Bam Bam Baklava
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Health Care Vote Delayed Until After July 4th Recess
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Never be sure of anything, that's a life lesson from 2016.
Sweeney Tom
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https://twitter.com/Lawrence/status/879873257251495938
Lawrence O'Donnell ✔ @Lawrence
How many votes did McConnell really have for his Obamacare repeal? Answer @TheLastWord 10pm. (Hint: single digit)
They only had 5 yeses.
Lawrence O'Donnell ✔ @Lawrence
How many votes did McConnell really have for his Obamacare repeal? Answer @TheLastWord 10pm. (Hint: single digit)
They only had 5 yeses.
No way.
Amazing if true but I don't believe it.
balladofwindfishes
Member
And he plans on getting those 45 votes in 3 days of work on the bill?
good luck there Mr Turtle
ShadowSwordmaster
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The Autumn Wind
The grand Republican tradition of pulling the ladder up behind you.
TestOfTide
Banned
Like I said, no one wants to sign on to this suicide pact.
Takamura-San
Member
Find this really hard to believe.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Once it starts looking like a bill will fail, everyone jumps ship. It's especially true for such a toxic bill as this one.
Huh? Maybe he means hard yesses (delusional people who think BCRA is good policy)?
By now they have that many yeses maybe but if they had voted?
Muppet of a Man
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Sweeney Tom
Banned
They almost certainly would have gotten more during vote, but as it stood, of the people there, if a vote were held literally that day, they had 5 definite Yes and 9 definite No, everyone else not definite either way
They could only have 2 No and still be able to pass. Even at the point where it was only at 4-5 No (as in, yesterday), it was already DOA.
They can back and passed something that had no chance in the Senate.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Looking good everybody, looking good.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
NY Times said:
hahaha
God, I wish I lived in Kansas just so I could show up with a "Get a brain! Moran" sign.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Trump really does not comprehend ANYTHING put in front of him.
This is both a blessing and a curse. He cannot properly support Republican agendas, because he doesn't understand them at all. But he can also be taken advantage of because he doesn't understand.
This is both a blessing and a curse. He cannot properly support Republican agendas, because he doesn't understand them at all. But he can also be taken advantage of because he doesn't understand.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
hahaha
It would be nice if Trump supporters who seem to only exist when there's a thread about CNN would explain to us how this is okay with them. But then again, they signed up to defend the indefensible. Republican policy is perfectly defensible and a lot of smart people do so all the time, but Trump is so unfit for the job there is no defense for him.
Link
The Autumn Wind
I often wonder how many of them know how disingenuous they're being and how many of them are just gullible morons.
hahaha
Imagine asking Trump to name five details about this healthcare plan. You'd get "It's a good deal", "a good deal", and then he'd trail off talking about himself.
The only reason that shitty-ass bill passed the House was because the GOP knew it was going to immediately be discarded by the Senate - who would then draft their own bill. The GOP in the House basically had nothing to lose by voting "yes" on it. The Senate, however, were basically asked to carry the baggage and deal with the fallout if this thing actually made it through.
The problem is that the Republican party has too many warring factions who all want different things when it comes to healthcare reform.
False Witness
Member
You know, it's really wild to think that if roughly 300 people just stopped showing up to work, the lives of 320+ million people would start to improve.
The Last Wizard
Member
I don't reactions like this, you've got these evil bastards literally taking healthcare away from millions of people and definitely going to cause the death of many people and you're flabbergasted that someone is upset and wishes that said evil person would fuck off.
Cow Mengde
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Escape Goat
Member
Why are people still expecting Trump to get a handle on basic policy details? He's not interested in running a government.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
I just don't see how this is viable long term. How do you run a country when your entire thought process revolves around winning the daily news cycle?
Nightengale
Member
Delegate delegate delegate.
