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[Tristam]

This is such bullshit. She got what she was asking for. He didn't kill her, or probably even physically harm her. He just owned her ass.

Also, if you're going to post a rumor, post a source. Additionally, I think you just demonstrated the true difference in class, were there one to exist. He did pretty much the least he could do and still own her face. She deserved it. I'm not saying we would have done that, or a rational person would have done that. But if you're going to insult a guy like 5 times, especially about English, and then you're going to throw beer, you're going to get what's coming to you.

The rumor was bandied about earlier in the thread; moreover, I brought it up for a point, not because I was concerned over its veracity.

Are you sure he didn't harm her? I've fallen and slammed the side of my head into concrete before and I ended up with a concussion. Are you sure it was the least he could do to "own" her?

 

[semiregular]

She is a jerk and she totally deserves to have a consequence. And I'm female. I know how fellow women abuse their woman status.

Not that I think the guy should do THAT. Because that seems to be quite dangerous... He should've just yelled back, may be give her a slap, and walk away.

 

[ggnoobIGN]

This thread kind of reminds me of the reactions that came out of the "design my logo for $30" thread. We saw lots of anger, contempt. People were insulted that someone would dare value their work @ $30. I'm worth more than that! How dare you! In this thread we see the same emotions. How dare someone throw beer in his face! She deserved it! Violence is justified! If anyone were to do that to me I'd kick his ass! Beer in the face is insulting and humiliating!

Where are you people getting this stuff?

....So beer in the face isn't insulting? I assume you are friends with Fat Joe and Lil' Wayne and enjoy making it rain. If so, congrats. Must be pretty cool.

 

[Google]

....So beer in the face isn't insulting?

But who really gives a fuck?

It's beer...

 

[TheKingsCrown]

The rumor was bandied about earlier in the thread; moreover, I brought it up for a point, not because I was concerned over its veracity.

Are you sure he didn't harm her? I've fallen and slammed the side of my head into concrete before and I ended up with a concussion. Are you sure it was the least he could do to "own" her?

Rationally I do not believe this to be the case.

Irrationally, which is the NATURE of what you are seeing in this video, she had it coming, deserved it, and got what she deserved. Alcohol use in these situations ! = rational. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Humans by nature, it could be said, are not rational creatures.

 

[Pakkidis]

Did she deserve what she got? Maybe, if you act like a jerk regardless of who started it you are taking a chance that someone will retaliate.

Did the guy do the right thing? No, just because she got what she deserved doesn't necessarily mean the guy did the right thing. He used violence to solve a problem which is never a good thing.

Reason does not always justify action!

 

[Tyrone Slothrop]

i'm guessing this is another moral-age thread... rolleyes

if somebody splashed their drink in my face i'd knock them the fuck out. as for that situation in particular, who knows who deserved what. we weren't there.

 

[Grug]

Why? The woman was just drunk. Who cares?


Let's imagine a different scenario:

Woman acts like an idiot, throws beer in face. Instead of being an idiot in return, the man APOLOGIZES, walks away, and neutralizes the situation. That would take a much stronger man.

"The thrill of the warrior facing odds greater than himself is entirely different to that experienced by the cowardly bully imposing upon the weak. The former is authentic, the latter a mere addiction more akin to that which the cannibal, torturer and drug addict experiences."

 

[Tristam]

Rationally I do not believe this to be the case.

Irrationally, which is the NATURE of what you are seeing in this video, she had it coming, deserved it, and got what she deserved. Alcohol use in these situations ! = rational. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Humans by nature, it could be said, are not rational creatures.

Sorry, but "irrational" justice is an oxymoron.

 

[Brian Fellows]

Funny as shit.

 

[UFRA]

I wanna see what happened after that.

You see all those guys stand up in the background, I bet he was about to get his ass kicked. Make a gif outta that.

 

[Keylime]

As I mentioned before, it's much harder in this day and age to extend chivalry to women when they are very much on equal footing with men.

