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HITMAN |OT| Blood Monthly
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Blitzrules240
Banned
I really wanna take down the general by
throwing him into the copy machine.
Revolutionary
Member
Yeah I just got booted and can't reconnect.
This is why the game is somewhat shitty. It's either bugs that make the game clunky as hell, or the whole lolonline stuff.
We're in June and this shit still happens...
Fluffhead14
Member
Really wish they didn't use the same 5 voice actors for every level.
PreFire
Member
There's the really recognizable one too. Fucking sounds the same in all his roles. Even within the same level.
Fluffhead14
Member
...and the "ROCCO!" lady from Sapienza. Smh
unknownhero
Member
I'm guessing that they had a low budget for voice work or that they blew their reserves on the cutscenes.
I don't mind though.
I don't mind though.
Intheflorsh
Banned
At least the next episode is set in the US.
tearsintherain
Member
After I blew up a thrown propane tank a street vendor next to me yelled "Jesus H Christ!"
In Marrakesh.
Completed about half the challenges in 3 run throughs so far, so glad they changed challenges to complete and save instead of having to complete the level, it woulda taken forever if it was still that way.
I'd recommend doing all the opportunities first, one by one, can get em all done in 2-3 completions and since there isn't any way to track which ones you have done and which ones you haven't, its imo best to get that out of the way first.
Fun level but yeah I'd agree that Paris and Sapienza were better, but it also just might be hitman fatigue at this point. Gonna take a week or two break I think before I finish off the challenges, and some of them seem to have that sad bug again where they get turned on/off randomly - at least for the Headmaster one, for me, so far.
Remembrance
Member
I finished my first run after 1 hour and 30 minutes. So strange how, after Sapienza, it feels like I've already seen every part of the map.
I think overall even though there's about as much to do per se in Sapienza as Marrakesh, Marrakesh feels more barren for the following reasons:
1. Far fewer distinct items. There's all this stuff in the market and consulate, but almost none of it matters for the mission. The objects you can pick up are exactly the same as in previous missions. The objects you can interact with also lack local color - mostly just generic machines and electrical devices again. Nothing unique like the compost machine and the acid boxes.
2. The vast majority of interactive stuff is food and drink to poison. There must be, what, fifty of these? And after the snails, dried bananas, and tea leaves they even just stop labeling these altogether.
3. Fewer unique NPCs. These have been the highlights of previous stages. Here I think there's only the
, the
, and the
? And as far as I can tell, only one of them even has any lines.
4. Smaller map, period. When I finally looked at the map I was surprised it all fit on the screen. And this level introduces the first roadblocks (literal roadblocks) that feel arbitrary and "video-game"-like.
5. Conventional level design. Villa Caruso was really a genius piece of design in that it was a distinctive space from every angle. The consulate and the school can't even be viewed from the sides or back - they're both very frontal-approach kind of buildings. And then, the
are almost sterile in their layout.
But there are a number of good things too.
1. Foreign atmosphere. There was definitely a labor of love in filling the level with exotic setpieces. The rooftops are some of the best parts of the level, in that they are all distinct spaces that feel lived-in. Don't forget to check out the graffiti and art on the walls.
2. The school is a very organic, unique area that feels different from any other level so far. When the
was introduced, I distinctly had flashbacks to MGS and its themes of brutality. There are even gunshots ringing out in the background, plus intriguing secrets like the
. It definitely serves a greater storytelling function than the consulate.
3. An increase in planning required. I hope Jintor is happy, because after three hours of searching I found only two rat poisons in the entire level to cover those fifty poisonable items (and not a single one in the consulate, when I actually needed one). Suddenly you have to plan ahead to know where to get the right item at the right time. Plus, body-hiding containers are now scarcer and in very particular places, and you can't just knock out a string of random people on the fly.
4. Dispensing with the more conventional obstacles from previous levels. Frisking is out. Sneaking around patrolling guards is basically pointless. No more locked doors everywhere like in Sapienza, and barely any cameras to speak of! It's definitely smart level design to not just pile these on until the final episode.
