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How does heaven hold every single living creature ever?

justAjohn

Member
Heaven is in higher dimensions. Just look at the size of known universe and see how much space there is for everyone. Now make that just one more dimensional and you end up wth a lot of free estate. But Heaven is coupled with the ability to change that space, otherwise it would be pointless.
 

Thurible

Member
Though it is believed every living thing possesses a soul, only human beings possess a rational and immortal soul. It seems likely that non-human creatures simply just die.

Also, you seem to be putting on physical constraints into a place that wouldn't operate in such a manner. "Overcrowding" wouldn't be an issue.
 
It must suck for the guy in heaven who died young. He waits like 50 years for his wife to show up and then she shows up with Steve...

Anyway, I don’t believe in any of it. When you die that’s it. And it won’t be scary because you won’t have any clue what’s going on. I believe it’s sad in a sense but I think it speaks to cherishing your family more while they are here.
 
Though it is believed every living thing possesses a soul, only human beings possess a rational and immortal soul. It seems likely that non-human creatures simply just die.

Also, you seem to be putting on physical constraints into a place that wouldn't operate in such a manner. "Overcrowding" wouldn't be an issue.

So all dogs don’t go to heaven.....
 

Sorcerer

Member
Aren't we beings of light?, We could bump into each other all day long in Heaven and we would pass right through each other. I imagine that means there is no such thing as conventional housing or a need for it. I guess its like a Garden of Eden that has no bounds, a paradise of sorts.

"In Heaven Everything is fine, you got your good things and I got mine".
(Peter Ivers, David Lynch)
 

Thurible

Member
So all dogs don’t go to heaven.....
According to catholicism, it's very likely the answer is no. However, we don't know 100% and it could be possible that a non human soul lives on in death. It's just unlikely that an animal the without the qualities of reason and free will would go to heaven. A dog or a cat can't really actively pursuit God or wish to seperate from Him. If they are to live on it certainly wouldn't be in the same state as a person.
 
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Fbh

Member
Well for one keep in mind that since we turn into small clouds we do take up less space:
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Caffeine

Gold Member
they dont they just rot in the sewers after you shit them out. The water from the sewers is probably used for soil somewhere a tree grows and some asshole will chop the tree down.Turn it into paper and print a bible on it to go sit at some church which is empty, they then throw the bible out when the church closes down due to people not showing up and it gets recycled into some kids note book for 3rd grade and this continues ever lasting in the recycle cycle.
 
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12Goblins

Lil’ Gobbie
heaven is not constrained by the same physical conditions as the material realm.

think of it like the Flatlander problem. a 2 dimensional being can't comprehend an object like a sphere. higher spiritual dimensions are like this to us lower dimensional creatures; incomprehensible.
So incomprehensible that we can comprehend it.
 

Northeastmonk

Gold Member
I was always told that if you do good things then you build your treasures in heaven. But what are treasures in heaven? A huge mansion? A dog? Your sex partner? Gold? What would we even get?

The only thing that sounds good about heaven is “not going to Hell”. What if you loved spiders and snakes your entire life? Can your treasures be a house of spiders or snakes? Wouldn’t that creep out the other people living in heaven? I find it all rather bogus when we compare earth to heaven. Will we know our family from earth if we are somehow reuinited? Where do we live? In one giant room worshiping some deity? That sounds boring as hell.

I’ve thought about the animal thing too. They say Noah’s ark didn’t exist. Yet he had 2 of each kind. It’s suppose to be a parable. Just like every other crazy story of the Bible. That’s what a theology teacher told me once. I guess it’s to make religious people feel less crazy.
 

eddie4

Genuinely Generous
Humans are afraid of dying so they make shit up to feel better about it. There's nothing after you die, you just go into the dirt.
 

haxan7

Banned
Humans are afraid of dying so they make shit up to feel better about it. There's nothing after you die, you just go into the dirt.
No living being has ever returned from a state of complete death so it’s impossible for anyone to make that determination.
 

eddie4

Genuinely Generous
No living being has ever returned from a state of complete death so it’s impossible for anyone to make that determination.
Neither has there been proof of heaven or hell so you can't make that determination either.
 

Azurro

Banned
The problem is not the amount of people that are in heaven. The problem is that the great majority of them would be Ned Flanders clones, can you imagine? I mean, most fun stuff is a sin, how fucking boring that would be, and it's for eternity. :p
 

Dacon

Banned
I imagine that if heaven exists, it does not exist in any capacity that we can reasonably understand.

Why should heaven follow any logic present in mortal realms? If it is truly a higher plane then surely it wouldn't be limited by our base understanding of the universe.
 

Armorian

Banned
Heaven is in higher dimensions. Just look at the size of known universe and see how much space there is for everyone. Now make that just one more dimensional and you end up wth a lot of free estate. But Heaven is coupled with the ability to change that space, otherwise it would be pointless.