Women have the same jobs as men.
Women play teh same sports as men.
Women are as smart as men.
Women can be stronger than men.
Men can be the "Stay At Home" parent in a household.
Men can cook and clean.

...there is no reason whatsoever to treat women any differently the men these days (aside from when they are pregnant).

The reason we still do is because of traditions that are long gone. Feminists that want equal rights have it, and with it they lost the right to be treated with any kind of added chivalry.

This isn't the case, of course, because men generally pursue women, and women generally choose men.

For the record I'm happily married and am not some kind of douchy loser who hates on women, but I do not treat my women friends any differently than I do my men friends. It just so happens I generally treat everyone with respect, so I just come off as courteous to everyone.

 

[ggnoobIGN]

I wanna see what happened after that.

You see all those guys stand up in the background, I bet he was about to get his ass kicked. Make a gif outta that.

Ha, they looked scared as fuck. I don't think anyone wanted any of that guy.

 

[Striker]

I read the news posting after this video was released, the guy who swept the girl got stabbed in the spine at a nightclub that very same evening and was paralyzed from the neck down... it was reported in the news here locally because our news program has a nightly "random news from a random place in the world" segment.

:|

I did laugh, I admit. Swept the leg!

 

[ggnoobIGN]

As I mentioned before, it's much harder in this day and age to extend chivalry to women when they are very much on equal footing with men.

Women have the same jobs as men.
Women play teh same sports as men.
Women are as smart as men.
Women can be stronger than men.
Men can be the "Stay At Home" parent in a household.
Men can cook and clean.

...there is no reason whatsoever to treat women any differently the men these days (aside from when they are pregnant).

The reason we still do is because of traditions that are long gone. Feminists that want equal rights have it, and with it they lost the right to be treated with any kind of added chivalry.

This isn't the case, of course, because men generally pursue women, and women generally choose men.

For the record I'm happily married and am not some kind of douchy loser who hates on women, but I do not treat my women friends any differently than I do my men friends. It just so happens I generally treat everyone with respect, so I just come off as courteous to everyone.

I like the fact that if you put a women in the guy's spot, and have her attack with the exact same force, this would be a total non-story.

 

[wonderkins]

Yeah. Volunteer at an ER and find out whether the aggression and machismo displayed in this thread is worth preventing a wounded ego. RSTEIN is right, learn to walk away.

The best. The best is when the ER doc has to go tell the loved ones, that sure it was one punch/kick/stab but, well, sorry.

Of course, it'll never happen to any of the Rambo types in this thread. They'll always assume they have the ability to knock someone the fuck out. 'Cause you know, belief is the same as reality. Yup, the Rambos are always stronger, faster, bigger than the other guy. 'Til you're the one knocked the fuck out.

Love it, though. Rather than it being a caution about violence, Gaf's intellectual lightweights pretend to argue for male/female equality and the perniciousness of so-called female rights.

 

[Cadaver Dog]

Elbow from the skkyyy.

 

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Yeah. Volunteer at an ER and find out whether the aggression and machismo displayed in this thread is worth preventing a wounded ego. RSTEIN is right, learn to walk away.

The best. The best is when the ER doc has to go tell the loved ones, that sure it was one punch/kick/stab but, well, sorry.

Of course, it'll never happen to any of the Rambo types in this thread. They'll always assume they have the ability to knock someone the fuck out. 'Cause you know, belief is the same as reality. Yup, the Rambos are always stronger, faster, bigger than the other guy. 'Til you're the one knocked the fuck out.

Love it, though. Rather than it being a caution about violence, Gaf's intellectual lightweights pretend to argue for male/female equality and the perniciousness of so-called female rights.

ultimately i think it's better to walk away and generally I commend people who do in those bar room brawl scenarios

but also there's the human element. some girl splashes a drink in my face, i'm not going to keep my cool, i'd react just as he did. sorry. maybe that makes me a bad person, i don't know. doubt it though.

 

[Tristam]

As I mentioned before, it's much harder in this day and age to extend chivalry to women when they are very much on equal footing with men.

