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Health Care Vote Delayed Until After July 4th Recess

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TestOfTide

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Bruce Springsteen said:
Not much has changed
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You don't seem to get that the reason that the house even managed to pass ANYTHING was because they thought the Senate would be able to pass something better.

Now that it's turned out that the Senate can't fix this bill, it's pretty much dead. Too many GOP senators are not willing to sign on to "Paul Ryan's & Mitch McConnell's Suicide Pact".

At most the GOP will only be able to make minor changes to the ACA with the consent of a few democrats, because they clearly do not have consensus on how they want to repeal the ACA.
 
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XMonkey

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Steel said:
He said as much in a public speech, so him saying it or not is irrelevant. What he actually said was more in line with "I'd rather not work with democrats if I don't have to because they don't want to gut medicaid"(Paraphrased that last part).
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Ah ok, the tweet didn't make it sound like it was in some speech, more like he overheard it.
 
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Steel

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XMonkey said:
Ah ok, the tweet didn't make it sound like it was in some speech, more like he overheard it.
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It was actually rather surprising to hear him move off talking points and basically say that he hasn't and doesn't want to work with democrats. Anyone with a brain knew that, of course, but he had been quite careful to say that it's the democrat's fault for not working with reps before it. Like, literally just before the Trump meeting he had a speech where he said as much.

Also, it almost sounded like he was about to cry in that post-trump meeting speech.
 
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Furyous

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Tovarisc said:
A notable opening line in this new statement from Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) criticizing the Senate GOP health bill
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https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/879810529249853442
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Let me get his response straight:

Trumpcare gives subsidies to poor people that cannot afford healthcare, tax cuts to the rich, but ignores middle class families.

Does Mike want tax cuts for middle class families too? That can't work and he's better off pushing for some of that $600 billion in cuts to subsidize middle class families.

Those tax subsidies cover plans poor people cannot afford so it's technically a net loss.

Schumer to Mitch McConnell: Our goal is to make President Trump a one-term President.
 
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XMonkey

lacks enthusiasm.
Steel said:
It was actually rather surprising to hear him move off talking points and basically say that he hasn't and doesn't want to work with democrats. Anyone with a brain knew that, of course, but he had been quite careful to say that it's the democrat's fault for not working with reps before it. Like, literally just before the Trump meeting he had a speech where he said as much.

Also, it almost sounded like he was about to cry in that post-trump meeting speech.
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This fuels my soul.

Looks like his gambit to try and strongarm a Yes vote by rushing things backfired gloriously. I have to laugh when Trump or the GOP blames Dems as being obstructionist. I don't even think the KoolAid drinkers buy that angle after 8 years of total obstruction by their team.
 
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Zolo

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XMonkey said:
This fuels my soul.

Looks like his gambit to try and strongarm a Yes vote by rushing things backfired gloriously. I have to laugh when Trump or the GOP blames Dems as being obstructionist. I don't even think the KoolAid drinkers buy that angle after 8 years of total obstruction by their team.
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Surprisingly enough, yeah. People that are sucked that far in are aware it's a war between Repubs and Dems.
 
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Shadow Puppetry

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McConnell's polio care was taken care by charity, apparently.

McConnell was struck with polio at the age of 2 in 1944, a decade before a vaccine was developed. He'd written in his memoir, ”The Long Game," that he received treatment at the polio treatment center that President Franklin D. Roosevelt had founded in Warm Springs, Ga.

The funds for the treatment center were raised by the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, a nonprofit that collected private donations from willing Americans, historians say. Its head was Basil O'Connor, Roosevelt's former law partner who created a network of local chapters to raise money.

”Rather than relying on a few wealthy donors, it raised small donations from millions of people. No one was too poor to give a dime to help a kid try to walk again," he said. ”McConnell was one of thousands of children with polio who received help free of charge, thanks to the shrewd advertising of the March of Dimes and the goodness of the American people."
 
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norm9

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Shadow Puppetry said:
McConnell's polio care was taken care by charity, apparently.

McConnell was struck with polio at the age of 2 in 1944, a decade before a vaccine was developed. He'd written in his memoir, “The Long Game,” that he received treatment at the polio treatment center that President Franklin D. Roosevelt had founded in Warm Springs, Ga.

The funds for the treatment center were raised by the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, a nonprofit that collected private donations from willing Americans, historians say. Its head was Basil O'Connor, Roosevelt's former law partner who created a network of local chapters to raise money.

“Rather than relying on a few wealthy donors, it raised small donations from millions of people. No one was too poor to give a dime to help a kid try to walk again,” he said. “McConnell was one of thousands of children with polio who received help free of charge, thanks to the shrewd advertising of the March of Dimes and the goodness of the American people.”
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Pretty crazy. So we have a person that benefited from "everyone chips in for health" and then adamantly tries to deny the same services to his fellow citizens and those that are far less financially and socially well off. He literally wants them to die for tax breaks for his pals, and we're supposed to go high? No thanks. Fuck this scumbag and I hope the worst for him and his family.
 
