Horizons gameplay is a glorified AAA version of the trapping, rodeoing, and toppling of any of the dozens of hunts in Monster Hunter. It's nothing new. You're caught up on looks but the gameplay is the same. just becaue something looks better doesn't mean it wasn't done before with the same effect.
Horizon Zero Down and Breath of The Wild coming the same week. Will Horizon suffers ?
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Majmun
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Sony/MS fans usually never take the "omg it's a total new reinvention!!" route that usually Nintendo fanatics take. Everything Nintendo makes or tackles is somehow new or revolutionary. Give me a break.
I've been trying to engage you in an actual discussion about this but at this point I have to conclude that you're not posting in good faith.
So no?
Lol
Kenzodielocke
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Both games are not out yet, but the defense force is there I see.
Fanboys of all kinds are bad. It's really childish.
Fanboys of all kinds are bad. It's really childish.
Apparently a scriptwriter that also worked on New Vegas is cooperating on this game so your description really doing it injustice.
SmokedMeat
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Some of these features sound like common sense details that every game should have.
Popsickles
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Im sure it will. Cant see Switch building that much momentum given it price.
Bruh show a gameplay that looks cooler than aloy vs thunderjaw. Any RPG.
Majmun
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What kind of discussion? Go play more open world games, I'd say.
Just Cause 3, for instance, has crazy physics and interactivity. Even the gliding looks cooler.
We're not talking about story though. Thats a wait and see. We're comparing gameplay depth shown up to now.
It's not so much detail or polish as it is an incredible number of different physics systems interacting. They spent an entire year of development simply creating these systems alone.
Saint of Killers
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Thunderjam needs to be in Horizon xD But it's actually Thunderjaw.
It's a cool looking T-Rex type thing.
Wishmaster92
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It's anything but shallow my friend. Just in the art style alone it's got 99% of games beat. The variety of the open world environments are equally as impressive.
I mean, cutting down trees isn't a game changing innovation. Developers leave tree physics alone because they understand that taking down massive robot dinosaurs is more exciting.
Creating a physics playground has a lot of tradeoffs as well. The fact that BOTW runs at 900p/30fps max in 2017 is kind of sad. Try playing Horizon in 4K and going back to BOTW and you'll see how ugly and muddied it is.
but why do sony/ms fans get so mad about it? Things like this are obviously debatable. To some it is reinventing to others it's not.
I still dare to say Zelda is gonna outsell horizon. Vastly.
I'm gonna play Horizon first anyway.
Of course they won't play other open world games.
Anything made by other company than nintendo is generic and shallow.
It's anything but shallow my friend. Just in the art style alone it's got 99% of games beat. The variety of the open world environments are equally as impressive.
I really hope the gameplay will be there. Because it looks INCREDIBLE.
MaKTaiL
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This part of the demo has been played multiple times just fine. You just failed in your argument.
Even then it's cutting the game short labelling it as a glorified Monster Hunter.
As the years go by, Sony/MS continue a battle on which platform's games look the best. Meanwhile, Nintendo fans continue to enjoy and have fun with their games, and when Nintendo has new ideas in mind to use with technology that's been industry standard for years, of course we get excited. They're introducing new mechanics to the IPs that we love so much.
I'm sorry that Sony/MS fans cannot even attain the level of excitement and hype that Nintendo fans do with their games, regardless of whether a new game is implementing already known mechanics, etc. I wouldn't know what to say to someone in that position, it kinda sucks.
Don't forget: Nintendo = reinvents + more depth
Doesn't matter what they do...
Yep. And it was always ridiculous.
Don't really think so, except I guess in the press given Zelda us the only game on switch to talk about at launch.
There aren't too many people who buy multiple consoles each generation, so I'd expect basically the same number of horizon sales now as I did before. Bad reviews esp pre launch would be more of a concern I think.
There aren't too many people who buy multiple consoles each generation, so I'd expect basically the same number of horizon sales now as I did before. Bad reviews esp pre launch would be more of a concern I think.
We are not talking about graphics or the beauty of the world. We are talking about gameplay depth. All that beautiful scenery means nothing if all you do is walk around it and not interact with it.It's anything but shallow my friend. Just in the art style alone it's got 99% of games beat. The variety of the open world environments are equally as impressive.
……forgetit
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It could effect it, I was going to get horizon day one, but I'm not now due to the Switch, Zelda combo. Same with my brother and 2 of my friends.
No, see, this kind of condescension does nothing to open dialogue or enlighten other posters.
I posted some examples of features that I think set BOTW apart. You believe that Just Cause 3 has these features already; providing examples would be a better way to make your point.
OrbitalBeard
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I'm certainly not going to have a problem jumping between the two games.
Well they do try to be the Apple of gaming, so that's expected.
tenderbrew
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Those Horizon screenshots look great, but Shadow Fall also looked great. I am still skeptical on if this developer can pull it off. Don't want to get NMS-burned.
The Salt Life
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Yeah that's just not true at all, people have been waiting for a new Zelda forever.
Exactly what i was going to type. What a weird thread.
No one knows whether Horizon will succeed, but GG is solely to be blamed if it underperforms.
The % of PS4 owners who will buy a switch at launch just for Zelda is really really tiny.
OrbitalBeard
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Yeah, the review threads are going to get pretty nasty.
Blackleg-sanji1
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So you're telling me a significant number of people (no some of you hardcore fans are not enough on this site) are going to put their ps4 in a shelf, forget about any games releasing in Feb,March because the Nintendo switch is coming with Zelda.
Lol
Cutting trees is more exciting than hack robodinos and ride on them.
You are insane
tenderbrew
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Yah - thread-wise I agree that I don't think Zelda will be the deciding factor if Horizon sinks. It will be reception and reviews. Though I totally am one of the people that is needing to decide between the two and choosing one over the other (for now).
So you're not worried at all that they have only shown you climbing the equivant of a tower, riding a mount, killing some large enemies in vertical slice manners and that's it and we are a month out? Part of my hostility towards Horizon is that I simply don't trust that'll it'll be more than a shallow experience much like an assassins creed game. I'd love for it to be a truly great game that is a must play by everyone, I'd surely love to give my PS4 Pro some action, but I'm not seeing it yet.
I was super excited by Horizon when it was first shown, but they aren't showing me enough to have blind faith in it, especially when we are only a month out.
Jim_Cacher
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Some examples of showing the physics in Breath of the Wild:
I've not said a bad word about Horizon in this thread. I own a PS4, even if it is in another state at the moment. I understand the appeal of the game; it's a graphics marvel, as the developer is known for.
However, the point of contention was that Zelda does nothing differently; I think that's objectively untrue.
This is exactly what I'm doing, haha.
MatrixMan.EXE
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For real. Personally, I'm super hyped for both games. March is gonna be wild.
Zelda looks really, really good, but it seems that, like with a lot of Nintendo's big games as of late, you have a subset of Nintendo fans that overplay the uniqueness and innovation present in the title. Zelda is doing nothing new in the open world space. Just Cause is just one example of a physics-based open world sandbox and has been doing so for years. The only reason you think it's new is because it's the first time Zelda is doing it.
Jawbreaker
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It's going to be the Bloodborne versus Witcher 3 of 2017. Only one will get robbed!
I mean, Zelda has sneaking up to and pouncing on wild horses and having to break their wildness through several minutes of gameplay where you turn a wild animal into a trusted mount. That's more in depth than what they showed in Horizon with hacking a robotic animal to trust you and let you ride it.
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