrats for failure to pass healthcare legislation in case GOP bill dies."
Aaron Strife
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Yeah, they could probably pass something in the Senate but it would be DOA in the House.
"I only would have voted for it if I had the chance to get away scot-free!"
Autodidact
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I mean, unless Pelosi and Ryan could cobble together a coalition of Democrats + Republicans who voted against the bill the first time. Perhaps a 0.03% chance of happening.
Career would end right in that moment.
EdibleKnife
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Here's the 2 likelihoods with the current GOP:
A) AHCA stays the same and Dems are livid that they were brought in for squat. GOP turns them into a scapegoat aka. "We offered to collude on the bill (after 100+ days of closed door writing though) but Dems just wanted to OBSTRUCT!"
B) McConnell and the GOP pull a 'giving your little bro the unplugged controllers he thinks he's playing' and Dems barely get to throw a teaspoon of their additions before it's rushed to vote yet pat themselves on the back for supporting a sad stopgap.
I pray they don't. Don't care if Ryan and McConnell are on their knees in tears. They shouldn't accept it.
If they're allowed to build on the ACA to make it more stable that would be of benefit to the country.
That being said, that's not gonna happen.
Republican Congressmen and Congresswomen don't have the stomach to hold town halls. They'll use the excuse of liberals from different counties are showing up to sow discord as an excuse.
Watch them sneak in a vote on July 4th early in the morning. Seriously call your representatives to protest this. Jam their phone lines calling them to express how heinous this course of action is. Stripping 49 million people of their Medicaid in order to pay for a $600 billion tax cut for rich people is a bad look for our nation.
Autodidact
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Damn, I wish Russ Feingold, Katie McWhatever, and White Man Palette Swap Kander hadn't failed.
There's no way that they'd get the votes by July 4th. Heller and Collins are on another planet in terms of supporting this, Heller definitely a no. And Rand Paul will never vote yes on anything.
This isn't even to talk about the other 6(Cruz is probably an easy get).
What's the point of Miller even posting such a thing. There's absolutely a less than zero chance such a thing occurs.
Dreadnought
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Surprise surprise no Mccain
He said as much in a public speech, so him saying it or not is irrelevant. What he actually said was more in line with "I'd rather not work with democrats if I don't have to because they don't want to gut medicaid"(Paraphrased that last part).