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96 posts in and no one has conclusively shown that they've actually watch the end of the movie... If you did you'd probably would have realized why much of this is so overdramatized.

Average age of a poster here < 12.

since the original thread starter has not seen the end, why would the rest of us comment on it?

But I and probably others agree with what you say otherwise... good for you He Who Is Older Than 12.

 

[Maxwell House]

So, just because it might have been intentionally cheesy, I have to like it? I am sorry, but I hate cheesy movies in every way. Hero just isn't a good movie.

 

[Fusebox]

I haven't watched but the start of the movie, where Nameless fights Snow or Sky or whatever his name is, but the movie is such a cheesy, poorly done Crouching Tiger in my eyes...

Glad you started with that intro so I knew not to bother reading any further.

 

[whytemyke]

if you didn't like hero, you have no taste in movies. It's just that simple.

 

[Jim Bowie]

So now I am culturally narrow minded because I thought Hero was a cheesy, cliched piece of tripe?

I never called you culturally narrow minded. I called olimario that for not watching the movie and then criticising it. And everyone who unfairly compares every asian cinematic piece to CTHD. Yes, yes, it's in the style, but it's not nearly the same movie. At all. It's like comparing apples and oranges; both are fruit, but they're definitely not the same thing. But about the comparison, I swear to you, everyone does it, and not just on this forum. I just got this the other day:

Guy: Hey, what are you watching?
Me: Oh, Ichi the Killer. It's by Takeshi Miike.
Guy: It kinda looks like Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon.
Me: Huh?
Guy: Yeah, I mean, they're talking the same language, right?
Me: No. And they're not even in traditional garb.
Guy: But they're fighting!
Me: With guns!
Guy: ...Whatever. It's still like Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon.

>=/

Hero was just a bad movie. The relationships especially were very poorly directed and told. The screaming and yelling during the fights weren't ordinary battle type cries..they were artsy ridiculous operatic crap. Watch the fight scenes again. You're telling me you never wanted to laugh because of the absurdity of all the overdramatized screaming and crying during those scenes?

Well, you just said it yourself- it's operatic. It's supposed to be large, epic, and immersive. It's the style of these films. You're the Asian film buff- tell me Once Upon a Time in China wasn't operatic. Tell me that any Zatoichi wasn't epic. Tell me that, yes, even Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon wasn't full of drama. That's what they're going for, and Hero does a very good job.

Furthermore, I didn't want to laugh during the screaming, crying fight scenes. The characters, in Nameless's lies, are pouring out their heart and soul into every sword stroke. Broken Sword's pupil, whom Flying Snow murdered, desperately wants revenge for the man she was passionately in love with. Flying Snow, devastated by the loss of the man she loves, breaks her calm composure because all she loved in this world had been torn from her. Broken Sword and Nameless, who were partners, had to fight in a forced duel of honor, not wanting to kill each other. These are intense fight sequences filled with raw emotion. Now tell me, do you still want to fucking laugh?

Also, what do you mean the cheesy parts were the way they really were back in old China? What does that mean? You mean that guys back then really fought while running over water, or that people could block thousands of fired arrows by spinning their arms around their bodies? Did emperor's invite known assassins into their palaces to shoot the shit the entire afternoon? During battles back then, did the combatants wail and cry and scream their lungs out the entire time? What exactly was realistic about the cheese factor present throughout the whole film? I don't get it.

The fighting scenes are supposed to be like that, again, it goes with the territory. You knew that going into the movie. I mean, seriously, how are you going to argue against that here and for that in other genre-specific films like this? The emperor offered a reward for the killer of these three conspirators. Nameless answered the call, and the emperor was forced to accept. He didn't know he was the assassin until they started to talk.

Have you ever been in a fight, Maxwell? I have been. When you're putting your shit on on the line, you lay down more than your body. You lay down your ego. You lay down your rationality. You put down everything and just start trying to kill/maim another human being. Now, in a fight, even between to grizzled veterans, do you expect them to remain completely emotionless and silent? Hell no! That would make for a bland, possibly boring fight! Now add the screaming. Add the crying. Add the raw emotion. It's so much more powerful!

96 posts in and no one has conclusively shown that they've actually watch the end of the movie... If you did you'd probably would have realized why much of this is so overdramatized.

The end of the movie.. is pretty unexpected. Everyone throughout the movie theater expects, oh, Jet Li's about to kick some fucking ass. But it doesn't happen like that. Instead, he takes his fate. He goes into this realizing that he will be martyred. He has no delusions of taking him down. It's why he says everything in the movie so matter-of-factly. Because he needs to get across one point: Unify China.

All of the people telling the warlord what do to is, once again, an artistic interpretation. It's supposed to represent how the warlord is torn between his emotions and the ways of his followers. He wants to please them, but he knows in his heart that Nameless is right. The shrouds of black around the advisors further plays this image, as black could be the color of shame. Or anxiety. Or anguish. You just don't know!

Overdramatization?? When a person gets sentenced to death, is that overdramatization? This is cause and effect. This is not overdramatization. This is how it is.

 

[whytemyke]

to call this film cheesy is just stupid. I'm usually not one to criticize other peoples opinions, but to even call this film cheesy is really just stupid. That's like looking at a painting by Dali and saying that, because you don't like postmodern art, and you don't like the shading, it's cheesy. That's what the fight scenes were in this movie-- art. They were constructed to artfully convey a set of emotions with a different set of emotions, to show you diferent things, to put everything into dual layers and even make you think deeper than the surface. (Go figure, an asian film, making you think philosophically? No way!)

If you didn't like the style the film was done in, that's fine. Not everybody likes Dali's work, either. But nobody calls Dali's paintings cheesy, because if they did they'd look stupid.

Just like everyone who calls Hero cheesy.

 

[Leon]

I remember the heavenly good times when upon being told that a movie wasn't enjoyed for some reason, the ordinary, peaceful, and final response was something along the lines of "Mmh? Interesting, I quite liked it myself." and the conversation would end...right...there....[/James Lipton voice]

 

[Gattsu25]

Would you continue playing a video game if the combat was bad, the visuals were lacking, and the story was cheesy?

you mean if the game were only a couple of hours and needed ZERO player interaction? your analogy makes no sense

have yet to see the movie, though. Jet Li relies too much on CG or camera tricks for my tastes