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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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Kolgar

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borghe said:
I couldn't be happier with either purchase. Anything I should know about using my 360 and PS3 as movie players?
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You got into HD exactly the same way I did. Now I own a Toshiba HD-A2 as well, but in answer to your question: Nope--just enjoy your movies. :)
 
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ziegen

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The Main Event said:
The Heroes box set is free only with the 360 add-on.
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I've been thinking about this deal, along with the 5 free movies via mail in, and it sounds like a pretty sweet deal.

Stupid question here probably:

Currently I have a SD TV and am planning on upgrading to HD sometime in the next year. Will these movies play on my current TV (I know I won't have a HD picture)? If they won't play at all I will just wait, but if they'll play I'll go ahead and pick this up now and then pick up a BD player when I get my new TV.

Any info. would be appreciated.

Thanks, z.
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
ziegen said:
I've been thinking about this deal, along with the 5 free movies via mail in, and it sounds like a pretty sweet deal.

Stupid question here probably:

Currently I have a SD TV and am planning on upgrading to HD sometime in the next year. Will these movies play on my current TV (I know I won't have a HD picture)? If they won't play at all I will just wait, but if they'll play I'll go ahead and pick this up now and then pick up a BD player when I get my new TV.

Any info. would be appreciated.

Thanks, z.
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They'll play, but I think that you should probably wait until you have the tv. Otherwise, what's the point? There will likely be even better deals when you go to buy your add-on next year.

And maynerd, did you try disabling the network access option on the 360 add-on's advanced menu? I'm wondering if that'll solve the problem without having to disconnect from xbox live.
 
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Flo_Evans

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So any super deals this week? (without buying a new player) I want to pick up some of the kubrick classics on bluray on the cheap if possible (I already own most of them on DVD)
 
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maynerd

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VanMardigan said:
And maynerd, did you try disabling the network access option on the 360 add-on's advanced menu? I'm wondering if that'll solve the problem without having to disconnect from xbox live.
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I did not try that. I will try that next time.
 
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Flo_Evans

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broadwayrock said:
Stanley Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange on HD DVD and Blu-ray has unfortunately been cropped from its original aspect ratio of 1.66 to 1.78:

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews33/_clockwork_orange_HD_Blu-ray.htm

This was probably done to appease the idiots who moan about black bars on their tvs.
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can of worms... kubrick shot everything open matte, alot of people argue that his intention was to have his films presented in 4:3...
 
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borghe

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Flo_Evans said:
can of worms... kubrick shot everything open matte, alot of people argue that his intention was to have his films presented in 4:3...
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pretty much. a lot of his movies have been shown in multiple aspect ratios and when asked what he thought of it he kind of gave off the impression of "who cares".

the entire point of OAR is to present the movie as the director intended it to be seen. Kubrick really didn't care much about the aspect ratio you saw his movies in, sometimes presenting them in different ARs himself. With that being the case, it's tough to say that one of his movies in a different AR than what was originally shown is not "as the director intended"...

his works are some of the rarest exceptions of this. almost all other times I agree with OAR purists.. but for kubrick you just have to accept that he really never had much of a framing vision while shooting his movies outside of shot composition.
 
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Flo_Evans

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borghe said:
pretty much. a lot of his movies have been shown in multiple aspect ratios and when asked what he thought of it he kind of gave off the impression of "who cares".

the entire point of OAR is to present the movie as the director intended it to be seen. Kubrick really didn't care much about the aspect ratio you saw his movies in, sometimes presenting them in different ARs himself. With that being the case, it's tough to say that one of his movies in a different AR than what was originally shown is not "as the director intended"...

his works are some of the rarest exceptions of this. almost all other times I agree with OAR purists.. but for kubrick you just have to accept that he really never had much of a framing vision while shooting his movies outside of shot composition.
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I don't know if I would say he 'didn't care' infact according to rumor and legend he was very upset about how his movies where shown in theaters and on home TVs.

11/ Why are Some Kubrick films only available in the "full frame" aspect ratio (1) on VHS video, DVD and Laserdisc?

