Horizon Zero Down and Breath of The Wild coming the same week. Will Horizon suffers ?

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So you're not worried at all that they have only shown you climbing the equivant of a tower, riding a mount, killing some large enemies in vertical slice manners and that's it and we are a month out? Part of my hostility towards Horizon is that I simply don't trust that'll it'll be more than a shallow experience much like an assassins creed game. I'd love for it to be a truly great game that is a must play by everyone, I'd surely love to give my PS4 Pro some action, but I'm not seeing it yet.

I was super excited by Horizon when it was first shown, but they aren't showing me enough to have blind faith in it, especially when we are only a month out.
That's not all they have shown, haven't you seen the last trailer?
 
Wow this is the like 10th comparison thread between the two games. I really don't see the similarity and understand the comparison between the two. Both target different audiences and play differently. And it's already turned into a shit flinging contest
 
If I had to guess

Sales - Horizon initially, Zelda long term
Graphics - Horizon
Story - Zelda
Combat - Horizon
Quest - Zelda
Random things to do- Zelda
Metacritic - Zelda

Potential Problems of Each:
Horizon: There doesnt seem to be enough fun things to do. The combat looks great, but looks like the game could get boring really fast. Screams collectathon

Zelda: World looks pretty empty, so lots of travelling. There are lots of landmarks, so hopefully they are filled with unique things to do and dungeons and not just traveling back and forth.

Horizon will be interesting. I think if they can make something as compelling as mass effect then it will be the next great sony franchise. They should probably throw some relationships in there to get the fan hype up.
 
I have the collector's editions preordered for both. And taking off 3 days from work to play. The real question is which game will steal my time away from the other? Both seem to be must own games to me.
 
Switch launch going to hurt it more than the Zelda launch. If you are spending $300 for Switch, $70 for pro controller, $60 for game and spending little extra on eshop. I doubt most people would go out and buy another game that month. They will also fight for coverage and people will most likely be more interested in Nintendo than a new IP.
 
I mean, cutting down trees isn't a game changing innovation. Developers leave tree physics alone because they understand that taking down massive robot dinosaurs is more exciting.

Creating a physics playground has a lot of tradeoffs as well. The fact that BOTW runs at 900p/30fps max in 2017 is kind of sad. Try playing Horizon in 4K and going back to BOTW and you'll see how ugly and muddied it is.

This is way more pathetic than people saying BotW is reinventing open world games.

People were talking about gameplay elements and you counter it with "but Horizon can be played in 4K*"


* non native 4K, checkerboard upscaling.
 
I mean, Zelda has sneaking up to and pouncing on wild horses and having to break their wildness through several minutes of gameplay where you turn a wild animal into a trusted mount. That's more in depth than what they showed in Horizon with hacking a robotic animal to trust you and let you ride it.
Sounds also more annoying tbh.
 
That's not all they have shown, haven't you seen the last trailer?
The PSX trailer? That was the last one I saw and that was all cutscenes hudless gameplay. What are want are videos about 20-30 minutes in length where a journalist or someone is playing it and making their choices what to do and where to go. I haven't seen any of those, but I haven't looked in a while.
 
It's going to be the Bloodborne versus Witcher 3 of 2017. Only one will get robbed!

As good as Bloodborne is, it wishes it was the dirt in the nails of Witcher 3, so no, your comparison is laughable at best.

Also, people have played mostly in the great plateau which is Gigantic and less than 1% of the whole map and are having the time of their lives, just imagine going wherever the fuck you want to explore the ginormous Map in Zelda.
 
I mean, Zelda has sneaking up to and pouncing on wild horses and having to break their wildness through several minutes of gameplay where you turn a wild animal into a trusted mount. That's more in depth than what they showed in Horizon with hacking a robotic animal to trust you and let you ride it.
Do you mean like in read dead?

Yeah because u just hack it. No difficult whatsoever. U can die if the mount fight back and if you don't have the right materials
That u have to crafter for haunting other dangerous robos.
And yet jumping on the top of a horse has more depth. Lol
 
Both of these games might as well shared the review thread. A sight to behold.


Anyway. No they won't suffer. The only people that will "suffer" are those that want to play both right off the bat. They both look like long games.
 
We are not talking about graphics or the beauty of the world. We are talking about gameplay depth. All that beautiful scenery means nothing if all you do is walk around it and not interact with it.

Pretty sure you will be able to scale environments, set up waypoints, and buy armor and equipment from merchants just like zelda :)

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Only because Nintendo fans are in the mix this time.

FTFY. They're the same bunch that think any open world game with long sprawling fields and giant rock formations is inspired by Xenoblade Chronicles.

The PSX trailer? That was the last one I saw and that was all cutscenes hudless gameplay. What are want are videos about 20-30 minutes in length where a journalist or someone is playing it and making their choices what to do and where to go. I haven't seen any of those, but I haven't looked in a while.

