Nope. They need to make it better... take apps out from behind the paywall and make Live a better value for instance.
How can Microsoft win back your heart for XB1?
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Nope. They need to make it better... take apps out from behind the paywall and make Live a better value for instance.
They had me at Halo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZipoIbBDf-c
And it couldn't have come a moment sooner, either, because I was really starting to worry we may not get another one of these.
Dat poncho :3
Also, didn't they originally say that 343 were making a second "trilogy"?
(Which has now become a saga.)
Edit: Just re-watched, my reaction was pretty much exactly the same as that gif (minus the crying). Do want.
The hard drives are not proprietary, but they have special firmware and the firmware only supports certain Western Digital drives. At least that's how it is on the 360. They basically just take a $50 Western Digital laptop hard drive, put it in a cheap plastic case and then sell it to you for twice as much. I have a "third party" drive in my 360 that's essentially the same thing but in a third party plastic enclosure. I paid like $60 for it. Only issue I had was with backwards compatibility... I had to patch in BC support with a Windows program which I guess the makers forgot to do.
Probably the same deal on Xbone only this time they won't even sell you a marked up laptop drive to replace it with. Kinda stupid considering we will have 30+ gb games.
I always have been and still am getting a launch XB1 since the first 180. The Day 1 Achievement is too much to pass up. Seriously though, I'm getting one for a mix of friends and a few exclusives that I want, so no convincing needed here. They haven't won my heart back(just my wallet) yet, but the DRM reversals and game unveilings were enough for me.
-Good exclusive games (that are actually exclusive and not just console-exclusive)
-A cross-buy program similar to Sony's where buying a game would also let me download the PC version (if available)
-Some kind of commitment to backwards compatibility on future consoles
-Stop hiding features behind XBL Gold paywall
-Stop trying to bleed every cent out of me through things like ads and microtransactions
-A cross-buy program similar to Sony's where buying a game would also let me download the PC version (if available)
-Some kind of commitment to backwards compatibility on future consoles
-Stop hiding features behind XBL Gold paywall
-Stop trying to bleed every cent out of me through things like ads and microtransactions
Redesign it with faster hardware than the PS4. I'll eventually own both, but I buy most games for whatever platform ends up getting the best looking/performing versions. With the not insignificant performance gap between the Xbone and the PS4, it's a pretty safe bet that I'll be buying almost all my third party titles on Sony's platform.
Get rid of Ads on their Dashboard (or at least don't have them on the XB1, that or make their online service free).
Make some enticing exclusive IPs (I think a Conker and/or traditional banjo title would definitely do the trick). Ryse, Dead Rising and Killer Instinct are a good start, and Halo is fun. They need more though, and definitely need some internal (or microsoft owned) development studios that can provide that.
Bring the price down to $400 to match the PS4
Finally prove that they won't try to pull more of the same anti-consumer crap they attempted to do with the XB1.
If they do all of that (or at least 3 of the 4), i'll happily return to them. Otherwise I can be patient. I like Halo, but not that much (and Titanfall is being released for PC, so i don't have to miss out on that).
Make some enticing exclusive IPs (I think a Conker and/or traditional banjo title would definitely do the trick). Ryse, Dead Rising and Killer Instinct are a good start, and Halo is fun. They need more though, and definitely need some internal (or microsoft owned) development studios that can provide that.
Bring the price down to $400 to match the PS4
Finally prove that they won't try to pull more of the same anti-consumer crap they attempted to do with the XB1.
If they do all of that (or at least 3 of the 4), i'll happily return to them. Otherwise I can be patient. I like Halo, but not that much (and Titanfall is being released for PC, so i don't have to miss out on that).
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Yep, they did, but I'm glad they aren't limiting them to a "trilogy"
When you don't call it a trilogy, they can actually afford to get quite creative over the course of building games in the Saga. Could even go for a third person pov style game mixed in with FPS, hypothetically. And I don't mean that in the way that it was done before in prior games, where it's third person when you're controlling a vehicle, manning a turret, or carrying a really heavy weapon.
Cyber Caesar
Member
That thread title is so lame.
Andy the cook
Neo Member
Get persona 5 or fallout 4 as an exclusive that is literally the only thing they could do to win me back.
Enordash
Member
Nothing wrong with it. Just wondering if that's the case. I'm personally excited for the Kinect UI features. They could suck out loud of course. I'll just have to wait and see.
