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Did BRUCE not use somekind of electric-shock thing (seen in the movie "Dragon" his life's story) ??
I'm 5-11 140
wish I could even gain some weight
I'm 5-11 140
wish I could even gain some weight
How can I get 'cut up' like Bruce Lee quickly?
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Dont know if its been said ,but Diet! You have to consume more then you eat,either by doing Sport like jogging or by eating less,for me i found eating less much a easier and quicker way,i still gained much muscle you just have to eat enough protein.
First off you'll have to be more patient than your posts suggest. Lee was fit most of his life; he was a street brawler, dance champion, and high-level martial artist all before he even stepped foot in the US. I also severely doubt he was at a very low bodyfat % year-round, and if he was, it was more of a detriment to his health (physical and mental) and performance than any sort of benefit. Not to mention the fact that not everyone really looks so great so lean. Perhaps with their clothes off, but unless you're an action movie star or really wish to hang out on the beach all day, that really shouldn't matter so much. Personally I look much better, facially, at ~10% now than I did a few years ago when I was inching below 5% and chasing your goal. In their fitness fantasies, people over-emphasize how they want to look naked, or in a three-sizes-too-small t-shirt, when in the real world looking good in a suit is an order of magnitude more important.Vieo said:
Another thing you have to bear in mind is that not only do you have to be extremely disciplined in order to get anywhere near that point, you have to maintain that level of discipline for as long as you want to maintain that physique level. That means things like: scheduling meals; keeping track of every calorie you eat; making sure that every calorie counts (since you'll only be eating about 1300 of them a day, and less as you get leaner); keeping track of your workouts and your workout progression to make sure your diet/exercise planning isn't screwing your body over; essentially reorganizing your life/priorities in order to not interfere with accomplishing this goal (no unplanned cheating; no missing workouts; making sure you have enough energy to get in meaningful exercise without wearing yourself out; perhaps limiting social commitments where you'll be expected to eat a certain way, or drink a certain way, or stay up all night, etc...). You're asking for something much different than just, "work out, eat right, and feel better." You're asking to do the same thing that, say, professional bodybuilders do to prepare for a contest, only instead of just staying that way for a weekend, staying that way for the rest of your life.
Uh, not to shoot down your dreams...
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I should clarify, there are means of supplementation where you can, to an extent, force your body to build muscle and burn fat at the same time, but this guy seems to want to stay as far away from anything that will help him as he can, so I structured my response as bare-bones as could be. Someone of his size simply won't be able to do both though.
Also, note that when I say they are mutually exclusive, I'm not saying that you can't build muscle without gaining fat, as that is entirely possible. In order to really gain any good amount you have to pay pretty close attention to your diet, but it is possible.
But without using weights, any sort of supplementation, and just running and pushups, he won't be gaining muscle and burning fat at the same time.
By the way...have you actually seen what body builders look like in the off season? They are most certainly not that cut all year round. They have rather enormous stomachs during the off season. They really look quite odd.
Eh...supplements have nothing to do with it. Someone else already posted this but when u are building muscles, you are already increasing ur metabolism and therefore burning more calories which will help lose fat. Also what if someone was getting most of their calories from tuna fish, relatively and in some cases completly fat free, very protein food? high calorie tuna diet would not make you gain fat but i gurantee you it will help u put on some heavy ass muscle. You might be confusing gaining size with gaining muscle.morbidaza said:
Well are we assuming he is eating high protein/low fat food that is not supplements? If so, i don't see why he wouldn't gain muscles.
Sure, i'm a personal trainer myself, and i have a few body builder friends, including one of my cousins. I can't speak for all the body builders but sometimes body builders seem bulky not because they are not watching their diet, but because they don't do as intense cardio on the off season. When the competition dates get closer, they really start up on the cardio and thats what makes them look so cut.
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They don't seem bulky because of not doing as intense cardio, but because they eat a rediculously huge amount of food in order to gain muscle mass. I'd try and dig up some pics but I don't think most of the folks on this board want to see what a professional body builder with a belly looks like =). Imagine arnie in peak form. Now stick a watermelon in his stomach. It's really quite the sight.
I suppose you may be right in terms of fat loss and muscle gain...I'm speaking in terms of size, incase that makes a difference. I'm fully aware that you can gain strength and lose fat, but the consensus over at abcbodybuilding seemed to be that you just weren't going to do both size and fat loss at the same time. My comment about supplementation is that there is a supplement out there that supposedly makes it much more probable that one would be able to do such a thing. I don't remember the name of it, but I'm sure it could be found at abc. Also, in terms of a high protein diet, wouldn't you also need to have a relatively large amount of carbs to put on muscle in proportion to the protein you're eating? You need something there to fuel protein synthesis. A high carb diet would most certainly lead to some fat being put on unless you burn every little bit between excersize and hypertrophy and daily body stuff(watch it now...terms are getting technical
). In which case it seems you would be able to acheive no better than equilibrium, as if you drop the carbs, there are less and less carbs to be spent for building your muscles up. Is this wrong?