Well I mean, if you do bother to look there are plenty of videos just like that on YouTube. I swear people just choose to be willfully ignorant of the plethora of Horizon media there is online just suit a narrative. Not talking about you specifically, but we've had enough threads and comments on GAF where people stipulate that Sony is hiding the game from public view, when we've actually seen tonnes of it. There was one thread where someone tried to argue that EA had shown more of Mass Effect Andromeda and Sony had of Horizon. I mean, c'mon now.
 
So you're telling me a significant number of people (no some of you hardcore fans are not enough on this site) are going to put their ps4 in a shelf, forget about any games releasing in Feb,March because the Nintendo switch is coming with Zelda.
Err I sold my ps4 so I can get a Switch because Sony has nothing that interests me until Spider-Man comes out.

Horizon is made by Guerilla Games, a company that makes pretty games that I end up buying and hating. Because The controls are usually really bad. (killzone titles)

No I'm saying a significant number of people aren't as hyped for Horizon as you think they are and the Nintendo Switch is about to be on fire like the original Wii.

Both games will sell well, Horizon will probably sell a million in 10 days, and Nintendo will sell a million of Zelda, the attach rate will just look better on Nintendo because there will not be 48 million people ignoring their game.
 
Why do people keep saying this about "Nintendo fans"?! Are Sony/MS fans/...fans better or something?
No, they just have less to be defensive about right this moment.

Xbone online-DRM, parity clause
Sony Vita

They all do it, right now it's just especially egregious because Nintendo isn't making great moves in general.
(There are still pockets that Sony and MS are making bad moves on, it's just not on the same tier currently.)
 
As good as Bloodborne is, it wishes it was the dirt in the nails of Witcher 3, so no, your comparison is laughable at best.

Also, people have played mostly in the great plateau which is Gigantic and less than 1% of the whole map and are having the time of their lives, just imagine going wherever the fuck you want to explore the ginormous Map in Zelda.

The Witcher 3 was a great second best game of 2015, and I will always cherish it for playing second fiddle to Bloodborne.
 
It will do fine. Different consoles and different games.

I didn't realize two of this years potentially biggest GOTY contenders come out within two days of each other though. That's kinda crazy,
 
I mean, Zelda has sneaking up to and pouncing on wild horses and having to break their wildness through several minutes of gameplay where you turn a wild animal into a trusted mount. That's more in depth than what they showed in Horizon with hacking a robotic animal to trust you and let you ride it.

Do you have a video of that?

Because that sounds like the antithesis of fun and that it would be a terrible design choice in a game centered on combat.
 
Zelda looks really, really good, but it seems that, like with a lot of Nintendo's big games as of late, you have a subset of Nintendo fans that overplay the uniqueness and innovation present in the title. Zelda is doing nothing new in the open world space. Just Cause is just one example of a physics-based open world sandbox and has been doing so for years. The only reason you think it's new is because it's the first time Zelda is doing it.

But you can't cut any trees in Just Cause 3, you can only blow up bridges and other buildings. But that's not really reinventive!
 
We are not talking about graphics or the beauty of the world. We are talking about gameplay depth. All that beautiful scenery means nothing if all you do is walk around it and not interact with it.

And the world is not empty and barren with nobody other than 5 spawning monsters ? Thats all I have seen thus far.

Zelda looked empty, and Horizon I will reserve judgement on how populated the world is. Open world games are often too empty and boring for me.
 
The PSX trailer? That was the last one I saw and that was all cutscenes hudless gameplay. What are want are videos about 20-30 minutes in length where a journalist or someone is playing it and making their choices what to do and where to go. I haven't seen any of those, but I haven't looked in a while.
These cutscenes tell what the game aims to do storywise which is far more than just a Monster Hunter game.

I don't think Zelda will pose much of a 'threat' in competition because of user base but likely more the fierce competition on PS4.
 
Do you mean like in read dead?

Yeah because u just hack it. No difficult whatsoever. U can die if the mount fight back and if you don't have the right materials
That u have to crafter for haunting other dangerous robos.
And yet jumping on the top of a horse has more depth. Lol
You can die mounting and taming the horses in BotW as well. And BotW also has a full survival angle much like Horizon involving armor, loadouts, and pre fight buffing via food crafting in order to survive encounters.
 
As the years go by, Sony/MS continue a battle on which platform's games look the best. Meanwhile, Nintendo fans continue to enjoy and have fun with their games, and when Nintendo has new ideas in mind to use with technology that's been industry standard for years, of course we get excited. They're introducing new mechanics to the IPs that we love so much.

I'm sorry that Sony/MS fans cannot even attain the level of excitement and hype that Nintendo fans do with their games, regardless of whether a new game is implementing already known mechanics, etc. I wouldn't know what to say to someone in that position, it kinda sucks.

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One is Playstation only and one is Nintendo only. Horizon won't sell as well as Zelda I am sure but its a new game whereas Zelda is the umpteenth in the series so people buy what they know. Horizon will do well I think - for a Sony new IP that is.
 
Yes, because I have a sneaking suspicion that both games have audiences that hold overlapping interests, i.e. an interest in video games.
 
