TheInfamousKira
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He probably replied on a napkin "you go and get bent. : ( " or something and then blocked her on Twitter.
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Hellena Taylor (Voice of Bayonetta) Describes How She was Offered only $4,000 USD to Voice Her Again in Bayonetta 3.
He probably replied on a napkin "you go and get bent. : ( " or something and then blocked her on Twitter.
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah, about time to update that profile pic, isn't it?
HumanoidSharks
Member
How long do you think it took her to come up with #Bayonutters
Impotaku
Member
Probably not enough to live on with all the drugs she's obviously on. Not the behaviour of a rational person.
It's been a fun thread though for all the simping white knights to expose themselves, always a fun time watching them come to the defence of m'lady.
Majima Everywhere System
Member
That Twitter profile pic is pretty misleading, too.
Fake
Member
This thread is aging like wine ... at a record pace.
Actors are, almost without fail, egomaniacal morons. I feel sorry for anyone who has to negotiate with these self aggrandizing dummies.
I might just buy this game because she is NOT in it now. What a tone deaf liar.
Funfact: Twitter folks still trying to damage control with 'but but but, VA are not payed enough'.
I guess people really give the word SIMP a more deserve use.
onnextflix5
Member
15k is still way to low, but she fucked her self for lying lol
clem84
Gold Member
The pieces all fall into place.
Buggy Loop
Member
Am I getting this right?
- Broke NDA
- Lied about her former employee offer and started a smear campaign
- Tried to turn fans against Hale
- After we see that the offer she said she got is false, she’s doubling down on the boycott?
- Pulled franchise worth out of her ass, or does not understand that 450 million YEN is a mere $3.2M USD
- Claims that Bayonetta exists because of her
- Wanted 6 figures salary + royalties, something akin to a Simpson VA at their peak for the amount of work required for an action game..
- Claims that Jason Schreier is in Platinum’s pocket
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newtypepilot
Member
it's 15k for around 4 or 5 sessions of work, so like 20-25 hours. I wouldn't call that "a little low"
TaylorSwiftFan
Member
$15k is too low for a few hours of work?
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
A little, I said. Not super duper extra low. I mean, I'd do the job for 1000$
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Twitter crucifying her as we speak.
The worst things I've ever done in my life have gotten less interaction than her tweet update.
The worst things I've ever done in my life have gotten less interaction than her tweet update.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Spot on, except the $450M part. According to a tweet, she might had got that number by adding up all copies sold according to VG Chartz and x by $60. It calculates pretty spot on. Problem is not all games are sold at full price and VG's sales chart for the series includes a subtotal row which she included which doubled her sales count.Am I getting this right?
Holy crap, how to ruin your career 101. No fucking sane company would hire her after that, especially when she started this smear campaign and is not giving up. She’s a crackpot.
- Broke NDA
- Lied about her former employee offer and started a smear campaign
- Tried to turn fans against Hale
- After we see that the offer she said she got is false, she’s doubling down on the boycott?
- Pulled franchise worth out of her ass, or does not understand that 450 million YEN is a mere $3.2M USD
- Claims that Bayonetta exists because of her
- Wanted 6 figures salary + royalties, something akin to a Simpson VA at their peak for the amount of work required for an action game..
- Claims that Jason Schreier is in Platinum’s pocket
So not only is she a liar going on social media with out of context tweets, but she cant even read a sales chart right. Also, retail $$$ means nothing anyway. Whatever the true number is, you can chop off 30% due to the retail cut. The remaining amount is what Nintendo/Platinum's sales are to wheel and deal with.
Feel bad for Nintendo. Imagine negotiating with this kind of person.
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DemonGamerTTT
Member
Am I getting this right?
Holy crap, how to ruin your career 101. No fucking sane company would hire her after that, especially when she started this smear campaign and is not giving up. She’s a crackpot.
- Broke NDA
- Lied about her former employee offer and started a smear campaign
- Tried to turn fans against Hale
- After we see that the offer she said she got is false, she’s doubling down on the boycott?