I suppose you may be right in terms of fat loss and muscle gain...I'm speaking in terms of size, incase that makes a difference. I'm fully aware that you can gain strength and lose fat, but the consensus over at abcbodybuilding seemed to be that you just weren't going to do both size and fat loss at the same time. My comment about supplementation is that there is a supplement out there that supposedly makes it much more probable that one would be able to do such a thing. I don't remember the name of it, but I'm sure it could be found at abc. Also, in terms of a high protein diet, wouldn't you also need to have a relatively large amount of carbs to put on muscle in proportion to the protein you're eating? You need something there to fuel protein synthesis. A high carb diet would most certainly lead to some fat being put on unless you burn every little bit between excersize and hypertrophy and daily body stuff(watch it now...terms are getting technical
). In which case it seems you would be able to acheive no better than equilibrium, as if you drop the carbs, there are less and less carbs to be spent for building your muscles up. Is this wrong?Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I'm not sure why anyone is bothering to give advice to someone that obviously doesn't care about doing what it takes to get there.
For half a year, I've worked out five days a week. My job is constant cardio on top of the daily running I do anyway. I have a machine-like diet regimen that my girlfriend has complained about because it's so planned out and regulated. I still have a small gut, and I'm 170 pounds. If you're expecting results of any kind in under 20 minutes a day with no weight training, no diet changes or diet supplements, and no real motivation to go beyond any advice you get, you deserve to have a shitty body.
For half a year, I've worked out five days a week. My job is constant cardio on top of the daily running I do anyway. I have a machine-like diet regimen that my girlfriend has complained about because it's so planned out and regulated. I still have a small gut, and I'm 170 pounds. If you're expecting results of any kind in under 20 minutes a day with no weight training, no diet changes or diet supplements, and no real motivation to go beyond any advice you get, you deserve to have a shitty body.
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Yes, 30 - 45 minutes of cardio is the minimum threshold to achieve weight loss. If you can't put that much time into exercise 5 days a week, then you suck.
Well...been trying for years. First you need to lose any fat in your body. This may involve like some people have said doing long runs and having a strict diet with tons of water.
Then begins the process of building tone and not volume. It's not that I have achieved the tone Bruce had on the legs and arms. Actually my legs have tons of volume and my arms are too skinny with not volume at all.
But when it comes to abdominals I got build with pretty much the right tone. I started by just doing 25 abdominals per day. Well done, and slowly...And then I jumped to 33...and to 50.
In a couple of weeks the tone began to appear.
I don't have the slightest about how to build tone on arms but well...I just wanted the Bruce Lee "look" on my chest-abdominals and I think I got it. At the end it's more a result of personal constitution than anything. I have slim-constitution and with a bit of effort the definition appeared.
My brother for instance, has tons of volume and he is build up "like Chuck Norris" which is a bit different...
Then begins the process of building tone and not volume. It's not that I have achieved the tone Bruce had on the legs and arms. Actually my legs have tons of volume and my arms are too skinny with not volume at all.
But when it comes to abdominals I got build with pretty much the right tone. I started by just doing 25 abdominals per day. Well done, and slowly...And then I jumped to 33...and to 50.
In a couple of weeks the tone began to appear.
I don't have the slightest about how to build tone on arms but well...I just wanted the Bruce Lee "look" on my chest-abdominals and I think I got it. At the end it's more a result of personal constitution than anything. I have slim-constitution and with a bit of effort the definition appeared.
My brother for instance, has tons of volume and he is build up "like Chuck Norris" which is a bit different...
As far as getting cut up like bruce lee, doing some pushups and other exercises for two months won't cut it. Just look up Bruce Lee's daily workout regiment - it was insane.
And it's not just about how 'cut' he was. It was the strength of his muscles, which were someone once described as 'hard as oak.' I remember reading he was pound for pound the strongest man in recorded history.
And it's not just about how 'cut' he was. It was the strength of his muscles, which were someone once described as 'hard as oak.' I remember reading he was pound for pound the strongest man in recorded history.
I think your doing yourself in by not eating right. Eating junk food to get bigger is even worse. You want to bulk nice and clean. Check up on Bodybuilding.com and abcbodybuilding.com for general bulking up guides. You also don't need Supplements either, although they might help.