5. The different locations are actually tied to each other in interesting ways. You can get
from the school to
in the consulate. You can
from the cafe to
the school. And I haven't even begun to figure out how to
. Imagine if later levels let you set up something in one building and go to another one to trigger them and watch the fireworks.
6. More ridiculous background conversations for no reason whatsoever (check out the Oscar Wilde dialogue in the cafe).
So those are my impressions. There is some subtle progression in the level design that could really pay off down the line.
I think overall even though there's about as much to do per se in Sapienza as Marrakesh, Marrakesh feels more barren for the following reasons:
1. Far fewer distinct items. There's all this stuff in the market and consulate, but almost none of it matters for the mission. The objects you can pick up are exactly the same as in previous missions. The objects you can interact with also lack local color - mostly just generic machines and electrical devices again. Nothing unique like the compost machine and the acid boxes.
2. The vast majority of interactive stuff is food and drink to poison. There must be, what, fifty of these? And after the snails, dried bananas, and tea leaves they even just stop labeling these altogether.
3. Fewer unique NPCs. These have been the highlights of previous stages. Here I think there's only the
masseur
headmaster
snake charmer
4. Smaller map, period. When I finally looked at the map I was surprised it all fit on the screen. And this level introduces the first roadblocks (literal roadblocks) that feel arbitrary and "video-game"-like.
5. Conventional level design. Villa Caruso was really a genius piece of design in that it was a distinctive space from every angle. The consulate and the school can't even be viewed from the sides or back - they're both very frontal-approach kind of buildings. And then, the
underground passages
But there are a number of good things too.
1. Foreign atmosphere. There was definitely a labor of love in filling the level with exotic setpieces. The rooftops are some of the best parts of the level, in that they are all distinct spaces that feel lived-in. Don't forget to check out the graffiti and art on the walls.
2. The school is a very organic, unique area that feels different from any other level so far. When the
prisoner
general's private room
3. An increase in planning required. I hope Jintor is happy, because after three hours of searching I found only two rat poisons in the entire level to cover those fifty poisonable items (and not a single one in the consulate, when I actually needed one). Suddenly you have to plan ahead to know where to get the right item at the right time. Plus, body-hiding containers are now scarcer and in very particular places, and you can't just knock out a string of random people on the fly.
4. Dispensing with the more conventional obstacles from previous levels. Frisking is out. Sneaking around patrolling guards is basically pointless. No more locked doors everywhere like in Sapienza, and barely any cameras to speak of! It's definitely smart level design to not just pile these on until the final episode.
5. The different locations are actually tied to each other in interesting ways. You can get
a remote mine
place in the camera
get food
deliver to
open the two safes in the consulate and school
6. More ridiculous background conversations for no reason whatsoever (check out the Oscar Wilde dialogue in the cafe).
So those are my impressions. There is some subtle progression in the level design that could really pay off down the line.
Honestly, I really like the embassy. I've only seen two floors of it and didn't bother with the garage just yet because I didn't know a disguise that would let me down there without getting shot, but it's a nice, modern-feeling space that still has a lot of rooms to muck around in.
Pretty weird how you don't get frisked coming and going into it though.
Pretty weird how you don't get frisked coming and going into it though.
fiction226
Member
And then everyone will inexplicably have a French accent.
Liked the new map. Seems like you get two bases with an open area in between instead of one big base (Paris) and one medium base and an open area around is (sapienza). I can see the embassy target being the more challenging one to hide the body. I did massage of death and there was nowhere to put the body as far as I could tell.
Still want a lot more escalations for Sapienza and obviously some more for this. Paris has 12 right now and Sapienza still only 5 despite being a much bigger map. I jumped into this game a little after Sapienza came out so it was about the same minus 3 or 4 escalations. When did they add the bulk of the Paris escalations into the game assuming Paris started with barely any? 12 is a good number, I'd like that many in Sapienza and Marrakesh within the next month or two.