- Pulled franchise worth out of her ass, or does not understand that 450 million YEN is a mere $3.2M USD
- Claims that Bayonetta exists because of her
- Wanted 6 figures salary + royalties, something akin to a Simpson VA at their peak for the amount of work required for an action game..
- Claims that Jason Schreier is in Platinum’s pocket
That person was full o crap since the beginning...
NinjaMouse
Member
LOL...with someone as off her rocker as this lady, I figure it started something like this:
"I bring this grievance to you, in the language of your people..." All the while getting fucked six ways from Sunday by Google Translate.
Cyberpunkd
Gold Member
Two things here:
1. The value of any IP is not just a number of copies sold times any arbitrary price. It also includes projected future earnings, grow potential, engagement, stickiness, etc. Usual stuff you use to value companies. So no matter what number she takes the calculation is wrong, and the value is larger. However...
2. The value should not determine your salary. You are offered an amount, it's either above or below market, you take it or not. Unless you are in a position to directly influence final product (a VA is not one, unless you are someone easily recognisable ; a producer or a director is one, which is why often they have contracts structured to give them % of gross profit a movie makes as royalties).
supernova8
Banned
I think based on what (seems to have) happened, they should have known it would be seen as an insult but yeah she definitely fucked up by: 1) trying to win by twitter mob justice and 2) more or less lying by omission and (I guess intentionally) moving pieces of the puzzle around to paint herself in a better light.
Only thing I could pick up on as a semi (not even semi, like quarter)-plus to her side of the story is that they offered her 10k and then bumped it up to 15k (ie raised it by 50% in one go). It's a pretty big jump and if they genuinely thought 10k was fair to start with, one would expect them to offer something like 11k (ie a 10% bump).
Also if they ended up paying Jennifer Hale like 20k (or whatever, who knows unless someone discloses it) then I suppose they may have be willing to go that high for Taylor. Then like you say, she probably fucked herself by countering with an astronomical amount. Maybe she thought they would counter with at least something better than 15k and didn't expect them to say "OK then no.. bye".
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
But low based on what? A pilot for Emirates airlines gets $10-15k per month for 120 flying hours. A doctor gets a bit more for who knows how many more hours...200 in a month? She is getting paid by the hour for her 15-20 hours of works and its well paid. You can't ask for more if your logic is that since its not consistent, then I must get paid quadruple than usual. Thats not the developers problem, there's an hourly rate and that's what you get. Troy Baker, do you think he is only working on TLOU series and that's all the cash he gets? He would be broke in a few years, that why he works on many other games as well as a VA for cartoons/anime to get that paycheck. Also does mocap acting which Im pretty sure besides giving her voice, she never actually acted out a scene in a mocap suit. Developers supposed to be sorry for her not looking for other gigs for TWELVE years?
It doesn't matter how much the brand/company makes, everyone has their own salary. I worked for EK and before covid their profits were 2-3 billion dollars in a year. Do you think my salary jumped triple in size? No, that's my job that I signed a contract to get paid and its expected I do well. I can't consider how much I should be paid just because the company is balling in cash.
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wondermega
Member
It may have been mentioned elsewhere, but i haven't caught it if so - and just as my brain it's trying to make a little sense of the course of events beyond "she is just crazy" to begin with or something. Has there been any mention of the recasting as far as this timeline has been concerned? Do we know for a fact that PG offered her X dollars for the role, she denied, and then they went to recast? Or did they perhaps go in bad faith (perhaps) and try to lowball salary negotiations with her, intending to recast anyway?
That's the only thing that sticks out to me a little - "we can continue to pay her on the lower end, as she is a no-name otherwise.. but hopefully she will refuse and we can get there higher-profile actress we'd prefer, instead of her." This is an oversimplification and certainly there could be a bit more politics behind that (she does no other VO work of note, for a reason perhaps?) I am just trying to fill in the blanks what may have gone on behind the scenes that caused her to go off the rails like this.
That's the only thing that sticks out to me a little - "we can continue to pay her on the lower end, as she is a no-name otherwise.. but hopefully she will refuse and we can get there higher-profile actress we'd prefer, instead of her." This is an oversimplification and certainly there could be a bit more politics behind that (she does no other VO work of note, for a reason perhaps?) I am just trying to fill in the blanks what may have gone on behind the scenes that caused her to go off the rails like this.
