Its particularly egregious on Sonya, who at 16 and 20 becomes harder to kill than most tanks and has all that ridiculous self healing. I mean, I understand and agree she shouldn't count as a tank, but equally you can't put her in a game and not have a bruiser on the other side as well.
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I think you'll find a post from me from a year ago saying she needed to lose that talents... ;-). You can't be a bruiser and have two direct tanking talents like that. Doesn't make sense and results in really lopsided games later on when she just becomes unkillable.
My question re: the Twitch cheer loot thing...the vast majority of teams aren't gonna be at Clash, so why would I be cheering for Dignitas or Roll 20 during that event? I mean obviously some people will, but it seems like the kind of thing that would make more sense for regular season play.
Wrath also needs to be toned down w/r/t how it interacts with spells. I do like how it gives more dmg to q or more healing to e, but it feels like the numbers arent really considered here.
I did about a third of dehaka's health (including poison) with one ability rotation i think
If she were squishy before 16 id have less of a problem with it (tho the 20, that talent was a mistake on everyone), but shes not even that
Shes finally getting picked in competitive now too so i bet that conversation starts up soon
I did about a third of dehaka's health (including poison) with one ability rotation i think
If she were squishy before 16 id have less of a problem with it (tho the 20, that talent was a mistake on everyone), but shes not even that
Shes finally getting picked in competitive now too so i bet that conversation starts up soon
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
yeah one of us brought it u a while ago and we pretty unanimously agreed those talents had to go.
It's just their way of putting their hand further in the pot
Last part of this especially
Q: Why would I would I want to Cheer?
A: To show your support, to interact in chat in a highly visible way, to celebrate when something cool happens, have fun, make crazy copypasta.
Man imagine if posting copypasta cost a buck a pop
Last part of this especially
Q: Why would I would I want to Cheer?
A: To show your support, to interact in chat in a highly visible way, to celebrate when something cool happens, have fun, make crazy copypasta.
Man imagine if posting copypasta cost a buck a pop
scoobs
Member
The stone skin one is less problematic (although quite boring), I prefer the movement speed one myself, but the hardened shield at 20 is just ridiculous.
WonderRade
Member
i could see Dig or Roll20 or Nav being cheered ironically. Like now you can throw a naventic logo on there every time you cheer ZUNA FEED or lagf
jaundicejuice
Member
Where is Garrosh?
scoobs
Member
Monday PTR
jaundicejuice
Member
That's far too long to wait.
scoobs
Member
Theyre showing him off at some Chinese event where I believe he will be playable Thursday or Friday I think. So we will at least know his kit and see him being played before Monday.
jaundicejuice
Member
Alpha Centauri
Member
I don't play Dota 2. Is that similar to butcher?
my little foray into QM tonight gave me 3 games with nearly identical enemy (partied) teams, all including a solo DVA while i had just random assortment of whatever on my team
jesus no wonder dva caught those weird nerfs, she doesn't classify as a tank?
every single one of those games was suffer, get your shit together blizz
jesus no wonder dva caught those weird nerfs, she doesn't classify as a tank?
every single one of those games was suffer, get your shit together blizz
Karsticles
Member
There's no correlate in HotS. Axe can do the following stuff:
1) Taunt everyone around him to force-attack him for a bit.
2) Every time he gets hit, % chance to whirlwind for AoE damage around him.
3) A finishing blow attack for anyone who is worn down.
So a good Axe player teleports into the enemy team, taunts all of them, and does a bunch of AoE damage while they are helplessly autoattacking. Then he executes a weakling and the fight is won.
He's a ton of fun to play. I would love Garrosh as an Axe correlate.
jaundicejuice
Member
Think AoE Varian taunt with random extra auto-attacks proc'ing while you're taunted and attacking him.
The fun thing about Axe is if his Ult, an overhead slam with his axe, kills a low health target, insta-gibs and turns them into red mist, it resets the CD and he can use it again immediately.
The fun thing about Axe is if his Ult, an overhead slam with his axe, kills a low health target, insta-gibs and turns them into red mist, it resets the CD and he can use it again immediately.
