House Republicans/Ryan Finally Release ACA Repeal (lol) and Replace (lol) Bill

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greepoman said:
Read an article where congressman Mo Brooks was disappointed in the bill but thought the president was malleable about it because "he told me he doesn't care what passes he just wanted to pass something.".

Not that this is a surprise but for his supporters how can you possibly feel comfortable with the president not caring about such an important thing.
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Obama just "wanting to pass something" is how we got the half assed ACA that was great if you run an insurance company, great if you have a fucked pre-existing condition or are poor, but a downgrade for everyone else.

GOP is about to rip off the moldy tourniquet off the blown off leg of American Healthcare and replace it with one that has feces and febreeze smeared all over it.
 
IggyChooChoo said:
Soros can literally robocall millions of fogeys across America at a moment's notice, get them riled up over the consequences of this bill, say "press 1 if you'd like to be connected to your congressman/senator's office," and connect them right away. They are a machine to be feared.
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ftfy

That George Soros is pretty good at protesting.
 
Sectorseven said:
How does this affect AARP, don't retired people just use Medicare?
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Many old people still rely on Medicaid. For instance, the only reason my Grandmother was able to afford to live in a nursing home was because she was in a Medicaid bed. Block grants would eventually end up destroying this.
 
IggyChooChoo said:
AARP starts hitting people up at 50 at least, and possibly even earlier.

Edit: I can't believe I was beaten on an AARP post on a video game message board. We truly live in strange days.
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well reading gaf threads in fall 2012 in parallel with a college public policy class was when i first learned to actually follow current events. Now that I spend half the day mad as hell over politics, posting here more on the subject just kind of happens :P
 
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And @RepKevinBrady just ruled his own amendment from 2009 was not in order today, and blocked a vote on it.
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The party of do as we say, not as we do.
 
gaugebozo said:
Many old people still rely on Medicaid. For instance, the only reason my Grandmother was able to afford to live in a nursing home was because she was in a Medicaid bed. Block grants would eventually end up destroying this.
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Indeed. Medicare has a rough 20% copay, but for low income seniors, Medicaid can cover that 20% gap to full or near full coverage. Including nursing home costs.
 
JohnsonUT said:
You cannot use medicare until 65 (I believe). You can join AARP at age 50. This bill hits 55-64 hard.

Edit: I took way too long to read this page of the thread. Beaten and shamed.
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If you've been on disability for 2 years you qualify for Medicare benefits regardless of your age.
 
AndyD said:
Indeed. Medicare has a rough 20% copay, but for low income seniors, Medicaid can cover that 20% gap to full or near full coverage. Including nursing home costs.
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Yep, a lot of states run what are called dual eligibility programs to better manage this cost sharing between the two programs.
 
r/The_Deluded must be having a shit fit over this, no? I mean, how are they reconciling their worship of Trump with their unquestioning obedience to Breitbart and hatred of Paul Ryan?
 
The Greek Freak said:
Obama just "wanting to pass something" is how we got the half assed ACA that was great if you run an insurance company, great if you have a fucked pre-existing condition or are poor, but a downgrade for everyone else.
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I just wanted to grab this paragraph because it so neatly encapsulates the difficulties of healthcare policy.

This is totally accurate. The ACA is only good for you if you are poor or sick. That's...what healthcare policy is for! Poor and sick people are the people who don't have enough healthcare and need the government to provide it for them! There's literally no way for any healthcare plan to not benefit those people disproportionately at the cost of those who don't need much healthcare, unless the goal of the plan is to let people die.

If we had passed single-payer instead, it would have had a lot of different details, but guess what? In general it would still have represented a big improvement for the poor and sick, and a downgrade for everybody else. Because we'd all be paying for their healthcare just like we do under the ACA, and those costs would be represented either in quality of care or in cost for service. (Unless single-payer produced a huge jump in efficiency for American healthcare, which is possible, but not actually proven. We underperform multiplayer healthcare countries too!)

That's also why you see such staggering figures in the AARP letter -- the ACA is fundamentally a huge wealth transfer program from richer and younger healthy people to poorer and older sick people, because those are the people who consume lots of healthcare. Anything the GOP did to undermine it was inevitably going to screw old people. They're the ones who got the benefits.

The reality of healthcare is not that complicated. Everybody needs healthcare eventually but most people don't need it right now, so we should all chip in to make sure it's always available when we need it. The rest is commentary. It just happens to be a topic people want to believe is easier than it is.
 
rjinaz said:
Basically I'd say the amendment is pretty reasonable. Apparently the same Rep thought it was reasonable when he proposed it to the ACA in 2009 that he is now vetoing.

As for it being not in order, I don't know, he's been saying that about all the amendments so far.
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Does anyone know What happened when Brady proposed it? Was it passed? It's ironic and hypocritical either way, but if the dems let it pass and he killed it, them wow...
 
rjinaz said:
Basically I'd say the amendment is pretty reasonable. Apparently the same Rep thought it was reasonable when he proposed it to the ACA in 2009 that he is now vetoing.

As for it being not in order, I don't know, he's been saying that about all the amendments so far.
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Nobody can do anything in the House unless they're recognized by the Speaker and offering a motion pursuant to the rules. I assume if they're saying the amendments are not in order, it's because the Rules Committee adopted a rule that prevents amendments from being offered right now. This is actually the normal way that bills pass in the House -- the Rules Committee adopts a specific rule that forces a vote on a specific bill, then the House votes on the rule, then the bill (or sometimes the bill is "deemed passed' so there's no vote on the bill at all).