Cyberpunkd
Gold Member
It's price negotiation, same thing all the time. Companies lowball by habit, you go the other way, you meet in the middle. If they offered her 10K to start with they had it penciled between 20-30K.
Icymanipulator
Member
Haven’t really been following this news because I don’t really care at all who voices Bayonetta, but it’s p.funny that this lady lied about her wages.
onnextflix5
Member
It’s not just about hours , that determines what someone is worth, considering amount of potential profit that can be made, and that most VA’s are lucky to get 1 job a year, 15k is nothing, I’m not the only one is saying this, many in the industry, have been complaining for years, 15k plus plus a small royalty on profits made, would have been more fair.
gradient
Resident Cheap Arse
There is no way that a VA is entitled to or should be getting royalties. That's crazy thinking put out by self-proclaimed "creative" types who are delusional enough to believe that their work holds significantly higher value and draw than the work put in by all of the designers, artists, developers and sound techs who contribute far more over a far greater period of time.
Rykan
Member
And you think it's reasonable that a VA should be able to make enough money for an entire year based on just 1 job that typically lasts just a few days? Really?
midnightAI
Member
If they only plan on relying on that 1 job a year (one weeks work) then I dont know what to tell you, that's on them, but as an add on for a full time job then $15k for a one off 1 week gig is a lot of money
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Ev1L AuRoN
Member
I could smell the BS from a mile away. But I never fought, she admitted her omission, after that I don't know how anyone can defend her. As for the offer, it sounds pretty good to me, if 15 grand for a week's work isn't a living wage, IDK what else is, and for the argument she only gets one gig a year, frankly, if you can't make money consistently with your "talent" then go do something else. It's not up to the industry to pay a year's worth of salary for a VA who can't get enough gigs.
Bayonetta was his only role in the industry, even at that I can argue that it's not a stellar, easily replaceable job. The fact that she called for a boycott and grossly overestimated the value of the franchise shows me that either she is suffering from some mental breakdown or she is just a sociopath lying to get attention.
Bayonetta was his only role in the industry, even at that I can argue that it's not a stellar, easily replaceable job. The fact that she called for a boycott and grossly overestimated the value of the franchise shows me that either she is suffering from some mental breakdown or she is just a sociopath lying to get attention.
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Bippicaster
Neo Member
I found her demands insulting. 6 figure payment plus residuals?
Imagine you’re a developer pouring hundreds of hours into making a game, and then someone walks into a booth 4 times for 16 hours total and gets paid more than you. I would be livid.
The pay she was offered was more than fair.
Imagine you’re a developer pouring hundreds of hours into making a game, and then someone walks into a booth 4 times for 16 hours total and gets paid more than you. I would be livid.
The pay she was offered was more than fair.
Topher
Identifies as young
I'm going to pick a game and find a random voice actor. Astral Chain on Switch. Let's find a side character. Marie Wentz voiced by Cassandra Lee Morris. Never heard of her? Me either.
Here is her resume...
Cassandra Lee Morris | Actress, Sound Department, Additional Crew
Known for: Persona 5, League of Legends, Fortnite
www.imdb.com
She did 19 jobs in 2021. If she only got $5000 per job then she made $95k. Now if Hellana Taylor did the same amount of work as Morris and got paid $15k per job then she would have been paid $285,000 last year.
Tell us again how 15k is "nothing"?
Negotiator
Member
Maybe she should try OnlySimps. Plenty of white knights willing to pay her a "living wage".
-Zelda-
Banned
This whole thing has left a bad taste in my mouth. Had she been telling the truth, I would have been on her side. I would not have boycotted the game but I would have got it used I guess. It's sad that she did what she did and will likely never work in VA again at best, and may even be sued at worse. At the very least I will give her some benefit of the doubt because at least she did not go all straw feminist lets blame men, like some other women might have. Unless she did that as well, in which case, forget I said anything.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
My advice is just buy what you want at the price you feel is right (you feel comfortable with the purchase at a good value).