1) Remove gold requirement for all apps - online only
2) tell me the uk will get a proper TV guide service within 6 months of launch
3) tell me that you are working to fully integrate DVRs including searching and playing back recordings (like TiVo iPad app can do)
4) show me plex as an app for Xbox
5) convince me they won't stop releasing first party software for it. Not sure how they do this without me having to wait 5 years to see.
2) tell me the uk will get a proper TV guide service within 6 months of launch
3) tell me that you are working to fully integrate DVRs including searching and playing back recordings (like TiVo iPad app can do)
4) show me plex as an app for Xbox
5) convince me they won't stop releasing first party software for it. Not sure how they do this without me having to wait 5 years to see.
Impeccable
Member
Considering third parties will be better on PS4 they'll have to show me through exclusives from first party. Traditionally their first party games don't tickle my fancy so it's not looking good for good ole MS.
Yeah, I think it'll give them a bit more of a creative freedom. I really hope they make another ODST spinoff, however have the focus be more on stealth. That'd be cool.
Quite a few things. I would like to believe that Microsoft is in a position financially to allow free multiplayer for non-Xbox Live Gold members on the Xbox 360 and a lot of the apps (like using Skype, browsing the Internet with IE, Netflix, etc.) be available for use on both 360 and XB1 as well. I'm perfectly fine with subscribing to Xbox Live Gold to use multiplayer on XB1.
I would also love to see complete backwards compatibility all the way back to the first generation Xbox. All you have to do is insert the disc, the system recognizes the disc as a Xbox or Xbox 360 game and allows you to download a compatible version for Xbox One even for Xbox games that weren't compatible with the 360.
Let Rare be Rare, not some Kinect development house. Give whatever money they can to the Stampers, give them dev kits, and say, "Go nuts. We'll leave our executives dicking around on their smartphones while you give your presentation in Redmond." And do so the same with Will Wright and the people from Project Gotham Racing. In other words, let the developers and creative people in gaming make what they want, regardless of if it ticks a certain box or is a Kinect game.
If Microsoft insists upon a Kinect game being made, it shouldn't feel like how the FMV's games did during the early Sega CD/PlayStation days and should be really good.
I would also love to see complete backwards compatibility all the way back to the first generation Xbox. All you have to do is insert the disc, the system recognizes the disc as a Xbox or Xbox 360 game and allows you to download a compatible version for Xbox One even for Xbox games that weren't compatible with the 360.
Let Rare be Rare, not some Kinect development house. Give whatever money they can to the Stampers, give them dev kits, and say, "Go nuts. We'll leave our executives dicking around on their smartphones while you give your presentation in Redmond." And do so the same with Will Wright and the people from Project Gotham Racing. In other words, let the developers and creative people in gaming make what they want, regardless of if it ticks a certain box or is a Kinect game.
If Microsoft insists upon a Kinect game being made, it shouldn't feel like how the FMV's games did during the early Sega CD/PlayStation days and should be really good.
Fornaximus
Member
Bring down the paywall. For everything. You and the people who bought into XBL Gold lured Sony to the dark side, now flip the table on them and be the good guy for once.
ShinMaruku
Member
They can't. The revealed what they are thinking this never getting my trust.
well this is embarassing, I guess I should go home and change into a different avatar
Poker Face
Member
Bring back killer instinct....and they're already doing that.
Indeed GAF does, but again, my point is it's almost always physical. Digital getting those types of discounts, especially via walled garden platforms, seems like two opposing heads butting with one another. It's one of genuine blind optimism that expects that. "B-because it could be like Steam" is the argument, but you can get Steam games from other services that aren't even Steam, let alone the other number of competitors also offering PC games. For Wii U, PS4, and Xbox One digital games, you are either getting it from the platform holder or you're buying someone's library. There is no other channel to offer competition, which in turn, produces sales. People tend to forget that the reason PC gets so many digital games discounted is because you have so many companies, so many services, offering the same games on the same platform. This creates competition, and in turn one-upmanship, which offers more sales. Compare that to the consoles where you get the same sort of thing happening with physical, never digital. How many services offer you PSN games outside of Sony? Maybe JUST GameStop, and they offer you a download code for it, and you might save tax on buying a code. That's about it.
