Heroes of Newerth Beta PC (dota clone)
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WonkyPanda
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Anybody got any keys left? 
Liquid Helium
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First 2 people to PM me with their email get invited.
Edit: I'm out
Edit: I'm out
I have never played a game of DOTA in my life before playing HoN and ohgod what have I been missing.
I can see and terrible, terrible addiction rapidly approaching.
It's a shame I completely WRECKED my KDR (though not my PSR) with my first few games of feeding kills to the other team. Oh well.
I can see and terrible, terrible addiction rapidly approaching.
It's a shame I completely WRECKED my KDR (though not my PSR) with my first few games of feeding kills to the other team. Oh well.
I don't even with this game.
I must be doing something wrong because I just get destroyed by members of the opposing team. I get like 1-shotted by people that are a similar level even. Then I spend the next 15-90 seconds dead trying to think where I went wrong. So anyway, the next game I pick the hero that destroyed me in the previous game... guess what, I'm still being/feeling useless for my team and I feel terrible about it. I mean I got the movement/kiting down I think, and I think I'm buying decent items... I get the +Max HP stuff and maybe a weapon, sometimes I get lifesteal as well to avoid having to go back all the time, but fuck. I've been failing pretty hardcore for the past 7 games now.
I just donno gaf, how do I play this game? I like it, but I feel bad for my team...
Note: I never played DOTA.
I must be doing something wrong because I just get destroyed by members of the opposing team. I get like 1-shotted by people that are a similar level even. Then I spend the next 15-90 seconds dead trying to think where I went wrong. So anyway, the next game I pick the hero that destroyed me in the previous game... guess what, I'm still being/feeling useless for my team and I feel terrible about it. I mean I got the movement/kiting down I think, and I think I'm buying decent items... I get the +Max HP stuff and maybe a weapon, sometimes I get lifesteal as well to avoid having to go back all the time, but fuck. I've been failing pretty hardcore for the past 7 games now.
I just donno gaf, how do I play this game? I like it, but I feel bad for my team...
Note: I never played DOTA.
Anomarad said:
The learning curve is brutal. The best advice I can give you is to stick to a single hero, learn the items and builds and such, and just play 10 or so games.
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/forumdisplay.php?f=17
The premium guides are there. Follow them until you can get the hang of the game and deviating in build and strategy.
Anomarad said:
Casval said:
I disagree.
In my opinion the most important thing in the game is not knowing your character, but knowing your enemies' characters. Once you know what each character in the game is capable of, you know when you should be aggressive and when you should get the fuck out. Pretty much the only way to do that is play all the characters. Just go into games and do a random, or pick someone you haven't played before. Ya you'll get creamed, but you'll learn a lot and you'll come out a much better player in the end.
Also be sure to always keep an eye on what items your enemy has. Sometimes fights that look like a sure thing can go sour just because you didn't realize they just gotton a butterfly (not sure what it's called in HoN), or master's staff.
There's merits to both, I think.
You're right that it's ridiculously important to understand all the heroes, but I think that might be a tall order for new players. 50 heroes is a lot, and just understanding their basic skills can be very difficult, especially for heroes like Magmus or Behemoth.
You're right that it's ridiculously important to understand all the heroes, but I think that might be a tall order for new players. 50 heroes is a lot, and just understanding their basic skills can be very difficult, especially for heroes like Magmus or Behemoth.
Thanks, I'll try a combination of the strategies. I read some of the guides on a few characters, and I'm about to try again. Question I have is: are there any bad heroes, like ones I should avoid?
Also, I'll probably find this out in a second but a lot of the guides have Fortified Bracelets as a core item, and they mention that it increases HP, but I checked it it just increases stats (6str 3agi 3int)... did this item change recently?
Also, I'll probably find this out in a second but a lot of the guides have Fortified Bracelets as a core item, and they mention that it increases HP, but I checked it it just increases stats (6str 3agi 3int)... did this item change recently?
Assuming HoN works anything like DotA:Anomarad said:
Str gives 13 hp + some hp regen + attack damage if you're a strength hero
Agi gives 0.7 armor + 1% attack speed + attack damage if you're an agility hero
Int gives 20 (?) mana + some mana regen + attack damage if you're an int hero
Fortified Bracelets (Bracers in DotA) are an early game item, best used on squishies since it's cheap to make and provides a noticeable boost in survivability against nukers and gankers.
Anomarad said:
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=12622
Check our weekly hero tier discussion topic =P
It doesn't include the two new heroes though (Hag and Succubus), though they're considered high tier.
Fortified Bracelets DO give HP. Every point of STR gives you HP!
PillowKnight
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Whenever i see anyone non tagged in the clan channel I send em an invite.mint said:
So anyone who hasn't been invited yet, idle in the neogaf clan chat channel and either me or sanjay will send you an invite.