Women have the same jobs as men.
Women play teh same sports as men.
Women are as smart as men.
Women can be stronger than men.
Men can be the "Stay At Home" parent in a household.
Men can cook and clean.

...there is no reason whatsoever to treat women any differently the men these days (aside from when they are pregnant).

The reason we still do is because of traditions that are long gone. Feminists that want equal rights have it, and with it they lost the right to be treated with any kind of added chivalry.

This isn't the case, of course, because men generally pursue women, and women generally choose men.

For the record I'm happily married and am not some kind of douchy loser who hates on women, but I do not treat my women friends any differently than I do my men friends. It just so happens I generally treat everyone with respect, so I just come off as courteous to everyone.

Two things that are problematic here. Women play the same sports as men, but outside of childhood, where the two sexes show less physical differences, they rarely play sports together. And yeah, women can be stronger than men, but the vast majority lack the size, muscle mass, and high level of testosterone that men naturally have.

 

[Kokaku]

The difference in degree of the severity of the two 'physical attacks'--as you are inclined to label tossing beer on someone--is enough to place the leg sweep in a different class.

Rumor has it that later the guy got knifed and paralyzed for life. I guess he deserved it. It's also a physical attack.

Never made claims anyone deserved anything here, just clearing up the flawed belief that throwing a beer is not a physical act.

 

[Serph]

Bitchslap Rogue? Hope she sucks him dry... er of his energy.

isn't that her brother? Well, I guess at least he wouldn't be able to lie to her about whether she was good or not :lol

 

[DryEyeRelief]

Because being a fan of a comic character is the same as defending real life male on female violence.

He's not being called out on because his points in the thread.

It's because he's being a douche for making fun of someone because of their gamertag.

He actually had good points until he resorted to a desperate need to gain some sort of high horse.

 

[Rocket Punch]

Suffering public embarasment is not the same as suffering pain inflicted wit physical violence.

Some posters here are seriouly delussional trying to justify reactions from either party based on a 5 second moving image. You don't know what happened before or after but judging events as presented the man got a drink on his face and shirt. The woman had to deal with physical pain resulting from a vicious tackle.

Both are not equal and nobody got 'what they deserved' because we don't know what prompted these actions. For those hiding behind the 'I'm a sensitive guy, not an ahole I'm married LOL' excuse show this thread to your gfs and wives for a more sensible opinion.

 

[UFRA]

Ha, they looked scared as fuck. I don't think anyone wanted any of that guy.

Yeah, after watching the video of the incident, I think the girl was definitely being a douche. However, he went too far with taking her down like that....

Still, my first reaction was laughter.

 

[Grug]

My summary.

1. I loathe people who can't manage to consume alcohol without acting like fuckwits.

2. Dude obviously said something to fire her up, and she threw a drink in his face. She shouldn't have done it, but I can't drum up any sympathy for him.

3. Leg sweep was an overreaction, but I struggle to feel any sympathy for her.

4. Dude (allegedly) got stabbed in the spine... that's fucked up.

5. Too much fucking moral grandstanding in this thread.

 

[Fantasmo]

Initial reaction, hilarious!!
Totally not expecting a sweep :lol

I don't think she deserved it, but some women DO.

For example, this one girl I used to chill with is, on the whole, a great person. Kind of a screw-up but caring, loving, thoughtful and sweet.

Give her a bunch of drinks though, and I never knew which side I was supposed to be taking. Some of the shit she got away with over the years... goddamn. Some of it was hilarious to be sure, especially later on, but my dear lord some of it was appalling and I hated being her FRIEND, nevermind the recipient of the foul behavior.

Half the time I'd take her side out of friendship, then verbally ream her in private. One time I actually got physical with her out of pure rage. One work night, at around 2am, after months of her committing inane acts, she calls me saying she had just gotten a DWI, then asked to have a place to stay, which I agreed to after much begging.