Don’t worry about ethics so much especially from social media whores as they will likely just be looking out for themselves, not you.
In this case it was an idiot who lost out on a VA gig trying her best to lie and sabotage the company. Other times it’s people baiting for clicks and followers. Pay no attention to them except laugh at their idiocy.
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solidus12
Member
Thought you said butt nutters
NinjaMouse
Member
I'd imagine she had some folks in her personal life armchair-quarterbacking the situation and filling her head with a bunch of "how it should be" and she ran with it. Oh well, she certainly guaranteed no more voice work for herself going forward.
digoutyoursoul
Member
What stands out to me is, has someone been advising her throughout all this or has she had a lack of advice, no one to tell her this might not be the best way to go about things or if someone did advise her to go this way then they have played a part in making her look disingenuous to say the least.
Kenpachii
Member
4k and 15k is pathetic low amounts.
She's right, she should be getting way more for the role but gets cucked by other va voice idiots that take her spot and basically grind all the value of there own shit down while at it.
Look, u can think 1000 a hour is a lot and don't get me wrong it is. But if you only get hired out of 8 years for 16 hours, its a pathetisch low amount specially if you voice the main character of the game and its the 3th installment. Her 450m claim can be laughed at, but the reality is websites on the internet show that number and that's where she went off with, so its based at least on something even if its entirely wrong, she should point her error out here atleast. But that mistake can be easily made because of no clue what u are looking at information.
Honestly if i was her i would want to be blacklisted from that shit, waste of fucking time as a profession.
She's right, she should be getting way more for the role but gets cucked by other va voice idiots that take her spot and basically grind all the value of there own shit down while at it.
Look, u can think 1000 a hour is a lot and don't get me wrong it is. But if you only get hired out of 8 years for 16 hours, its a pathetisch low amount specially if you voice the main character of the game and its the 3th installment. Her 450m claim can be laughed at, but the reality is websites on the internet show that number and that's where she went off with, so its based at least on something even if its entirely wrong, she should point her error out here atleast. But that mistake can be easily made because of no clue what u are looking at information.
Honestly if i was her i would want to be blacklisted from that shit, waste of fucking time as a profession.
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Grildon Tundy
Member
This is a bad take. Read the thread for the details of what went down here and revise it.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Even stripping all of the psyops out of this situation, no one is guaranteed a right to do WHATEVER they want AND get paid whatever they want. It is a low amount of money all things considered. Every VA would think so. Which is why most of them have reliable steady jobs and use VA to supplement until they know they've "made it," instead of quoting scripture into the ether until a comet made of diamonds impacts with the earth by her feet.
Stefan.North
Member
Oh come on! What a crybaby!
You got an offer, you said no, life moves on!
Nobody paid you less than agreed.
No one violated any written or unwritten agreement.
Nobody made you work in bad conditiones, or overworked you, or harassed you.
Imagine wanting to sell a car, have someone give you a bad offer and you talk crap on sosial media about him?!
Find another project and move on, lady. This move will mostly have other potensial employers to be wary about hiring you. Not to even say that you don't give any proof to your claims.
You got an offer, you said no, life moves on!
Nobody paid you less than agreed.
No one violated any written or unwritten agreement.
Nobody made you work in bad conditiones, or overworked you, or harassed you.
Imagine wanting to sell a car, have someone give you a bad offer and you talk crap on sosial media about him?!
Find another project and move on, lady. This move will mostly have other potensial employers to be wary about hiring you. Not to even say that you don't give any proof to your claims.
Halo is Back
Member
If I worried about the ethics of every company I brought from, I would have nothing left to buy. There are some lines I would draw but I mostly judge my buying habits on the price and quality of products/services.
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newtypepilot
Member
found the white knight simp
If you get very little job offers over that 8 year span, it's not the industry underpaying you. It's you having a low desirability.
HumanoidSharks
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MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Should of taken the 15k work week and then moved on to grow your voice acting career instead of burning bridges. I imagine their VA career is either over or forever stunted.
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