It seems to have been Kubrick's preference for his films to be shown in the 4:3 or "full frame" aspect ratio, because, according to his long-standing personal assistant Leon Vitali, that was the way he composed them through the camera viewfinder and if it were technically still possible to do so, he would have liked them to be shown full frame in cinemas as well. As Vitali said in a recent interview (2): "The thing about Stanley, he was a photographer that's how he started. He had a still photographer's eye. So when he composed a picture through the camera, he was setting up for what he saw through the camera - the full picture. That was very important to him. It really was. It was an instinct that never ever left him. [...] He did not like 1.85:1. You lose 27% of the picture, Stanley was a purist. This was one of the ways it was manifested."

The decision to release Kubrick's back catalogue as full frame only has been very controversial. The problem for Vitali and other defenders of the Kubrick legacy is that Kubrick never publicly voiced the preference now being attributed to him, so they are always open to the charge of over zealousness in protecting his legacy or even outright betrayal of that legacy. But this seems excessively harsh, Vitali' has been given the Hobson's choice of remaining true to his employers wishes no matter how anachronistic they seem (or may seem in future given the recent advances in home entertainment technology). Like a devoted acolyte, protecting his masters life work his position he will not yield to the clamour of criticism but will remain intractable in his resolve because he is not fighting for himself or defending his personal opinions, but those of the person he devoted half his adult life to serving. Ironically no one will ever know what would have happened if 16:9 widescreen TV sets became commonplace before Kubrick died -- he could might rethought his films one more time and chosen to transfer them to that widescreen ratio, or offered consumers the choice. Who knows? But one thing is certain, as long as his loyal staff and family still have a say in the matter, we will only being seeing his films in the format he wanted them to be shown in before he died.
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human5892

Queen of Denmark
borghe said:
pretty much. a lot of his movies have been shown in multiple aspect ratios and when asked what he thought of it he kind of gave off the impression of "who cares".

the entire point of OAR is to present the movie as the director intended it to be seen. Kubrick really didn't care much about the aspect ratio you saw his movies in, sometimes presenting them in different ARs himself. With that being the case, it's tough to say that one of his movies in a different AR than what was originally shown is not "as the director intended"...

his works are some of the rarest exceptions of this. almost all other times I agree with OAR purists.. but for kubrick you just have to accept that he really never had much of a framing vision while shooting his movies outside of shot composition.
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I'd add to this that it's difficult to say how Kubrick, along with other directors who died before the advent of the growing number of widescreen home displays, would have reacted to today's home theater development. It's possible that had he remained alive to witness the growth of the widescreen HDTV movement, Kubrick himself would have approved or commissioned different aspect ratios more appropriate for the new format.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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SO my question with the Kubrick films is-- is it cropped to make it full-frame (widescreen) or is additional material included? Because cropping the sides off something that's already had the top and bottom cropped seems like the worst of all worlds.
 
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Bebpo

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Dot50Cal said:
I dont own it but the picture I seen, it has terrible aliasing. Yes you did ;(
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The main problem with the original release, was the film source was dirty as hell. In the finale action scene at night it's almost unwatchable with grain dots everywhere.

I think a lot of us are wondering if this is an all new HD remaster compared to the old one.
 
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Flo_Evans

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Ignatz Mouse said:
SO my question with the Kubrick films is-- is it cropped to make it full-frame (widescreen) or is additional material included? Because cropping the sides off something that's already had the top and bottom cropped seems like the worst of all worlds.
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In this case I assume there are shaving a bit off the top and bottom. The OAR is 1.66 which is more square than current 16:9 (or 1.78) sets. So it would of had black bars on the sides instead of the top and bottom.

To be quite honest the difference is very small and most people would not even notice the black bars on the sides due to overscan.
 
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Oni Jazar

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Transformers numbers are in:

190k (shipped?) in the first week.

http://home.businesswire.com/portal...ng=en&beanID=202776713&viewID=news_view_popup

HOLLYWOOD--(BUSINESS WIRE)--The blockbuster hit from DreamWorks Pictures and Paramount Pictures, TRANSFORMERS, is the year’s top-selling week one DVD with North American sales reaching 8.3 million units since the title’s debut on October 16, it was announced today by Paramount Home Entertainment. The biggest original film of the year from director Michael Bay and executive producer Steven Spielberg, in association with Hasbro, Inc. (NYSE:HAS), is also the best-selling DVD day one for the year with over 4.5 million units sold on Tuesday. Additionally, the smash hit has exploded into the high definition market, selling over 100,000 HD DVDs its first day of release, rocketing past previous releases to become the best-selling day one high definition title on either format since their inceptions. TRANSFORMERS has sold over 190,000 HD DVDs in its first week making it the fastest and best-selling week one release on either high definition format as well as the best selling HD DVD ever. The TRANSFORMERS DVD is also the top-selling October DVD release in the history of the home entertainment industry.
 