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EdibleKnife

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Shadow Puppetry said:
McConnell's polio care was taken care by charity, apparently.

McConnell was struck with polio at the age of 2 in 1944, a decade before a vaccine was developed. He'd written in his memoir, “The Long Game,” that he received treatment at the polio treatment center that President Franklin D. Roosevelt had founded in Warm Springs, Ga.

The funds for the treatment center were raised by the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, a nonprofit that collected private donations from willing Americans, historians say. Its head was Basil O'Connor, Roosevelt's former law partner who created a network of local chapters to raise money.

“Rather than relying on a few wealthy donors, it raised small donations from millions of people. No one was too poor to give a dime to help a kid try to walk again,” he said. “McConnell was one of thousands of children with polio who received help free of charge, thanks to the shrewd advertising of the March of Dimes and the goodness of the American people.”
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"Fuck you. I got mine." Distilled.
 
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Foffy

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Shadow Puppetry said:
McConnell's polio care was taken care by charity, apparently.

McConnell was struck with polio at the age of 2 in 1944, a decade before a vaccine was developed. He'd written in his memoir, “The Long Game,” that he received treatment at the polio treatment center that President Franklin D. Roosevelt had founded in Warm Springs, Ga.

The funds for the treatment center were raised by the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, a nonprofit that collected private donations from willing Americans, historians say. Its head was Basil O'Connor, Roosevelt's former law partner who created a network of local chapters to raise money.

“Rather than relying on a few wealthy donors, it raised small donations from millions of people. No one was too poor to give a dime to help a kid try to walk again,” he said. “McConnell was one of thousands of children with polio who received help free of charge, thanks to the shrewd advertising of the March of Dimes and the goodness of the American people.”
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Nature didn't work fast enough...
 
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gabbo

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Widdle Puppy said:
Why does McConnell look like that senile old man in the nursing home who has no idea what's going on around him
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McCain has been rubbing off, clearly. Also, he's a current-day Republican, he's out of touch with the people voting for him by choice. And money.
 
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tedtropy

$50/hour, but no kissing on the lips and colors must be pre-separated
Fittingly enough, the March of Dimes is urging people to call their senators to vote no because of the disaster this health care proposal would be for pregnant women and children.
 
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Rubenov

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TestOfTide said:
Now that it's turned out that the Senate can't fix this bill, it's pretty much dead. Too many GOP senators are not willing to sign on to "Paul Ryan's & Mitch McConnell's Suicide Pact".
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I remember a lot of people claiming the House bill was "dead" after the initial struggles and Paul Ryan's "doing big things is hard" moment and driving away sad faced. Of course, a few weeks later they passed it.

Nothing is "dead" as long as the GOP controls all branches of power.
 
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BronsonLee

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Rubenov said:
I remember a lot of people claiming the House bill was "dead" after the initial struggles and Paul Ryan's "doing big things is hard" moment and driving away sad faced. Of course, a few weeks later they passed it.

Nothing is "dead" as long as the GOP controls all branches of power.
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Nobody ever expected the House thing to fail right out of the gate. They basically had to tell everyone that 'this bill isn't getting passed in the Senate, they'll fix it later' to get everyone on board

All so they could drink Bud Light and get a photo op.

There's more at stake with the Senate because there's less of them.
 
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cameron

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NYT: McConnell’s Reputation as a Master Tactician Takes a Hit
WASHINGTON — Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, has long enjoyed a reputation as a master tactician. But when it comes to repealing the Affordable Care Act, he seems to have miscalculated in the first round of play.

He assumed that his conservative and moderate colleagues would come together to make good on their seven-year promise to repeal the health care law, and quickly.

But when he assembled a group of senators to cobble together a health care bill last month, he seemed to go out of his way to exclude some of the most knowledgeable members and moderate voices on health care, like Senators Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, a doctor, and Susan Collins of Maine, an insurance expert and one of the few women in the Senate Republican conference. Views outside of Mr. McConnell’s on health care did not receive extensive consideration.

When Republicans from states that had expanded their Medicaid programs quickly found themselves at odds with more conservative members who wanted a large rollback of Medicaid, Mr. McConnell did little to allay those worries. Conservatives generally wanted to rein in costs while moderate members wanted to increase spending, particularly in states where health care costs are high and opioid addiction is escalating.

On those key issues, Mr. McConnell put his legislative thumb on the scale in favor of conservatives, quickly alienating many senators from states that had expanded Medicaid, such as Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Ms. Collins, who became an early and vocal opponent of the bill.
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Conservatives point out that, compared with the House bill, the Senate bill delayed the phaseout of the expansion of Medicaid as detailed in the Affordable Care Act, and that preserving protections for patients with pre-existing conditions was something that moderates wanted. But over all, the bill was similar to the House version in broad strokes that moderates disliked, and conservatives won out on the key issue of reining in the growth of Medicaid in the long term.