Karsticles
Member
When did they let his ult do that? I haven't played seriously since DotA1. I tried DotA2 out a few months ago, got annihilated and realized I needed a more forgiving game like HotS.
jaundicejuice
Member
Always in Dota 2, or at least it was that way for quite a while...
The teamwide movement speed thing came later, I think, it's been a while since I last played Dota 2.
http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Axe
The teamwide movement speed thing came later, I think, it's been a while since I last played Dota 2.
http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Axe
Karsticles
Member
That's hot, and a great way to give Axe players something to do after their initial combo.
jaundicejuice
Member
Having a tank with an aggressive design like that sounds like it would suit Garrosh Hellscream. Besides, who doesn't want to punch Garrosh in the face?
Looking forward to the dialogue between him and Thrall. "You cheated at Mak'gora Thrall"
Looking forward to the dialogue between him and Thrall. "You cheated at Mak'gora Thrall"
They gave something similar to Axe's ability to Malthael where it just straight up kills a character below a certain HP point. Maybe Go for the Throat as well for the resets?
But yeah Axe has no corollary in HOTS. The combination of Counter Helix and AOE Taunt is what makes Axe hella interesting.
Remember that in DOTA 1 Axe's model was based off of Grommash Hellscream. I do hope Garrosh plays similar to Axe but I really doubt it for 3 main reasons:
1) HOTS really scales back on the RNG element compared to DOTA 2 which I like a lot. I doubt Blizzard would implement an ability like Counter Helix in the game even though now Counter Helix works off of pseudo RNG.
2) An AOE taunt as a regular ability it too powerful in HOTS, that's like a Heroic ability.
3) Battle Hunter doesn't work when there's no last hitting in the game.
But yeah Axe has no corollary in HOTS. The combination of Counter Helix and AOE Taunt is what makes Axe hella interesting.
Remember that in DOTA 1 Axe's model was based off of Grommash Hellscream. I do hope Garrosh plays similar to Axe but I really doubt it for 3 main reasons:
1) HOTS really scales back on the RNG element compared to DOTA 2 which I like a lot. I doubt Blizzard would implement an ability like Counter Helix in the game even though now Counter Helix works off of pseudo RNG.
2) An AOE taunt as a regular ability it too powerful in HOTS, that's like a Heroic ability.
3) Battle Hunter doesn't work when there's no last hitting in the game.
scoobs
Member
Theres more than that, nazeebo, thrall, ragnaros as well. Last hitting is weirdly becoming quite prominent in HOTS
Alpha Centauri
Member
Valla death dealer is a huge last-hitting mechanic as well. Demonstrated by this (amazing ) clip here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnDf6geZ2-E&t=0s
Damn that sucks. I certainly understand. If I played Quick Match alone I'd probably uninstall too, being 100% honest. Unranked is such a better experience its not even funny. You get a semblance of a real comp, and usually its not the same type of clown fiesta. TL with 5s is the most fun, but obviously requires 4 other people.
This video about win conditions is really good for anyone grappling with the idea
Identifying what you need to do and the best way to do it is the #1 thing that separates good and bad players
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehu38NgdZkw
Identifying what you need to do and the best way to do it is the #1 thing that separates good and bad players
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehu38NgdZkw
I think there's probably something wrong with him at the pro level, but at normal level of play (even Master level) he isn't overpowered. He's just brutally unfun in every respect to play against, and that's what needs fixing.
Imo his kit should for all purposes indicate a more niche pick and the fact that he can get away(?) with being first pick shows something. But id say that at the top lvl they have been dealing with him very well recently and i wouldnt be surprised if he lost fp/fb status organically without nerfs
I personally dont think he's unfun to play against but im def in the minority i think
I personally dont think he's unfun to play against but im def in the minority i think
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
well his dash stopping at terrain would be a start.
Alpha Centauri
Member
Damn ya'll stay hounding Rhaknar. Let them play what they want lmao
Blizzard fans hate when you play other blizzard games. Not even joking, this is something I've noticed lol.
I truly don't mind, I just enjoy giving Rhaknar a hard time because of how HAM he gets with HOTS when he's into it. Plus, any excuse to use a good GIF is a good excuse.