To get ripped like Bruce you would really really really have to work for it. I mean I do BJJ training every Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday. Then on Tuesdays and Thursdays I do some cardio or weights at the gym and on Saturdays I do MMA training before I do my BJJ class. I'm 6'3 and around 190lbs and I would say i'm sort of ripped and very fit, but to get to that you've got to work for it. I'm no where near as toned/ripped as Bruce and I don't think I will be to for quite some time. Just get into it and really try to improve yourself, don't cheat when doing weights or skimp when doing cardio, just give it 100% each time. Also just because you don't see instant results don't give up, It may take a while before you see really noticable differences.
To get ripped like Bruce you would really really really have to work for it. I mean I do BJJ training every Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday. Then on Tuesdays and Thursdays I do some cardio or weights at the gym and on Saturdays I do MMA training before I do my BJJ class. I'm 6'3 and around 190lbs and I would say i'm sort of ripped and very fit, but to get to that you've got to work for it. I'm no where near as toned/ripped as Bruce and I don't think I will be to for quite some time. Just get into it and really try to improve yourself, don't cheat when doing weights or skimp when doing cardio, just give it 100% each time. Also just because you don't see instant results don't give up, It may take a while before you see really noticable differences.
Get cut like bruce lee quickly? 2 months of trianing, that's it? If it was that easy then everyone would be cut like Bruce Lee.
I do reccomend lot of push ups and sit ups in the morning and learn how to breakdance. Also, dont seek results, just make it a part of your daily life, get a regiment, do it everyday. Dont think about hitting a "3 month mark i should look like this". Just do it and dont think about it. It's good for you, you should do it anyway.
oh yeah, join a MMA class that will whip your ass. If you dont have a reason to do it outside of vanity, then you're not going to get too far.
I do reccomend lot of push ups and sit ups in the morning and learn how to breakdance. Also, dont seek results, just make it a part of your daily life, get a regiment, do it everyday. Dont think about hitting a "3 month mark i should look like this". Just do it and dont think about it. It's good for you, you should do it anyway.
oh yeah, join a MMA class that will whip your ass. If you dont have a reason to do it outside of vanity, then you're not going to get too far.
Doesn't this scrap your muscle mass as well?
I'm in a similar sort of boat. Working full time + school = little motivation to do anything besides relax when I have spare time. I'd be perfectly willing to devote about an hour a day, 5-6 days a week, but more than that is pushing it, especially since I don't have a lifting buddy to keep me interested. While I don't want to be "cut up like Bruce Lee", I would like to lose some damn weight. Any regimens/books that can be recommended?
I suppose that the "OMG YOU CAN'T LOSE WAIT W/O PUTING IN MORE THEN THAT" answer is acceptable, but I'm not looking for something that's going to have me in championship shape within 6 months. I'm looking for something that will provide slow, steady results and that fits with my motivation and schedule. If that's impossible, I can accept that, and will have to wait until things calm down in my schedule. I don't think it's too much to ask, though.
Should I just stick with about 45 mins of cardio a day and work on my muscles once I've lost some of my rather prodigious gut or have some more time? Is a 3-day lifting, 2-day(or 3-day) cardio program better than straight cardio? Can one even implement such a program given only about an hour a day?
I secretly hope that setting this sort of week system in place will encourage me to ramp it up once I get free time, rather than having to start from square one.
Like i said i can't speak for all body builders but the ones i know, plus Jeff Willets from AST is on of the top bodybuilders in the world, always keeps a very strict diet. Even if body builders do just eat as much as they can, they are being ignorant and still following ancient bodybuilding myths. You missed my whole point in my post, calories from fat are not the same as calories from protein.
Bodybuilders are not concerned with just size, but muscle size. If they don't always try to eat right, its due to time limitations, not a biological limitation.
No you don't have a to have a large amount of carbs if your bodybuilding. I said high protein diet because he is just trying to get cut. Bruce lee needed to balance his carbs and protein, but for body builders they need not have high carb diets, just high protein diets. Also lets not get to complicated here, carbs will gain you fat but there are so many other factors like GI level of carbs.
Its not min for weight loss, doing cardio for that long will make you lose muscle as well as fat, which is not good. Doing shorter higher intensity cardio will help you lose fat and maintain muscle. In short, 15 mins of high intensity interval training cardio > 40 + minute low intensity cardio as far as fat loss is compared.
I'm not saying its going to be easy but people are thinking he wants to be bruce lee, in terms of speed, strenght, agility. Thats the reason why Bruce Lee's training was so intense. Getting "cut up" is not nearly that hard, its not even in the same ball park. Someone can get cut up like bruce lee fairly easily (well i guess it really depends on what u considering easy
)Its not that hard, infact you'll find it to be quite easy if u have long term goals. If its simply weight you wish to lose, all you need to do is eat sensibly and do cardio for 5 days week. The cardio i mentioned above is what i'm talking about. I'll explain it in a bit more detail here. All u need to do is 15 minutes of cardio everyday, best would be on a stationary bike but if ur like me, and don't have acess to it, you can just run. This cardio however is not that easy. Its 15 minutes of very high intensity cardio, done in intervals. So for like 1 minute, you run really fast, and one minute, you jog (or walk, i would recommend it for beginners). Do this for 15 minutes and push yourself as far as to always be completly exhausted by the end of the 15 minutes. Right after that, you eat 3 small clean meals consisting of carbs and protein. This is to ensure that your body starts to recover right away and start rebuilding. Most people dont' realize it but cardio also builds muscle. Out of the 7 types of muscle fibers, only 1 is worked out when weight lifting, the other six are worked out in cardiovasular workouts.