Mr. McConnell may have been betting that pressure from a majority of Republicans — who have been promising for the better part of a decade to unravel President Barack Obama’s signature domestic policy achievement — would get senators from Medicaid expansion states on board to do just that.

But the forces arrayed against Mr. McConnell were many, including doctors and hospitals, patient advocacy groups and, perhaps more than anyone else, governors — many of them Republicans — from states where tens of thousands of residents have found themselves newly insured under the health care law and are not eager to see that evaporate.

“There may be some philosophical, you know, kind of textbook disagreement,” Gov. John R. Kasich, Republican of Ohio, said at a news conference in Washington on Tuesday. “But when you sit in a room and you say to people, ‘Should we strip coverage from somebody who’s mentally ill?’ I’ve never heard anybody say yes.”
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Then there is the not-so-small matter of President Trump, who in any other universe would be the greatest asset Mr. McConnell could have, but has turned out to be quite the opposite. Republican senators all watched carefully as Mr. Trump at times berated, cajoled and mildly wooed House Republicans, who had their own divisions, to get to yes on their version of a health care bill.

After celebrating in the Rose Garden with Speaker Paul D. Ryan and a bevy of other Republicans, Mr. Trump turned around and told senators that the House bill was “mean.”

This allowed Republican senators to understand that, as in most areas, Mr. Trump is a mercurial force at best on health care policy. What is more, even though a group that supports him came out with a vicious ad attacking Mr. Heller — and hinted that it would spread to other senators who opposed the health care law — senators are also keenly aware that Mr. Trump did not win the White House by promising to take away voters’ Medicaid.

Then there was the fundamental math problem. Moderate senators simply want more money for the bill. Conservatives like Mike Lee, Republican of Utah, want policy changes that would not only alienate more moderates in the Senate, but also probably be impossible under the strict rules imposed by the process Mr. McConnell is using to try to repeal the law. Mr. McConnell chose that path because he needs a mere 51 votes — including one cast by Vice President Mike Pence — to get it done. Senator Rand Paul, Republican of Kentucky, insisted that the bill could not even fairly be called a repeal, so Mr. McConnell started his counting one vote down.
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Shadow Puppetry said:
McConnell's polio care was taken care by charity, apparently.

McConnell was struck with polio at the age of 2 in 1944, a decade before a vaccine was developed. He'd written in his memoir, “The Long Game,” that he received treatment at the polio treatment center that President Franklin D. Roosevelt had founded in Warm Springs, Ga.

The funds for the treatment center were raised by the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, a nonprofit that collected private donations from willing Americans, historians say. Its head was Basil O'Connor, Roosevelt's former law partner who created a network of local chapters to raise money.

“Rather than relying on a few wealthy donors, it raised small donations from millions of people. No one was too poor to give a dime to help a kid try to walk again,” he said. “McConnell was one of thousands of children with polio who received help free of charge, thanks to the shrewd advertising of the March of Dimes and the goodness of the American people.”
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Holy shit...is this real life?

I mean, how do you turn into a human fuck wad after being given a second chance like that?
 
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Iolo

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Welp, Humana is cancelling my health insurance at the end of the year. Good thing Republicans have a plan to save the individual insurance market.
 
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Autodidact

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I'll never understand where McConnell got this reputation as a master tactician. For two years he had a Democratic president who would veto his worst fuckery, so he could just pass anything that would excite the moronic base. Now he has to be careful because Republicans own the government and will be held responsible. We see how well he's handled this newfound power and freedom.

Though the man may not be as overtly stupid as Trump and Ryan, please don't overestimate him.

--- The Moderate Darling Juneau
 
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watershed

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The shitty thing is that Republican senators aren't sitting around wondering "why are we trying to pass such terrible legislation that will ruin people's lives?" Instead they're asking "what more can we do to pass this terrible legislation that we fully know will ruin people's lives?"
 
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Inuhanyou

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The more i see how things in Washington are, the more i am convinced that people there are inherently conditioned within that system to be evil. It takes a special kind of person to not have any principles whatsoever in the single minded pursuit of themselves.
 
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Jobbs

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Widdle Puppy said:
Why does McConnell look like that senile old man in the nursing home who has no idea what's going on around him
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That's how he looks, but he's smart. And he's completely lacking in any kind of shame, morals -- He's essentially evil. Which is scary.

Imagine if Trump was smart
 
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balladofwindfishes

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Jobbs said:
That's how he looks, but he's smart. And he's completely lacking in any kind of shame, morals -- He's essentially evil. Which is scary.

Imagine if Trump was smart
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Evidently by the article posted a few posts up, he's not really that smart. He made a lot of easily avoidable mistakes. How could he believe not including the GOP in the creation of their own bill was a good idea?
 
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theWB27

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Jobbs said:
That's how he looks, but he's smart. And he's completely lacking in any kind of shame, morals -- He's essentially evil. Which is scary.

Imagine if Trump was smart
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Seems, just like every other republican, he's only smart in obstructing.
 
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