So I got my ass up, and went to pick her up because I knew she was stuck. The dumb ***** got into my car with an open bottle of vodka! I demanded she throw it out or get out. She gave me lip, "Shut the fuck up and drive", I grabbed the bottle, whipped it out my window, and pushed her out of my car. HARD. I called her a fucking idiot, told her to grow up, and ignored her from then on. There's no question or swaying of my mind on that one, she absolutely deserved it.

Hell, she needed stronger wakeup calls, MUCH earlier. Had she gotten them, she may have kept her license, gotten her teaching career going, and had the happy marriage she always wanted. Everytime I think of her or hear of her I get sad, because I know what she's capable of, but I'll be the first to say that being nice and understanding to her gets nowhere, she just commits worse acts with the "you're perfect just the way you are" comments that people give her.

Sad to say, last I heard she was still pulling similar shit.

Anyway, people need straightening out sometimes and it kinda throws me for a loop when I see so many white knights.

Again, all depends on the context. The video's not enough, I wasn't there so I can't really say either way with conviction.

 

[Kokaku]

http://i29.tinypic.com/2el6vdh.jpg

Much fucking better then mine, I hate you :lol

/SWEEPS

 

[Milk Lizard]

Yeah, after watching the video of the incident, I think the girl was definitely being a douche. However, he went too far with taking her down like that....

Still, my first reaction was laughter.

Too far ? He didnt do much to her at all. If he kicked her while she was down yes but i think i would have had the exact same reaction, she was a bitch and got what she deserved.

 

[Ultimo hombre]

video: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=99e_1247333433&c=1

I don't see anything wrong with what he did. Good on him, I say.

 

[RSTEIN]

:lol :lol :lol

To clarify: My "sorry" recommendation only makes sense if you watched the video (which makes it seem like he started it, or at least they were going at it before the violent climax).

 

[Tristam]

Never made claims anyone deserved anything here, just clearing up the flawed belief that throwing a beer is not a physical act.

You tell him his argument's premises are flawed and then equate the act of throwing beer on someone ("throwing something = physical attack") to a leg sweep ("low kicking = physical attack").

 

[Kokaku]

You tell him his argument's premises are flawed and then equate the act of throwing beer on someone ("throwing something = physical attack") to a leg sweep ("low kicking = physical attack").

I'm failing to see how me pointing out the laws of nature is me inserting my opinion.

 

[Keylime]

Two things that are problematic here. Women play the same sports as men, but outside of childhood, where the two sexes show less physical differences, they rarely play sports together. And yeah, women can be stronger than men, but the vast majority lack the size, muscle mass, and high level of testosterone that men naturally have.

Generally you are very correct, but average physical size is the only difference that really exists.

As far as how they are respected, their roles in society, etc etc, we're on equal footing...therefore there is no reason to treat women with some added chivalry (unless you are courting one) than you would over a man.

Just because women are generally weaker doesn't give them free reign to mess with men and not expect retaliation. Violent retaliation could be argued as unfair, as the women generally is at a disadvantage, however I would argue that the woman put herself in the situation in the first place.

Don't start it if you don't plan on finishing it.

It's why you don't see men getting in other men's faces like she was in the video, because any man doing that to another man would know that he's about to get into a fight. This woman (incorrectly) assumed that her gender would be the only shield she needed.

In this day and age, I'd say that shield shouldn't exist (not that it doesn't).

 

[AtomskEater]

The original gif was mostly horrible. Leg sweeps are funny, but that looked like it hurt.

Judging by the clip, he laid hands on her first (pushing/poking her in the face), so I'm surprised so many people are calling her the bitch when he made it physical in the first place. I agree that a woman shouldn't be allowed to physically injure anyone and get away with it, but I also think that if you must retaliate, don't go overboard. Just get another drink and toss one in her face, or dunk her in the pool. Don't resort to kicks, slaps, trips or any of that unless the situation really calls for it.

 

[vandalvideo]

I have absolutely no sympathy for a racist like her. That was way out of line. I'm glad she got falcon kicked.

 

[Tristam]

I'm failing to see how me pointing out the laws of nature is me inserting my opinion.