PS: you just want to pad your stats even further dont ya.
Masta_Killah
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Hey, so I've been playing LoL for the last 3 days and I am hooked on this genre. I dabbled a bit with demigod but never took it online. I've heard of this game and would like to give it a try as well. Being that LoL is my first experience with moba games(never played dota but will now that I've gotten a taste of the online play with LoL), I would say my favorite class is a tank/dps hybrid.
Man GAF, you should have seen me play that last game! You would have been so proud.
Heads up, there's a new hero in town (me).
Also, is the gaf channel empty for the most part? I /join neogaf and /join gaf and there's no one there. I desire to challenge you all with my new found skills.
Heads up, there's a new hero in town (me).
Also, is the gaf channel empty for the most part? I /join neogaf and /join gaf and there's no one there. I desire to challenge you all with my new found skills.
I'm not that confident. :lol
Community seems very hostile. I played my first game (never played dota, just demigod and LoL) and told my teammates I had never played before. They nearly had a nervous breakdown. One guy tried to be helpful by suggesting my item progression, but everyone else was perpetually pissed off at me and when we lost one battle even told the other team it was because we have an extreme noob on our side. No doubt I played poorly, but I got some kills and we won the match, so whatever. People just like excuses.
May not play again.
May not play again.
Ultimo hombre
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EviLore said:
I played my first 2 games today. The community, for me in those two, was really helpful, heads and shoulders above Dota. I'd put Dota community abuse above even Counter Strike and XBox Live. Now that's saying something. However, I don't expect my experience today to be the norm. It's just the type of intense game that turns people into assholes. Sadly just having 1 bad teammate can be the key to losing. It's even worse when the noob won't listen, which is more than often, thus the reactions you see when people encounter a noob. Now if the game was labled "noobs only" and people were being dicks, well, that just e-thuggery in action.
The game is basically a graphically updated Dota. A lot of the heroes are exact copies and so are the items. My biggest issue was a technical one. The game would stutter every time a new hero would come into fog of war range. I'd get a 2-3 seconds freeze and the speed up to bring me upto current gameplay. Anyone else get that?
I was able to shake off my dota addiction a year + ago. Now I have to debate going back to it. The game look beautiful on my Dell 3008wfp though
esp coming from Dota.HoN has been, in my experience, a more polished experience, with a far cleaner competitive edge than LoL. LoL's UI/matchmaking system is also way fucked. I'm not a fan of the persistent rune system as those bonuses make the early game HEAVILY favor higher level people (which you do get thrown in with) and that means lower level people are getting ganked earlier on = higher level people leveling faster = earlier pushes = more game losses for lower level people.
Each game has their merits to be sure, but from the competitive side of things (the reason I would play either game) HoN out does LoL.
Each game has their merits to be sure, but from the competitive side of things (the reason I would play either game) HoN out does LoL.
Metalic Sand
who is Emo-Beas?
JoeMartin said:
Exactly what i think. LoLs persistence is its downfall, While its meant to be a catch to keep you playing and addicted by leveling up MMO style its never balenced.
HoN succeeds by adding Dedicated servers (Pretty sure LoL is P2P, thats why you all sync before playing and its slow as hell) Also the VOIP.
@EvilLore
Yeah, I can understand why you'd be put off. I've been playing DotA since Warcraft 3 RoC, and honestly, there are STILL games I play that make me want to uninstall. I'm ranked 47 right now going by PSR, so I'm not playing on the noob level either :lol
Seriously, you guys, just go to Clan NeoGAF. Sanjay is always there at the very least :lol
You can always whisper me (Nome) for a game too, I'd be glad to show you the ropes!
Yeah, I can understand why you'd be put off. I've been playing DotA since Warcraft 3 RoC, and honestly, there are STILL games I play that make me want to uninstall. I'm ranked 47 right now going by PSR, so I'm not playing on the noob level either :lol
Seriously, you guys, just go to Clan NeoGAF. Sanjay is always there at the very least :lol
You can always whisper me (Nome) for a game too, I'd be glad to show you the ropes!
Guys, if you aren't in GAF clan yet, I suggest you get a hold of Blitz and get him to invite you in.
It's a lot easier to learn the game when you can play with other GAFFERS who probably won't berate you for being a noob. But as has been already said, the learning curve is really brutal. If you stick to it, prepare to get rewarded in spades, but it's not for everyone.
Now having had a chance to play LoL and HoN both, I can honestly say that it's like red wine is to white wine. Some people will prefer one to the other. Both are great though in their own way.
It's a lot easier to learn the game when you can play with other GAFFERS who probably won't berate you for being a noob. But as has been already said, the learning curve is really brutal. If you stick to it, prepare to get rewarded in spades, but it's not for everyone.