The PSX trailer? That was the last one I saw and that was all cutscenes hudless gameplay. What are want are videos about 20-30 minutes in length where a journalist or someone is playing it and making their choices what to do and where to go. I haven't seen any of those, but I haven't looked in a while.
There was a story trailer that was released last week for Horizon. There was even a thread on GAF about it. Here's a link:

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1332740
 
Do you have a video of that?

Because that sounds like the antithesis of fun and that it would be a terrible design choice in a game centered on combat.
Ill look for it, but I can tell you it was during the treehouse stream last Friday when they had Miyamoto and Aoununa playing BotW
 
Pretty sure you will be able to scale environments, set up waypoints, and buy armor and equipment from merchants just like zelda :)

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But its empty, there is no one there. Oh look, 5 goblins have spawned in and are standing around, yikes, run for your lives.

Hope Mass Effect is not so empty and barren, would prefer dense hub worlds with lots to find than driving around an empty moon for more iron (fingers crossed). Large open nobody there worlds needs to die already/
 
Fuck me, those are the same week? Hadn't realized that. Well then, yeah, for me Horizon will have to wait. Zelda will need all my attention.
 
If they would release on the same console I could see a problem. But in this case no PS4 owener will say "I'll go out and buy a Switch and Zelda instead Horizon."

I'm doing exactly that and know 4 others who are too.

That said Horizon has more competition that that. March is packed and the game hasn't exactly set the world on fire as far as hype goes.
 
I mean, Zelda has sneaking up to and pouncing on wild horses and having to break their wildness through several minutes of gameplay where you turn a wild animal into a trusted mount. That's more in depth than what they showed in Horizon with hacking a robotic animal to trust you and let you ride it.

How much different is it really? I don't know much about either game, but knowing how videogames work, both titles will have some threshold you have to fulfill for the animals in both games to automatically turn tame.
I feel like there's some arguing over features that will be set pieces designed by the developers for you to overcome. They will be "gamey" as opposed to organic. You need to cross this section? Here's a well placed tree. Enemy encampment? Oh look, there's a massive boulder right there with a "push me" sign.

Both games are going to bring the fun. But some of you guys are sounding like Peter Molyneux describing these scenarios like they'll be so realistic in nature.
 
He is right about xbox tho where are the singleplayer first party games? Sony is doing fine at that front very fine.
Idk, I think people that own a Xbox one, own it to play multiplayer games with their friends, it seems to be the direction Microsoft is taking the division. If they want single player games they can get a Switch or a PS4
 
Err I sold my ps4 so I can get a Switch because Sony has nothing that interests me until Spider-Man comes out.

Horizon is made by Guerilla Games, a company that makes pretty games that I end up buying and hating. Because The controls are usually really bad. (killzone titles)

No I'm saying a significant number of people aren't as hyped for Horizon as you think they are and the Nintendo Switch is about to be on fire like the original Wii.

Both games will sell well, Horizon will probably sell a million in 10 days, and Nintendo will sell a million of Zelda, the attach rate will just look better on Nintendo because there will not be 48 million people ignoring their game.
Alright y'all win fight it out I'm out
 
55+ million PS4's out there, so there is a very good chance it will do well. It's a big AAA game, Sony are pushing it as the next big thing for PlayStation and people's reactions have been very positive so far, so its looking good.

Switch and Zelda might steal a few sales, although some people will buy both but providing Horizon doesn't disappoint, it should do well.

My dilemma is how to juggle both games, as they are two of my most anticipated games for this year.
 
I mean, cutting down trees isn't a game changing innovation. Developers leave tree physics alone because they understand that taking down massive robot dinosaurs is more exciting.

Creating a physics playground has a lot of tradeoffs as well. The fact that BOTW runs at 900p/30fps max in 2017 is kind of sad. Try playing Horizon in 4K and going back to BOTW and you'll see how ugly and muddied it is.
What in the fuck???

Something seriously wrong with you son.
 
Hacking machines in Horizon has different benefits.

Some will will become you ally in battle,some will be mounts and the Tallneck reveals locations..
 
How much different is it really? I don't know much about either game, but knowing how videogames work, both titles will have some threshold you have to fulfill for the animals in both games to automatically turn tame.
I feel like there's some arguing over features that will be set pieces designed by the developers for you to overcome. They will be "gamey" as opposed to organic. You need to cross this section? Here's a well placed tree. Enemy encampment? Oh look, there's a massive boulder right there with a "push me" sign.

Both games are going to bring the fun. But some of you guys are sounding like Peter Molyneux describing these scenarios like they'll be so realistic in nature.

I mentioned this in another post but to me it comes down to this; I need to see extended gameplay sessions of Horizon, unguided ones, to form a true opinion on its gameplay and it worries me that Sony has not let that happen yet. As it stands now, I have more faith in Zeldas open world and gameplay because Nintendo has already lifted that curtain.
 
If anything, HZD might benefit from Nintendo's perennial supply constraints. People mistakenly go to the store for something out of stock and pick something else up instead since "well, I'm here already."
 
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