Because some people possess the mighty power of inference.

 

[Ryck]

Bottom line, what it comes down to.. if you fuck with people you run the risk of getting fucked up, apparently both of them learned that. Life is not ideal no matter how much you argue one way or another.

 

[PowersOfTen]

I'm failing to see how me pointing out the laws of nature is me inserting my opinion.

What planet do you live on where a glass of beer is not a physical object?

 

[RSTEIN]

It's because he's being a douche for making fun of someone because of their gamertag.

I only quoted his gamertag because I realized I was having a conversation about violence with someone who goes by the name "blitzkrieg killer." It just seemed kind of funny.

 

[Kokaku]

Because some people possess the mighty power of inference.

Pretty sure most people realise that's not a transitive statement.

What planet do you live on where a glass of beer is not a physical object?

:lol

You meant to quote the other guy I think

 

[PowersOfTen]

Maybe, but now YOU must answer the question!

 

[Tristam]

Pretty sure most people realise that's not a transitive statement.

But don't you think most people in this thread are placing the two acts on the same level? How many people are saying the "bitch" had "what was coming to her"?

 

[Kastro]

:lol

 

[eznark]

leg sweep = hilarious

 

[Ryck]

But don't you think most people in this thread are placing the two acts on the same level? How many people are saying the "bitch" had "what was coming to her"?

Regardless of how people feel that's pretty much how it goes.. Play with fire etc etc.

 

[Tristam]

Regardless of how people feel that's pretty much how it goes.. Play with fire etc etc.

When they say "had it coming to her," they're speaking less about what she should expect and more about what she deserves. If I decide to play a heavy contact sport like hockey or football, I can expect to get a concussion at some point but I don't necessarily deserve one.

 

[Kokaku]

But don't you think most people in this thread are placing the two acts on the same level? How many people are saying the "bitch" had "what was coming to her"?

I think moron a and moron b were wrong here, however its silly to equate throwing a beer to a sweep, its two very different actions, with an obvious variance in intensity.

However it's also subjective, to some people getting beer tossed on them may be worse then getting sweeped. There wouldn't be a debate if it wasn't.

EDIT: To answer your question, it does appear to me that there are people who think that the reaction=action, however as I said, its subjective, people place different values in different things.

What annoyed me was the flat out denial of throwing a beer as being a physical act, not the intensity of the act.

 

[Ryck]

When they say "had it coming to her," they're speaking less about what she should expect and more about what she deserves.

And?


This discussion is getting really inane...



It's simple cause and effect and also one of the main reasons I myself do not throw drinks in peoples faces. God knows sometimes I want to...

 

[kaizoku]

how the fuck do you guys come to the conclusion she deserved it or that she was a bitch? jesus christ that's absurd. you have nowhere near enough evidence to decide a damn thing in this gif. you may be right, but none of us actually know now do we.

in the video, its clear he is harassing her, she walks away and he follows talking shit. couldve ended there and then. she gets angry and reacts, and throwing your drink in a guys face is a fair reaction.

resorting to violence against a woman is not cool. did she deserve it? did it hurt? who gives a fuck, that is not the issue or the question. the question is, did the guy do the right thing?

and by the right thing, I mean does he come out of this altercation looking better or worse than when he started? Obviously he comes off worse. It was not cool, not manly, not macho, not bravado, not funny or impressive in any way. and he has drink all over his face, all her friends and bystanders calling him a bitch and a guy trying to beat him up. good call tough guy.

men are supposed to forgive the stupid shit women do. mood swings, telling lies, throwing drinks, crying for stupid reasons.

 

[UFRA]

Too far ? He didnt do much to her at all. If he kicked her while she was down yes but i think i would have had the exact same reaction, she was a bitch and got what she deserved.

I would like to think a bigger man would have just walked away...had a guy done that, sure, kick his ass or whatever you have to do...

but seriously, it's a chick and she threw her drink at him. Not like she hit him or something, his action wasn't really necessary...Taking physical action like that on a woman is pretty low for a guy to do in my opinion.