Still want a lot more escalations for Sapienza and obviously some more for this. Paris has 12 right now and Sapienza still only 5 despite being a much bigger map. I jumped into this game a little after Sapienza came out so it was about the same minus 3 or 4 escalations. When did they add the bulk of the Paris escalations into the game assuming Paris started with barely any? 12 is a good number, I'd like that many in Sapienza and Marrakesh within the next month or two.
Blitzrules240
Banned
Well the servers being down soured my late night run sesh, so I guess it will have to wait till tomorrow. Still a lot to discover about Marrakech.
where did you find a rat poison in the consulate? Trying to do the
Massoose
bigwinnerx
Member
How I did it over the course of an hour or so. Not quiet, lots of noise, lots of collateral damage.
I did have a crash on PC entering the school area which manifested twice. Once with sneaking in w/ a group and again when I just entered under cover. I went in using a different entrance and didn't have a crash.
First guy during a massage after being an intern, security, a soldier, and a janitor at some random points.
For the General, snuck in w/ the elite soldier outfit, walked around, nobody bothered me, target was walking up the stairs so I grabbed him, snapped his neck, then just ran for the exit.
Not exciting. But, fine. Anticlimactic, I guess. I ran past 20 guards on the way out after just essentially passing the guy in the hallway and taking him out there. Just wanted to get one run done.
For the General, snuck in w/ the elite soldier outfit, walked around, nobody bothered me, target was walking up the stairs so I grabbed him, snapped his neck, then just ran for the exit.
Not exciting. But, fine. Anticlimactic, I guess. I ran past 20 guards on the way out after just essentially passing the guy in the hallway and taking him out there. Just wanted to get one run done.
I did have a crash on PC entering the school area which manifested twice. Once with sneaking in w/ a group and again when I just entered under cover. I went in using a different entrance and didn't have a crash.
fiction226
Member
Don't forget you can bring in an emetic poison vial after unlocking it at mastery level 10.
lol i found some lethal poison... was a bit too powerful to get the masseuse to the bathroom
Remembrance
Member
You need to
poison the tea leaves bin that he passes by. Yes, tea leaves.
And, yes, I did that
as a waiter
Also, I finally
opened a safe
breaching charges
C4
found the combination
By the way, my runs so far:
First run:
Steal the keycard, soldier disguise, and school master key from various rooftops. Enter consulate as security. Distract the guard at the back stairs and knock out the other guard at the top of the stairs. Steal the car key. Distract the guard at the railing using the vacuum cleaner and push the banker over the side. Take the back stairs guard's disguise and get to the school through the tunnel. Use the intercom to get the general in place for the toilet drop. Escape through parking garage.
Second run:
Poison the print crew guy as mentioned above. Get into the school with the print crew, steal the army truck key, and then pose as the prisoner to kill the general. Get to the consulate through the tunnel. Kill the banker by electrifying the same railing I pushed him over last time. Escape with the army truck.
Interesting that there are only two exits by default. Also, I noticed that the timing on some of these opportunities are much more tense - you will blow your cover if you wait too long.
Also, the "no bodies found" bug seems to be still in full effect. Second run I knocked out a guy, he got found, and yet I lost no points or rank for it.
Ah, I see the NPC info stuff is just for the red targets. That's pretty nice in custom contracts. Also not having to worry about the accidentally killing someone bug is so good.
Not sure what outfit I'm missing in Sapienza. I finally grabbed the cyclist & the street performer and I thought they were the last two. Been a chef/chef assistant, bodyguard in black and wife beater, scientist, hazmat, priest, church helper guy, plumber, detective, flower guy, golf coach, house keeper, gardener, bohemian. Hmmm, wonder what I'm missing.
Well, to be fair the other way, turning on/off random non-important shit like radios shouldn't make people in public areas want to arrest and shoot you to death. I think it's kind of ridiculous how every action raises suspicion when some actions are totally harmless and no one would care.
Yeah, I'm a little disappointed by this. Already wished Sapienza had maybe one more exit just for the fun of it, but with only 2 exists in Marrakesh you always have to trek back to the town center which I guess adds challenge, but if you're not found out by then it's no big deal walking through the crowd, just a waste of time.