Never do above 20-25 minutes of cardio because you will start to lose muscle mass and its not as effect as short, high intensity cardio in terms of lossing "fat". If your goal is just to lose fat, than just stick to the cardio but if u also want to increase muscle size, i would suggest lifting 3 times a week, 2 major body parts a day and doing cardio twice a week. Lifting weights will also help towards ur goal of losing fat becuase the more muscles you have, the more your metabolism speeds up, causing you to lose fat. Plus, the bigger muscles you have, the more "cut up" you look. Anyways, i can go into more detail if u tell me u do want to gain some muscle but if ur only goal is to lose fat, than stick to the cardio 5 times a week, 15 mins a day.
Thanks effzee. I know that building muscle ultimately increases your metabolism, and I'm hoping that I'll have some extra time during the next semester at school to devote to the gym. Last semester I was able to regularly allot 90-120 minutes each night to the rec, but since I came home for the summer I'm really short on the free time. Sounds like some HIT will kill some fat while also keeping me on a regular schedule - which is crucial if I want to keep at it.
I could use some more clarification on this.
I could use some more clarification on this.
Only willing to put forth 20 minutes a day won't get you anywhere. When I went into college I was right around 155-160 which I was fine with, then I stopped my running and working out once I got there and busted up too 190 after two years. I have just recently began burning off some of the weight. And that is with exercise and small weights for just about an hour and a half 6 days a week. Included in that is cutting just about every food that I love out of my diet. No pop, low sugar, low carbs, low fat, high protein, no fast food, no greasy food... oh man I miss my doughnuts. But in about 6 weeks I'm down 15 lbs, and I can't even begin to see myself going back to my old habits. If i cheat even once, or miss a workout, I get such an extreme feeling of guilt that I kill myself working out the next day. 15 lbs, in 6 weeks ins't a huge pace but even seeing 2 pounds missing at the end of every week raises how much better you feel about yourself like none other. Now I only wish I didn't have worn down, destroyed knee's, so I could push myself to a larger limit... but I guess I just have to work with what I have here.
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There is a 20 minute effective cardio method called HIIT - High Intensity Interval Training. Google it. Its basically sprint, jog, sprint, jog, etc. with a little more to it than that. It kicks your ass. If you don't feel like throwing up after it, you're not doing it right.
Its supposed to retain muscle a lot better than moderate or low intensity cardio sessions.
- Eat 5-6 small, clean meals
- Hit the weights. I recall hearing Lee benched 315. That only takes an hour out of your time.
- Do HIIT
- Get a lot of rest
You won't be Bruce quickly but 2-3 years...possibly. Information on the body in 1970 was not as known as information in 2005.
Its supposed to retain muscle a lot better than moderate or low intensity cardio sessions.
- Eat 5-6 small, clean meals
- Hit the weights. I recall hearing Lee benched 315. That only takes an hour out of your time.
- Do HIIT
- Get a lot of rest
You won't be Bruce quickly but 2-3 years...possibly. Information on the body in 1970 was not as known as information in 2005.
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Papi said:
He may weigh the same as Bruce but I doubt he could do this though.
It's still interesting to other people.Boogie said:
How much would you recommend? I don't have problems with motivating myself to run or lift, but rather giving myself rest. Weird? Yes. I guess I'm somewhat of an insomniac. I've done crazy workouts where I get two hours of sleep (5 AM - 7 AM), go to school, and then run ten miles after. That is definitely not good for my health - though I am in pretty damn good shape.
Does anyone know if Bruce Lee's pulse or blood pressure was ever recorded and released? I'm interested because I've read somewhere that his training was extremely "intense." I'm wondering if this caused him to have a high blood pressure or something. Also, I got my blood pressure tested today (94 over 60) and would just like to compare.
By three small meals, i mean that right after you weight lift or do the cardio, you should eat 1 small meal an hour apart for a total of 3 meals. Each meal should be like 6:4 ratio of protein to carbs. So like a simple meal like chicken and rice would be great. Also if u do start weight lifting and doing cardio, make sure u never do both one after another, wait atleast a minimum of 8 hours between cardio and weight lifting.
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