Now having had a chance to play LoL and HoN both, I can honestly say that it's like red wine is to white wine. Some people will prefer one to the other. Both are great though in their own way.
blitz64
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Metalic Sand said:
There will be no downfall for LoL. It is FREE. it has the upperhand where there will be atleast a million people trying to play the first month. It's not balance now because it is beta. LoL is not p2p, it's dedicated servers just like HoN. That's why you can reconnect to a game just like HoN, I already said too much. There is no lag for me in USA. I think all the servers are US base so far since their european beta has not started yet.
It seems dota fans are split 50/50 from my personal experience. 50% will like HoN more, 50% will like LoL more. I like both and don't really like bashing either game. Let this dota/moba genre grow.
Metalic Sand
who is Emo-Beas?
blitz64 said:
Had no idea LoL used servers. My experience with HoN is 5-10 seconds and youre loaded into the game. LoL can take up to 30 seconds to even a minute because youre waiting for others to load.
Downfall would be the dota fans just not playing it and buying items where riot will make a chunk of money so it would hurt them.
I know there both beta but i cant help but compare.
Teknopathetic
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"Downfall would be the dota fans just not playing it and buying items where riot will make a chunk of money so it would hurt them."
Do you really think it's the dota players they're after with the item shops? (And even some of those will be tempted to have a super e-peen flaming sword or some shit) Free-to-play games basically make it by having a large enough playerbase (enticing them by being free, of course) that you only need a tiny percentage of the playerbase to cough up some cash to be profitable.
The DotA fans are not that important if it grabs everyone else.
GGs Casval.
Do you really think it's the dota players they're after with the item shops? (And even some of those will be tempted to have a super e-peen flaming sword or some shit) Free-to-play games basically make it by having a large enough playerbase (enticing them by being free, of course) that you only need a tiny percentage of the playerbase to cough up some cash to be profitable.
The DotA fans are not that important if it grabs everyone else.
GGs Casval.
furrygiblets
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Been playing LoL and would love to try this if anyone has a spare key. No doubt the ex DOTA people would have a go at me for being shit though
thestopsign
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I have two League of Legends invites, so I'll trade someone for a HoN invite. Just want to try both out to weigh my options before diving into either game. Just PM me your email, and I'll PM you mine so we can trade. This is totally out of trust here.
Edit: Both are gone, thanks for the invite Sabot!
Edit: Both are gone, thanks for the invite Sabot!
thestopsign
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CryptiK said:
Uh... sure. Just PM me your email.
GhostRidah
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Einherjar said:
A post by my friend on the TDA forums:
For all of you doubters, I will give you four reasons to give HoN a try or give it a second, serious look if you went "meh" the first time.
1) The rating and statistics systems gives people incentive to stay in pub games. Most people take ratings and leave % very seriously, so you will mostly have leaver-free games. Those who do not will quickly find themselves excluded from games based on leaver % and also have their ratings plummet. With the ability to check for kill-death ratio and other info, you can avoid playing with feeders. There's also an autobalance function that divides people based on their ratings so you can have a more reasonable chance at a fair game than if you wander into any random DotA game. Also, there is locking of positions that lets you ask the host to keep you with a buddy or two even after autobalancing has taken place. In my experience, locking friends is considered a common courtesy.
2) Everything about the online interface is awesome. You can be present in multiple chat channels, including postgame chat channels that are automatically created. While you're inside a lobby or playing a game, you can use the F6 overlay to view chat and check up on the status of friends and clanmates... not mention those player stats, a la WC3 profiles. As for finding games, you can filter by game mode and quickly locate an -sd. You can also see your ping to the server (did I mention that there are dedicated servers for games, a la WC3 ladder games?) so that you avoid games with poor latency. Oh, and I'm pretty sure that default command latency is not 250ms, so LC or other programs that simulate LAN conditions are entirely moot.
3) The graphics and game interface. First off, widescreen resolution support is really, really, really awesome. For those with widescreen monitors and/or laptops that don't support running programs in true 4:3 aspect ratio, you will quickly learn to love this and feel that the stretched look of WC3 is quite ugly in comparison. And speaking of the graphics, they're pretty solid if not exceptionally lifelike... but the graphics still feel like DotA while improving upon a graphics engine that's 7 years old. Note that they can't just import models from another company's game, so they've had to modify heroes graphically and vocally. Yeah, some of the vocals are annoying and others don't have sound sets ready yet, but that's what you get from a beta. Aside from graphics, the interface overall feels much cleaner (less bulky menu stuff at the top), the game clock is centered on the screen, you can enable a mini-scoreboard with only death timers and hero icons/colors, display of other players' units is separate from your own (so heroes like Axe or Zeus can be more certain of getting kills with their ults)... so many good things.
4) If you wanna play with me, I've been on HoN way more often than DotA in the past couple of weeks. Oh, and so have a lot of other people from TDA staff and a lot of their friends. But really, who cares about them?