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maynerd

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Oni Jazar said:
Transformers numbers are in:

190k (shipped?) in the first week.

http://home.businesswire.com/portal...ng=en&beanID=202776713&viewID=news_view_popup

HOLLYWOOD--(BUSINESS WIRE)--The blockbuster hit from DreamWorks Pictures and Paramount Pictures, TRANSFORMERS, is the year’s top-selling week one DVD with North American sales reaching 8.3 million units since the title’s debut on October 16, it was announced today by Paramount Home Entertainment. The biggest original film of the year from director Michael Bay and executive producer Steven Spielberg, in association with Hasbro, Inc. (NYSE:HAS), is also the best-selling DVD day one for the year with over 4.5 million units sold on Tuesday. Additionally, the smash hit has exploded into the high definition market, selling over 100,000 HD DVDs its first day of release, rocketing past previous releases to become the best-selling day one high definition title on either format since their inceptions. TRANSFORMERS has sold over 190,000 HD DVDs in its first week making it the fastest and best-selling week one release on either high definition format as well as the best selling HD DVD ever. The TRANSFORMERS DVD is also the top-selling October DVD release in the history of the home entertainment industry.
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4.5 million units in one day? That's halo 3 kind of numbers!
 
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Oni Jazar

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VanMardigan said:
Considering the dvd total seems like actual sales, why would you assume the HD DVD number is shipped?
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I always question PR numbers unless they explicitly state, "sold through" or "sold to consumers".
 
The Main Event

The Main Event

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Oni Jazar said:
Transformers numbers are in:

190k (shipped?) in the first week.

http://home.businesswire.com/portal...ng=en&beanID=202776713&viewID=news_view_popup

HOLLYWOOD--(BUSINESS WIRE)--The blockbuster hit from DreamWorks Pictures and Paramount Pictures, TRANSFORMERS, is the year’s top-selling week one DVD with North American sales reaching 8.3 million units since the title’s debut on October 16, it was announced today by Paramount Home Entertainment. The biggest original film of the year from director Michael Bay and executive producer Steven Spielberg, in association with Hasbro, Inc. (NYSE:HAS), is also the best-selling DVD day one for the year with over 4.5 million units sold on Tuesday. Additionally, the smash hit has exploded into the high definition market, selling over 100,000 HD DVDs its first day of release, rocketing past previous releases to become the best-selling day one high definition title on either format since their inceptions. TRANSFORMERS has sold over 190,000 HD DVDs in its first week making it the fastest and best-selling week one release on either high definition format as well as the best selling HD DVD ever. The TRANSFORMERS DVD is also the top-selling October DVD release in the history of the home entertainment industry.
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190K is huge number (for HD media) if accurate.

300 did 250K for both formats on its first week.
Casino Royale BD did around 59K (?) for its first week last april.
 
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djkimothy

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The Main Event said:
190K is huge number (for HD media) if accurate.

300 did 250K for both formats on its first week.
Casino Royale BD did around 59K (?) for its first week last april.
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LOL, a little too excited? ;)

This may well win the week for HDDVD.
 
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djkimothy

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neojubei said:
So what BDs are coming out this Tuesday?
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From highdef digest...