You seem to fail to understand the issue for you aren't looking at it. How many bomba threads come up on GAF for a digital release of a console game instead of a physical release? The difference in distribution does indeed take into account the lack of demand, which in turn offers a price drop. Many physical things that fail to move are given major cuts. Wii U bombas in particular are a showcase of this if you even want to argue the moving of hardware and not just software. The avenues and chances you as a consumer to find these types of deals via physical will go away on an all-digital platform, which, again, are closed, wall-garden platforms. Your choices for purchases will be handled by the one company running things, and by having one player in that system, you create a system that doesn't have to lower the price because someone else is offering the same thing for the same platform at a lower price. When that goes away on a digital front, so do sales. I am not against a digital platform, just closed ones. Consoles are closed platform, so closing it further and letting the people making the systems control everything (including sales) seems like something I cannot genuinely support. It becomes a "pay this or fuck off" sort of affair, as you have no other options, for every other outlet has been eliminated.
...So never, then?
SwiftDeath
Member
Drop kinect out of the bundle and I'm in for sure
Hell I'll buy a used one next year regardless *shrug*
Hell I'll buy a used one next year regardless *shrug*
Barrel Cannon
Member
Bring back the pieces of ensemble studios(robot ent, etc) and make a true Halo Wars sequel
Make Freelancer 2 but as an MMO for consoles
Crimson Skies 2
Phantom Dust as a f2p game with fancier cosmetic items behind a pay wall
Relocate/fire some of the 343 staff who were behind Halo 4's more stupid decisions and hire people who can service the community properly. Delay Halo 5 until it is ready. Halo 4 removed so many features of previous games. We shouldn't be going backwards in terms of functionality.
Make Freelancer 2 but as an MMO for consoles
Crimson Skies 2
Phantom Dust as a f2p game with fancier cosmetic items behind a pay wall
Relocate/fire some of the 343 staff who were behind Halo 4's more stupid decisions and hire people who can service the community properly. Delay Halo 5 until it is ready. Halo 4 removed so many features of previous games. We shouldn't be going backwards in terms of functionality.
bigDdestruction
Member
they need to ditch kinect and lower price by 100 dollars to compete with sony. also they need to build on there first party studios. I absolutely refuse to believe dead rising 3 will stay exclusive to xbone knowing how greedy capcom are. The way I see it, if it ain't published by Microsoft it's a timed exclusive
Magic Mushroom
Member
Publishing Devil's Third and a Platinum exclusive.
But I might bite if Quantum Break is awesome.
But I might bite if Quantum Break is awesome.
Timemuffin
Banned
Seriously guys, if you guys convince Microsoft to release a kinect-less bundle I'm going to be so mad at you. You will have effectively made a very boring console out of something that was actually pretty exciting.
It's pretty simple. Lower the price.
$399 gets them back in the running. I just refuse to pay more for less. Okay, maybe a little more, for a little less, but the current value preposition just seems kinda laughable.
And $399 is only attractive if you ascribe the Kinect as having at least a $50 value by itself. (I probably do.) If you ignore any value added by the Kinect, The XB1 is a $349 console, at best.
It just blows my mind that MS sold the bleeding edge 360 for $399 in 2005, (a good and fair price, I felt) but now they want $100 more for an extremely modest console in 2013. Yeah, yeah, now there's a "free" Kinect. And yeah, yeah, this time MS gets to make money from day one. I don't care. Why should I? I just want the deal I got last time.
Aside from the RROD fiasco, it seems like everybody did pretty darn well with the 360, on both sides of the ball. MS sold lots of consoles, and lots of Live memberships, and a metric shitload of software. And I think their customer base was, by in large, pretty happy with the deal they got. So... why is MS shit canning pretty much everything that got them to where they are? (They are presumably keeping their best-in-class online infrastructure. In fairness, I shouldn't ignore that.)
It confuses me.
$399 gets them back in the running. I just refuse to pay more for less. Okay, maybe a little more, for a little less, but the current value preposition just seems kinda laughable.
And $399 is only attractive if you ascribe the Kinect as having at least a $50 value by itself. (I probably do.) If you ignore any value added by the Kinect, The XB1 is a $349 console, at best.
It just blows my mind that MS sold the bleeding edge 360 for $399 in 2005, (a good and fair price, I felt) but now they want $100 more for an extremely modest console in 2013. Yeah, yeah, now there's a "free" Kinect. And yeah, yeah, this time MS gets to make money from day one. I don't care. Why should I? I just want the deal I got last time.