I forget the specific reason for this. There is one! Mainly it maintains a huge amount of power in the Rules Committee -- which is controlled by the majority party but contains many Representatives -- as opposed to being vested in the Speaker, where it used to be, and created centralization problems.
 
pigeon said:
Nobody can do anything in the House unless they're recognized by the Speaker and offering a motion pursuant to the rules. I assume if they're saying the amendments are not in order, it's because the Rules Committee adopted a rule that prevents amendments from being offered right now. This is actually the normal way that bills pass in the House -- the Rules Committee adopts a specific rule that forces a vote on a specific bill, then the House votes on the rule, then the bill (or sometimes the bill is "deemed passed' so there's no vote on the bill at all).

I forget the specific reason for this. There is one! Mainly it maintains a huge amount of power in the Rules Committee -- which is controlled by the majority party but contains many Representatives -- as opposed to being vested in the Speaker, where it used to be, and created centralization problems.
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Everything in this post is what Paul Ryan promised to end when he became speaker so that the Freedom Caucus would support him
 
IggyChooChoo said:
AARP starts hitting people up at 50 at least, and possibly even earlier.

Edit: I can't believe I was beaten on an AARP post on a video game message board. We truly live in strange days.
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That geriatric gamer set out here son

Edit: sonny-boy / lil-darlin / whipersnapper
 
CopperPuppy said:
r/The_Deluded must be having a shit fit over this, no? I mean, how are they reconciling their worship of Trump with their unquestioning obedience to Breitbart and hatred of Paul Ryan?
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This is what r/The_Donald looks like now:

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It's over. It's just 4chan now. If there was any actual hope or substance there it's so, so long gone.
 
Extollere said:
Why the fuck do you get more, the more money you make? Is this their way of minimizing subsidies? In the hopes that those who are better off are already insured through their employer, or don't need the credit?

This plan really will fuck over a lot of people.
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You don't get more the more you make, you just don't get less. The ACA gives a lot more money to people who make less money. The GOP flattened the credit out, so everybody gets the same amount up to $75,000. The effect is to take a bunch of money away from poor people and give it to richer people.

Keep this picture for the next time you hear somebody talk about how a flat tax would be a good idea, because it's exactly the same principle.
 
Impressive how the culture of partisan politics cultivated such a dumb, selfhurting voterbase.

It's really impressive if you can watch it from the other side of the Atlantic.
 
Extollere said:
Why the fuck do you get more, the more money you make? Is this their way of minimizing subsidies? In the hopes that those who are better off are already insured through their employer, or don't need the credit?

This plan really will fuck over a lot of people.
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that's the magnitude of change from the current details of the ACA
 
Posted yet? He is a huge Trump supporter. Sound more and more like this is dead on arrival this new health care plan.

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House health-care bill can't pass Senate w/o major changes. To my friends in House: pause, start over. Get it right, don't get it fast.
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gaugebozo said:
Many old people still rely on Medicaid. For instance, the only reason my Grandmother was able to afford to live in a nursing home was because she was in a Medicaid bed. Block grants would eventually end up destroying this.
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Same here, but not a nursing home, just an aid that comes in once or twice a day to help my Grandma care for my Grandpa.
 
The only good thing to come out of this is leftist Obamacare haters realizing that it was actually the largest transfer of wealth from rich to poor in decades.
 
RPGCrazied said:
Posted yet? He is a huge Trump supporter. Sound more and more like this is dead on arrival this new health care plan.
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Bout time these clowns stopped to think how fucked they'd be if they rushed some sloppy shit out the door.

Would rather piss of Trump and Ryan than my constituents.
 
RPGCrazied said:
Posted yet? He is a huge Trump supporter. Sound more and more like this is dead on arrival this new health care plan.
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Well so much for their plan of "the only way we can repeal is if we push something through fast. Trump must be furious that he won't be able to personally kill Obamacare.
 
ahoyhoy said:
Bout time these clowns stopped to think how fucked they'd be if they rushed some sloppy shit out the door.

Would rather piss of Trump and Ryan than my constituents.
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Arkansas took advantage of the PPACA, unlike most of the other southern states. They have a lot to lose if this bill passes so it's rational that Cotton opposes it. That's a word you don't often hear when it comes to the GOP, but when credit is due I'll give it.
 
LucidMomentum said:
That fucking title would be cute if it was from a four year old.

Coming from Ryan it's disheartening. Calling it the greatest bill when it's just a crappy shell of ACA is disgusting.
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That's another bill (one Sessions promoted earlier), not the Ryan/Trump one.
 
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2017/03/09/ads-push-conservatives-to-get-on-board-with-gop-health-plan/

A GOP outside group closely aligned with Speaker Paul Ryan (R., Wis.) is set to begin airing ads targeted at 30 members of the Freedom Caucus, urging their constituents to call them to vote in favor of Republican leadership’s bill to replace the Affordable Care Act.

The ads, paid for by the American Action Network, a nonprofit not required to disclose its donors, mark the first time this year that a major outside group is spending money to keep members of the Republican Party in line. The group is spending $500,000 to air the ads for two weeks, bringing its total spending on the GOP health-care plan to over $8 million since January.
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