October 23, 2007

* 2001: A Space Odyssey (Blu-ray)
* 2001: A Space Odyssey (HD DVD)
* Carlito's Way (HD DVD)
* Carlito's Way: Rise to Power (HD DVD)
* A Clockwork Orange (Blu-ray)
* A Clockwork Orange (HD DVD)
* The Company (2007) (Blu-ray)
* Eyes Wide Shut (Blu-ray)
* Eyes Wide Shut (HD DVD)
* Full Metal Jacket: Deluxe Edition (Blu-ray)
* Full Metal Jacket: Deluxe Edition (HD DVD)
* The Hills Have Eyes 2 (2007) (Blu-ray)
* Home of the Brave (Blu-ray)
* Hostel (Director's Cut) (Blu-ray)
* Hostel: Part II (Blu-ray)
* Inside Man (HD DVD)
* Keali'i Reichel - Live in Concert (HD DVD)
* King of New York (Blu-ray)
* Meet the Robinsons (Blu-ray)
* Motorhead: Stage Fright (HD DVD)
* Mr. Brooks (Blu-ray)
* Scary Movie (Blu-ray)
* Seed of Chucky (HD DVD)
* The Shining (1980) (Blu-ray)
* The Shining (1980) (HD DVD)
* The Sopranos: Season Six, Part Two (Blu-ray)
* The Sopranos: Season Six, Part Two (HD DVD)
 
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Frankfurter

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Weren't the total sales per week for each plattform sth. like ~30-60k (sth. arround that mark) in the last months? Considering Transformers apparently did 190k alone, that should easily put HD DVD in front in that week.
 
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maynerd

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Frankfurter said:
Weren't the total sales per week for each plattform sth. like ~30-60k (sth. arround that mark) in the last months? Considering Transformers apparently did 190k alone, that should easily put HD DVD in front in that week.
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Keep in mind there were quite a bit of deals to be had for Blu-ray during the week as well. I don't think it'll be enough to keep TF from being on top but it should have made an impact.
 
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OokieSpookie

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djkimothy said:
Well, 190k is pretty significant...
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I agree, it is damned good and is a great for the format.
I just again think that those bogo sales and whatnot will counter the push as a whole and while it may come out close I do not think the format will win over all for the week
 
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DoubleTap

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RaidenZR said:
And a decade+ of penetration separates them as well. Of course it doesn't compare right now.
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Thus the use of the word "looong". But more than stating the obvious, it puts a lot of perspective as to why people even bother arguing about this "war". All that emotional and intellectual investment doesn't seem worth it.
 
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Bebpo

Banned
190k is huge. I find it disturbing that such a shitty movie basically became the highest selling HD disc, but it's good for the format growth so *shrug*
 
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OokieSpookie

Banned
DoubleTap said:
Thus the use of the word "looong". But more than stating the obvious, it puts a lot of perspective as to why people even bother arguing about this "war". All that emotional and intellectual investment doesn't seem worth it.
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Because at the end of the day it is the "war" that will keep it this way.
For all the people who have gone to one of the HD formats, there are two or three who are standing back refusing to get involved until there is one winner.
People do not want to have to buy two devices to watch their movies because they do not know which side will get what movie when it comes out.
The stale mate is the worst thing possible for EITHER format and for HD media as a whole.
 
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OokieSpookie

Banned
Bebpo said:
190k is huge. I find it disturbing that such a shitty movie basically became the highest selling HD disc, but it's good for the format growth so *shrug*
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I agree fully honestly.
I will say that if there is a way where you can set it to only play the scenes where Prime speaks and where Megatron talks to Star Scream I would love it.
I can not really say anything, I loved Pirates 3 and many hated it too :lol
 
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drohne

hyperbolically metafictive
are they doing a box set for all those kubrick movies? i thought they were, but i don't see it listed anywhere. i guess i have to buy them all separately :x
 
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Bebpo

Banned
drohne said:
are they doing a box set for all those kubrick movies? i thought they were, but i don't see it listed anywhere. i guess i have to buy them all separately :x
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Pretty sure the box was only for dvd.
 
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VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
I don't see how Transformers can do 190k and STILL not have HD DVD take the week. With what we know of the market size, I don't think that's possible. I've been wrong before, but that's a HUGE amount, and BY FAR the best that HD DVD has done. I don't expect it to stop selling, either.
 
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LM4sure

Banned
The Main Event said:
190K is huge number (for HD media) if accurate.

300 did 250K for both formats on its first week.
Casino Royale BD did around 59K (?) for its first week last april.
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Holy cow! 190k!!!!! Hd-dvd wins the week. No contest. I hated the movie, but damn, that is impressive.
 
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borghe

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DoubleTap said:
Geez, 8.3 Million vs. 190K. We have a looong way to go if HD will supplant SD.
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obviously you weren't following the scene closely 9+ years ago. This is exactly what DVD was like, press releases and all. I still remember Godzilla press releases talking about how it finally made DVD a legit video format.
 
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