Aside from the RROD fiasco, it seems like everybody did pretty darn well with the 360, on both sides of the ball. MS sold lots of consoles, and lots of Live memberships, and a metric shitload of software. And I think their customer base was, by in large, pretty happy with the deal they got. So... why is MS shit canning pretty much everything that got them to where they are? (They are presumably keeping their best-in-class online infrastructure. In fairness, I shouldn't ignore that.)
It confuses me.
Games. Power, price, features, kinect. None of that matters if there is something you can only play on the Xbox One.
Price. It's come to light that Sony is taking another loss on the PS4, and MS is not on the Xbox One. A price drop would go a long way.
Price. It's come to light that Sony is taking another loss on the PS4, and MS is not on the Xbox One. A price drop would go a long way.
Napalm_Frank
Member
It's up to MS to sell their ''exciting'' console. Not our fault if it ends up being a separate add-on.
mekes
Member
Microsoft would need to deliver a better quality proposition as a games console. I don't care about TV services, HDMI in in general, Kinect (especially being boxed in), Xbox Live (PsPlus is on a whole other level), I've never liked a Microsoft controller before, Microsoft would need to stop putting apps behind a paywall and lastly they would need to deliver a sincere apology for the red light fiasco that saw me go through 5 Xbox 360s.
The Crimson Kid
what are you waiting for
I always judge the value of a platform that I haven't bought by the number of exclusive games for (or games that are best experienced on) that platform and the number of games I'm somewhat interested in trying out. I need more of these games for more expensive platforms to justify the purchase. Services matter too but to be honest none of the non-gaming services on any of the current or next-gen consoles really appeal to me all that much.
Here's my current example of what I mean: I just BARELY justified buying the Wii U with Wind Waker bundle for $300. The exclusives (or best played on) games I wanted were: Pikmin, Rayman Legends, Wonderful 101, Wind Waker, Mario 3D Land, Bayo 2, X, and ZombiU. I am also somewhat interested in trying out NSMBU, DK Tropical Freeze, and Monster Hunter 3U. I would've gotten Wind Waker regardless when I got a Wii U, so the system was effectively $250. So it took 6-8 solid exclusives and a few other interesting games for me to just barely justify spending $300 on a console, even if the game output died after everything I wanted came out.
I am already in for PS4 because Sony has already announced several first-party exclusive games I want to play, along with several indie games that l want to play as well. Also, I strongly suspect the third-party games will all be at parity at least with XB1 with plenty being superior on PS4 due to the similar system architectures between the systems but with an easier system to develop for and superior GPU and RAM. I want to play Infamous, Driveclub, Killzone, Planetside 2 (my computer can't handle it), Deep Down, and a sizable list of indie titles. The fact that Sony's first-party output has been consistent recently helped with my confidence in their future lineup. Also, the facts that PS+ has been a fantastic value (that I get several times more out of than what it costs) and that I don't get ads shoved in my face everytime I use the console is worth quite a bit as well. I'll admit I'm giving them some benefit of the doubt, but that's just because they've earned it through their output on PS3/Vita in the past couple years and their consistent presentation of the PS4.
Now, not only does the Xbox One cost $500, I have to factor in another several hundred dollars in XBL costs to get the full experiences from games (which, as a longtime XBL subscriber, feels more like a tax than a payment for services at this point). So $500 + several years of XBL with bunches of ads (excuse me, RECOMMENDATIONS) comes out to around $750-900. Let's leave aside the fact that Microsoft has squandered any and all trust I had in them to not totally screw the consumer over at every turn and just look at games: Now, you saw what kind of volume of games I needed for me to buy a Wii U at $250-300. I'm gonna need around twenty interesting exclusives before I jump in again, and the only way that number gets lower is if the price/policies change more, or if some of those games are at GTA5/TLoU level of undeniable exceptional quality.
So far, I can count the games I am interested in on one hand.
They have a steep hill to climb with games for me to justify investing in the console plus the service for several years, and they've earned zero benefit of the doubt. I'm done giving any credence to their PR. The only way they can get any business from me in the future is by their output of exclusive games.