Not sure what outfit I'm missing in Sapienza. I finally grabbed the cyclist & the street performer and I thought they were the last two. Been a chef/chef assistant, bodyguard in black and wife beater, scientist, hazmat, priest, church helper guy, plumber, detective, flower guy, golf coach, house keeper, gardener, bohemian. Hmmm, wonder what I'm missing.
Well, to be fair the other way, turning on/off random non-important shit like radios shouldn't make people in public areas want to arrest and shoot you to death. I think it's kind of ridiculous how every action raises suspicion when some actions are totally harmless and no one would care.
Yeah, I'm a little disappointed by this. Already wished Sapienza had maybe one more exit just for the fun of it, but with only 2 exists in Marrakesh you always have to trek back to the town center which I guess adds challenge, but if you're not found out by then it's no big deal walking through the crowd, just a waste of time.
Remembrance
Member
Be both plumbers, and the stylist.
There are
two more exits with specific requirements.
Cool about the additional exits. That's good.
There's a stylist somewhere in Sapienza? The two plumbers are the one under the mansion and the by the church right?
There's a stylist somewhere in Sapienza? The two plumbers are the one under the mansion and the by the church right?
Oldest Snake
Member
Remembrance
Member
No, that's a
mansion guard disguise
The stylist is in, well, the
hair salon
Yes, those are the plumbers.
Oldest Snake
Member
You can get both in the Sanguine store. Mansion disguise in the changing rooms, stylist is in the corridor that leads to the bakery above it.
But yes, the actual Stylist NPC is in the hair salon.
But yes, the actual Stylist NPC is in the hair salon.
Remembrance
Member
Yep, I still keep missing this stuff. Clearly I should play more Sapienza contracts.
Like... Why would that even be there? (Other than flavor.)
Moff
Member
I think it's only in contracts mode after you tagged a target, at least that's where I saw it
Got the stylist in Sapienza and was still missing one. Guessed it was the Butler and it was. Got him but died doing it and still got the challenge haha. I'm guessing the easiest (only?) way to take out the mansion butler in that stage is to dress as the psychiatrist and be led to Slyvio's room with the butler and take him out there?
Actually found another way If you do the flower delivery, when the butler leads you to the grave there's a few blind spots to take him out.
Actually found another way
If you do the flower delivery, when the butler leads you to the grave there's a few blind spots to take him out.It's jarring that you're going to all these different places across the world and none of the NPCs have a regional accent.
endlessflood
Member
Even bad regional accents would be vastly preferable to American accents on non-American characters
One of the main talking points with the episodic release schedule was that they could now react to feedback prior to each release. Well there's your feedback IO, regional accents please!
GamerMax73
Member
Damn you guys! I'm noticing the American accents now, and a distinct lack of Arabs - Marrakesh must be very popular with US tourists
I'm enjoying this level far more than the last two. The crowed have added an extra element of challenge. Really got to think about how, where, who, what, and when to subdue for your disguises.
Then again this is the first I've gone straight into the main mission with most of the HUD features turned off. It's a smaller level than the last two, but I actually think that's a very good thing. My only complaint would be the same as before - only 1 story mission.
Right now I'd say Marrakesh > Paris > Sapienza. Though that opinion might change once I've experienced a few Marrakesh escalations.
No real attempts yet at the assassinations. Been playing for around 2 hours, but just exploring and discovering opportunities.
Found a great sniping position for the embassy - need a better sniper rifle thought. Was one with zoom available in Sapienza? If so I might need to go back and unlock it.
Getting into the ground floor of the embassy is pretty easy, as is getting in to the school. What I'm finding challenging so far is finding the right opportunities to silently get the disguises I need (or find an alternate opportunity). Though i did find a backdoor into the embassy, just not the key card to use it...
God knows how you'd do this one suite only.
I'm enjoying this level far more than the last two. The crowed have added an extra element of challenge. Really got to think about how, where, who, what, and when to subdue for your disguises.