Visible universe is limited by light speed and space expansion but whole universe is probably INFINITE, imagine this shit :messenger_open_mouth: We are talking about heaven, hell, and all different variations of this here, all of them created by "prophets" (probably mental illness) at some point in time but universe we live in is very much real.

 
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Airola

Member
I was always told that if you do good things then you build your treasures in heaven. But what are treasures in heaven? A huge mansion? A dog? Your sex partner? Gold? What would we even get?

The only thing that sounds good about heaven is “not going to Hell”. What if you loved spiders and snakes your entire life? Can your treasures be a house of spiders or snakes? Wouldn’t that creep out the other people living in heaven? I find it all rather bogus when we compare earth to heaven. Will we know our family from earth if we are somehow reuinited? Where do we live? In one giant room worshiping some deity? That sounds boring as hell.

Here on Earth you the physical things aren't the source of your happiness. The items themselves do nothing. It's the feelings you get that you like. You get good feelings from the ideas of the objects.
In Heaven the emotion is part of what you are.

Whatever you might think is boring in heaven isn't boring. Your state of mind isn't in the negative at all. Hell, on the other hand is constant negativity with no end to it. What you hate about yourself and others will be felt constantly without a pause. In heaven what you love about you and others is felt constantly without a pause. And if you would say it will end up being boring to be constantly happy, no it wouldn't as you would be incapable of feeling boredom. That simply wouldn't exist there.

I'd assume the treasures are the levels of bliss. Some might have less bliss than someone else, but all will feel bliss and no-one would be jealous of the bliss of others.

The idea of heaven without these forced negative attributes is easy to think of.
 

Airola

Member
Neither has there been proof of heaven or hell so you can't make that determination either.

People seem to have experiences of glimpses of Heaven and Hell.
A lot of people shrug it off as hallucinations though.

But it's not as if there aren't things in our lives that point out to the possibility of something like Heaven instead of complete nonexistence. It's not as if all of that has just come up from our imaginations. A lot of it comes from actual human experience. At the very least we know that when we are about to die many will absolutely have an experience of moving into a heaven-like place. It might be a hallucination or it might not, who knows. But the experience and sensation itself is real.

When I die, I'd like to have my final experience be like that. It's an odd thing that no-one can't explain by evolution. It's not as if there were so many near death experiences where having that sensation would've helped our survival. The fact still remains that even if there's nothing supernatural behind it, people have felt, are feeling, and will feel these sensations of being removed from the body, moving towards heaven-like place, feeling a sensation that feels like a warm embrace. It's either a hallucination or it is not, but it's 100% true those sensations exist. It's not purely a thing people just came up with out of nowhere.
 
We struggle with 7 billion as of now, so what about the billions upon possible trillions and something-illions throughout time in history? (I'm drunk. Too lazy to find out the next stage)

I'm not a lover of anacondas but me being pictured with one as well as a deer with each having bottles of Corona is highly unlikely.

But if that's how it works, then that's crazy.

Obviously the anaconda is taking the selfie as me and the deer have short arms. The anaconda naturally wanted to squeeze us all in together.

BUT. seriously though. Are there many versions of heaven?
Everyone needs a shiny statue to worship

And pedos need that tax free cash
 

Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
We struggle with 7 billion as of now, so what about the billions upon possible trillions and something-illions throughout time in history? (I'm drunk. Too lazy to find out the next stage)

I'm not a lover of anacondas but me being pictured with one as well as a deer with each having bottles of Corona is highly unlikely.

But if that's how it works, then that's crazy.

Obviously the anaconda is taking the selfie as me and the deer have short arms. The anaconda naturally wanted to squeeze us all in together.

BUT. seriously though. Are there many versions of heaven?
Most people are going to Hell.

Heaven is another plane and could be infinite.

Tbg there will probably be less people in Heaven after the End Times then there are people on Earth currently.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
According to catholicism, it's very likely the answer is no. However, we don't know 100% and it could be possible that a non human soul lives on in death. It's just unlikely that an animal the without the qualities of reason and free will would go to heaven. A dog or a cat can't really actively pursuit God or wish to seperate from Him. If they are to live on it certainly wouldn't be in the same state as a person.
Well that's not very nice of God.
 

haxan7

Banned
if nothing has ever returned, that's pretty damn objective.
I agree. If nothing that’s ever died completely has returned to the realm of the living, it’s impossible for the living to know what happens to the dead. Any attempt to know or understand is by its nature conjecture. This statement is a scientifically accurate truth.

it could be that the consciousness of every organism down to tiniest bacteria becomes a hundred foot tall smurf with an intellect comparable to a quantum computer combined with Albert Einstein who rules over a kingdom of lesbians from the planet Venus. there’s just no way of knowing.
 
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