Here's my current example of what I mean: I just BARELY justified buying the Wii U with Wind Waker bundle for $300. The exclusives (or best played on) games I wanted were: Pikmin, Rayman Legends, Wonderful 101, Wind Waker, Mario 3D Land, Bayo 2, X, and ZombiU. I am also somewhat interested in trying out NSMBU, DK Tropical Freeze, and Monster Hunter 3U. I would've gotten Wind Waker regardless when I got a Wii U, so the system was effectively $250. So it took 6-8 solid exclusives and a few other interesting games for me to just barely justify spending $300 on a console, even if the game output died after everything I wanted came out.
I am already in for PS4 because Sony has already announced several first-party exclusive games I want to play, along with several indie games that l want to play as well. Also, I strongly suspect the third-party games will all be at parity at least with XB1 with plenty being superior on PS4 due to the similar system architectures between the systems but with an easier system to develop for and superior GPU and RAM. I want to play Infamous, Driveclub, Killzone, Planetside 2 (my computer can't handle it), Deep Down, and a sizable list of indie titles. The fact that Sony's first-party output has been consistent recently helped with my confidence in their future lineup. Also, the facts that PS+ has been a fantastic value (that I get several times more out of than what it costs) and that I don't get ads shoved in my face everytime I use the console is worth quite a bit as well. I'll admit I'm giving them some benefit of the doubt, but that's just because they've earned it through their output on PS3/Vita in the past couple years and their consistent presentation of the PS4.
Now, not only does the Xbox One cost $500, I have to factor in another several hundred dollars in XBL costs to get the full experiences from games (which, as a longtime XBL subscriber, feels more like a tax than a payment for services at this point). So $500 + several years of XBL with bunches of ads (excuse me, RECOMMENDATIONS) comes out to around $750-900. Let's leave aside the fact that Microsoft has squandered any and all trust I had in them to not totally screw the consumer over at every turn and just look at games: Now, you saw what kind of volume of games I needed for me to buy a Wii U at $250-300. I'm gonna need around twenty interesting exclusives before I jump in again, and the only way that number gets lower is if the price/policies change more, or if some of those games are at GTA5/TLoU level of undeniable exceptional quality.
So far, I can count the games I am interested in on one hand.
They have a steep hill to climb with games for me to justify investing in the console plus the service for several years, and they've earned zero benefit of the doubt. I'm done giving any credence to their PR. The only way they can get any business from me in the future is by their output of exclusive games.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Nothing at this point. They simply have nothing to offer that exceeds PS4 for me.
As far as the OP, for me nothing, I've not owned an Xbox and this iteration certainly isn't any more likely to tempt me than the 360. However for many people, drop the price to match the PS4. Kinect in or out doesn't matter. Do that and the entire race gets a whole new shift.
If MS had wanted it so bad and were so dead sure it was the way forward they would have detailed what was so great about it a damned sight fucking better than they did. All we got from them about all of it "Oh but you just don't understand" "people are missing the point".
THEN EXPLAIN IT TO PEOPLE.
Instead they mumbled and and stumbled though countless interviews, cancelled countless others and then did exactly what Sony did.
Don't blame GAF for making the Xbone what it is today. Either thank them, or blame MS.
If MS had wanted it so bad and were so dead sure it was the way forward they would have detailed what was so great about it a damned sight fucking better than they did. All we got from them about all of it "Oh but you just don't understand" "people are missing the point".
THEN EXPLAIN IT TO PEOPLE.
Instead they mumbled and and stumbled though countless interviews, cancelled countless others and then did exactly what Sony did.
Don't blame GAF for making the Xbone what it is today. Either thank them, or blame MS.
love me some Gears.Prince Vultan
Banned
Drop Kinect.
Drop price.
Have some interesting games on the platform.
Not a lot to ask I feel.
Hahahahahahahahaha!
I love me some Deadly Premonition, but that is some hilarious shit.
Drop price.
Have some interesting games on the platform.
Not a lot to ask I feel.
Hahahahahahahahaha!
I love me some Deadly Premonition, but that is some hilarious shit.
Naked Lunch
Member
They already won me back because, of what has been announced, they have a much better games' lineup than the competition. Outside of the staple FPS's they even went for big name Japanese devs like Swery for D4 and the creator of Panzer Dragoon for Crimson Dragon. The Metal Gear series is now on the platform - where MGS4 was the sole reason I purchased a PS3. Confirmed dedicated servers for the big titles is a big deal and already means XB1 will be the multiplayer platform of choice. Finally, there's no way in hell I could miss the next Halo and Killer Instinct.