Then again this is the first I've gone straight into the main mission with most of the HUD features turned off. It's a smaller level than the last two, but I actually think that's a very good thing. My only complaint would be the same as before - only 1 story mission.
Right now I'd say Marrakesh > Paris > Sapienza. Though that opinion might change once I've experienced a few Marrakesh escalations.
No real attempts yet at the assassinations. Been playing for around 2 hours, but just exploring and discovering opportunities.
Found a great sniping position for the embassy - need a better sniper rifle thought. Was one with zoom available in Sapienza? If so I might need to go back and unlock it.
Getting into the ground floor of the embassy is pretty easy, as is getting in to the school. What I'm finding challenging so far is finding the right opportunities to silently get the disguises I need (or find an alternate opportunity). Though i did find a backdoor into the embassy, just not the key card to use it...
God knows how you'd do this one suite only.
My ranking of the levels are the reverse order of yours but I have only finished Marrakesh once so I may enjoy it more after more playthroughs.
You can unlock a sniper rifle with a zoom in Sapienza but it has no silencer.
GamerMax73
Member
Mmm, one shot kill, not necessarily a problem. I'll think about it. I want to infiltrate the embassy again and have another look round first, see what the upstairs area looks like.
Is it just my memory, or is this the first episode where you do not complete a Challenge by fibre wiring both targets?
Also, add me to the disappointed lineup. I feel that this is very much like the Middle Eastern locations from Silent Assassin, in that there's a unique visual vibe, but that doesn't hide the fact the area is 'barren', at least outside of the two main target locations. I also feel this area is going to suffer greatly for Elusive Targets, for the previous areas complimented themselves with "side stories" that one can use to build up the area, especially The Forger. Here though, the whole location and its goings on are entirely inspired by the targets, leaving very little wiggle room. And I can already see the problem where following an ET will be an irritating task, be it the crowd or the fact this area largely seems designed for where the targets reside.
Also, add me to the disappointed lineup. I feel that this is very much like the Middle Eastern locations from Silent Assassin, in that there's a unique visual vibe, but that doesn't hide the fact the area is 'barren', at least outside of the two main target locations. I also feel this area is going to suffer greatly for Elusive Targets, for the previous areas complimented themselves with "side stories" that one can use to build up the area, especially The Forger. Here though, the whole location and its goings on are entirely inspired by the targets, leaving very little wiggle room. And I can already see the problem where following an ET will be an irritating task, be it the crowd or the fact this area largely seems designed for where the targets reside.
SlackAdjuster
Member
I wonder if they will ever release an elusive the same exact time as a new map. That would be kind of tense. I've felt fairly comfortable with the first 2 elusives only because at that point I already knew the map and everyone's movements like the back of my hand.
So far I'm not hating Marrakesh but I think I like Sapienza and Paris mush better, in that order.
So far I'm not hating Marrakesh but I think I like Sapienza and Paris mush better, in that order.
Oof. The disguises that work really kinda suck. In the embassy, the security guard disguise is so transparent as to be almost completely worthless. In the school, there's enough Elite Guards that can see through the elite guard set that your movement still feels really restricted... and I have no idea what the point of a bunch of the other ones are besides some one-off zones, like the shopkeep and the maintenance disguise.
I'm having another problem: I completed Into the Rabbit's hole or whatever is called opportunity four times, but it always shows as locked. I also reloaded the save five times and cleared the mission as last attempt, but I did four separate plays and that opportunity stays locked, despite the game told me I completed it (with locked I mean no description in the menu).
Now in the last attempt, even if I didn't kill anyone nor triggered an alarm, both targets stay immobile, one near two soldiers, the other in the school, waiting for dunno what.
Now in the last attempt, even if I didn't kill anyone nor triggered an alarm, both targets stay immobile, one near two soldiers, the other in the school, waiting for dunno what.
Moff
Member
all poison except rat poison is useless
and yes, there are only few, which I honestly welcome because past levels were so full of them and made it a bit too easy
plus: you can unlock sickness poison now and start with one
hmmm there were more in the past, but I don't recall as many targets/useful outfits that go around eating stuff outside of the main target in paris.