-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
high-res direct feed mgs4 screens
- Thread starter Wario64
- Start date
WHOAguitarninja
Member
pixelbox said:
On a tv, a game can only hold a sustained framerate of 60, 30, 20, 15, 10, 5, 3, 2 or 1fps. MGS3 was 30.
Red Blaster
Member
Out of curiousity, what did MGS1 on the PSOne run at? My friend says 15 but I say 30.
tomb raider on ps1 ran at 45 frames per second to maintain her animations. jak 2 and 3 ran lower than 60 outside and 60 fps inside areas. mgs3, the part when snake has a bag over his head, seemed to run at 60 fps. as a matter of fact all the in game movies in mgs3 looked to run at 60, slowing down only to create the mood of a real motion picture. that being said please explain why a tv cant maintain 45 or even 50 fps from a console.
fortified_concept
Banned
Lakitu said:
what. the. fuck.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Lakitu said:
Too much crack is bad for them.
SolidSnakex
Member
Lakitu said:
That's nothing
DopeyFish said:
Doom_Bringer
Banned
SolidSnakex said:
ya there is a lot of hate on that forum.
Dopeyfish rocks. He manages to say its the same engine, while stating that everything that is fundamental to said engine is changed.
I'd tend to agree with him. I mean, besides the upgraded textures, models, shaders, animation, framerate, environmental effects, shadows, environmental detail, number of entities on screen- its pretty much the same shit. :lol :lol
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Slurpy said:
:lol
Lazy8s said:
and what happens if it isnt? when games slow down they are sure to dip between the multiples of the 60. so youre telling me that if its not a multiple of 60 you wont see the other frames? if so explain , if youve played it, why in jak2 and 3 seems slower in outside areas and faster indoors? btw the speed differences are not very noticable so it cant be 30 fps since its thats the next in the line of mutiples of 60
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
pixelbox said:
Don't, it's Lazy8s, anything regarding PS2 and it's games are taken with a grain of salt with him. Seriously. You're not going to get objection facts much at all.
If a rendering doesn't finish in time for a TV refresh, it'll either be displayed at a later refresh, when a mode called video-synch is enabled, and therefore change the framerate or will be drawn incomplete, when v-synch is disabled, and therefore tear the image on the screen. A game being rendered at 45 fps with v-synch on will miss every other TV update, so the display will alternate between 30 and 60 fps on each refresh. The average of that over time will come out to 45 fps, but it will look very framey with the constant fluctuations. That's why console developers either lock a game at 30 when they can't quite hold 60 or why they disable v-synch and trade off image quality for framerate.
so with v-synch turned off tearing happens but frames per second dont have to be a mutiple of 60. ok i got it. but thats what i was trying to say about mgs3. in that game, the frames tear. so it's obvious that it's not only 30 fps. now im not condoning the tech flaws but with all the people claiming that it's 30 fps is a lie. just wanted to clear it up and make sure i was right. btw jak 2 and 3 seems to alternate between 30 and 60 fps.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
pixelbox said:
You say that now, but I'ill let the v-synch thing fly, it's alright. Disable v-scynch can indeed get you a better framerate instead of slowdown. It's a tradeoff.
He's correct in this case, but he IS that bad. He will stop at nothing to push the Dreamcast/PowerVR technical agenda. He speaks with absolutely zero experience with any current piece of software or hardware that might be under discussion. He also picks and choses what he deems as "important" based on what the Dreamcast can do. He would damn unified lighting, complex shaders, and loads of post processing in favor of some random function the DC might be able to pull off. It's quite sickening...pixelbox said:
WHOAguitarninja
Member
Slurpy said:
I mean....they both use polygons right? So it's basically the same.