Shifty1897
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I don't know, to be honest. Some current gen games don't run great, but that's usually because of forced ray tracing on a chipset that struggles with ray tracing. A PS5 Pro isn't really going to fix that.
It's not "perceived", examples of why mid-gen upgrades would be a terrible practice have been already provided in this thread a number of times. Both by yours truly and other users as well. If you really wanna contest anything then you should at least have the courtesy of browsing through the discussion first.
Bro, I was literally being facetious about that last one, lol. I thought that tin-foil-hat gif would give it away.The arguments that have been provided aren’t very persuasive imo. It seems that the four primary arguments that you and the others have made are:
i) Base console games will receive less optimisation if a Pro exists and so games will run worse on base consoles.
ii) Developers will stop optimising games in general because they can just brute force them using the Pro’s available hardware.
iii) It will lead to an incremental update model like the mobile phone model where eventually new consoles will come out every year.
iv) It feeds into consumerism and rampant capitalism which has a detrimental effect on a society’s mental health, financial stability and the environment.
And how would you engage with opinions that are equally as selfish? So far anyone who was fully on board with the idea of a Pro console sounded like a living example of that "38 year old consoomer" meme and it's actually kinda funny. It's like all they care about is to scratch the itch of buying a new toy, and when I try to provide some possible reasons why Pro consoles are actually a terrible idea, all I get in response is "well, no one's forcing you to buy it."
Yeah, no kidding, thanks for letting me know. Any other brilliant suggestions? Like "don't stick a fork in a wall socket", maybe? (Not asking you specifically, ofc. I'm just yelling at clouds here.)
Bro, I was literally being facetious about that last one, lol. I thought that tin-foil-hat gif would give it away.
As for the first two, it's a bit more nuanced than that. Based on empirical evidence of PS4 games running more poorly and being unoptimised (Control, Crysis, Cyberpunk, Maneater, etc.) on base PS4 versus how they ran on Pro, it is reasonable to be concerned that the same problems would eventually start affecting PS5 games as well. Also, more versions of the same hardware forces developers to split their resources in order to accommodate both platforms. This may lead to new hardware being under-utilised and games being scaled back because devs would have to make them run on both versions. Look no further than the current situation with Xbox Series consoles if you think that's baloney.
And lastly, the third one, ultimately the public demand dictates what happens. So yeah, if people will keep clamouring for incremental updates similar to what's going on in the mobile market, then eventually console producers will home in on it and we'll end up having to buy a new fucking console every year. If that's not a grim prospect then I don't know what is.
Now, point to a game that was compromised on the base PS4 because of the PS4 pro. Just one. I’ll wait.
Says you. Going through each listed game and coming up with some arbitrary excuses as to why it's not enough of an evidence is just that - excuses.The empirical evidence you provided didn’t provide enough of a reason for a Pro not to be released.
You’re claiming those games didn’t perform well because of the pro version. That’s not empirical evidence. That’s just your assumption.
Pointed.
Says you. Going through each listed game and coming up with some arbitrary excuses as to why it's not enough of an evidence is just that - excuses.
Nobody “has to” buy anything. A revised console does not make the one you currently have stop working.They don’t understand that it’s not the hardware that’s the issue. PC has 4090 GPU’s and some games are still running like crap because publishers are shipping broken and unoptimized games.
A pro console feels like a cop out and it sets a bad precedent. Having to drop more money on a new “pro” console just to get the performance you were supposed to get with the base console is ridiculous.
But these same people will complain about Sony increasing prices without adding much value…. They will continue to increase prices and not increase the value because people will buy no matter what.
great, a hand full of nothing thenWhat makes you think you deserve special treatment? It's a public discussion. Keep up.
Nothing is obfuscated if previous responses are right there for everyone to see.
You literally asked me to provide evidence that the developer intentionally didn't prioritize optimizing the game. Yeah, sure bud. Brb, going to the Remedy offices to speak to my homie Sam Lake, we'll clear that right up for you. Want me to swing by Geoff Keighley's place and ask him for this year's TGA nominees while I'm at it?An “arbitrary excuse” would mean that I didn’t provide at least some plausible reasons for my arguments.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out how inferior hardware can become a bottleneck in such scenarios. Again, look no further than Series S and how much of a pain in the ass it is for current-day development.You’re claiming those games didn’t perform well because of the pro version. That’s not empirical evidence. That’s just your assumption.
Name one.Even before the pro version came into the picture, several games on PS4 have been released in a bad form. It’s not the PS4 pro’s fault.
It is a pain in the ass because the target specs is the series X and the PS5. Do you not understand that? That means the gameplay systems, map layout, texture sizes, Ram allocation and usage all have the PS5 in mind as the target specs. Now MS bring the a weaker hardware in the mix and it’s become a headache.It doesn't take a genius to figure out how inferior hardware can become a bottleneck in such scenarios. Again, look no further than Series S and how much of a pain in the ass it is for current-day development.
Really? You know there are loads. Assassin’s Creed Syndicate was one of them very early on which was released within the launch window.Name one.