Well, sooner or later every leader will face circumstances that test their leadership, or lack of.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Delegation without clear leadership won't work. That's just putting the government on cruise control and hoping you go hundreds of miles without the road being anything but perfectly straight.
titiklabingapat
Member
Good. The GOP will most likely have control of the Senate too so those members that voted in the House are the ones who will pay for this shit. sogood.gif
Still, we can't let up.
Hydrogen Bluebird
Member
Not American and I don't know the details of this bill but why are Republicans so hell bent on replacing obamacare even if more people will lose healthcare? I mean at the most basic level, that's bad and anti-citizen right? Is it really just for the government to save money?
This is actually getting pretty near the end of the road for them. I can't find the article, but one of the senators was talking about how they essentially were going to move on to taxes simply because that would be something they could realistically pass.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Tax reform is actually very difficult.
Widdle Puppy
Banned
there were more people writing the bill (13) than there were yes votes (5) ? ....
what the actual fuck were these morons doing?
what the actual fuck were these morons doing?
It's difficult, but people are willing to compromise on it. Go into any health care bill thread here, for instance, and you'll hear such vitriol, such anger, name callings. Tax reform doesn't warrant that same level of anger.
1. A black Democrat created it.
2. Tax cuts for rich people have to come from somewhere.
Aaron Strife
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Clearly the group of 13 couldn't agree among themselves. McConnell just wanted to ram this through as quickly as he could.
DrForester
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Any Republican who didn't make a public statement against it, was for it in my view.
Caddywompus
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I would guess Wealthcare is meant to repay all the Republican donors who put them into office.
sunshine and gasoline
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Bahahaha. Unreal.
WiiredShawn
Member
It's sweet of you to think that Trump has any interest in running a country.
That's why he's such an unwitting asset to Bannon and all those "burn down the establishment" people - they get what they want not because of his clever tactics, but his sheer apathy in actually governing.
Which is part of why I wonder if Trump will just resign eventually, because everything is a hassle and fewer people are willing to stand behind him. I'm sure he'd rather spend time spinning the "underdog who got abused by the evil Washington establishment" narrative for his base and soaking in the attention.
DrForester
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Republicans have lied and demonized the ACA for the last seven years. It has been their only platform, and they've gotten all their dumbass supporters on board with thinking the ACA was the work of satan himself.
They can't turn face now and admit they were full of shit, that the ACA did a lot more good than bad, and that the ACA needs fixing, not repeal.
And they REALLY want tax breaks for the rich.
Well yeah, not sure how that worked but Cruz and Lee were part of the 13 and came out against it (because it's not evil enough)
I'd assume Portman, who was also one of the 13 would be against it, hard to see Cotton not supporting it, Toomey also, that 5 number doesn't make a lot of sense
David H Wong
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1) We're $18 trillion in debt. 2) Trump's plan INCREASES medical spending on the poor by about 34% over current levels over the next decade
http://reason.com/archives/2017/05/29/trumps-medicaid-cuts-actually-increase-f
The reason we're talking about a drastic cut is because medical costs are skyrocketing as are the populations of people who need those programs (Obama's plan would have nearly doubled Medicaid spending) so even that massive growth means millions will be pushed out of coverage.
But either way, the trend is that government spending for these social welfare programs has exploded - it's the blue part of the first graph here:
http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/06/2...-understand-the-extent-of-republican-failure/
It's not defense that's eating up the budget - it's this. "Entitlement" spending is what we call spending for programs for the elderly, disabled, unemployed, impoverished etc. and entitlements have been growing as a share of the federal budget at a terrifying rate. The Republicans say that we're choosing between cruelty or more cruelty - that the current system of spending will eventually collapse the system like in Greece.
I don't happen to agree with their exact plan (they are using their cuts to fund tax cuts for the rich) but they have plenty of economists on their side saying this trajectory isn't sustainable. Costs HAVE to come down at some point - you can't just keep printing money. When are we going to make those choices?
They're saying we either make those cuts now, or else the system will collapse and then millions truly will die.