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[Witchilich]

What the fuck did I just read

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[The_Mike]

As if Sony never reaised the prices of their consoles 5 years later, raised their subscription twice so far since the release of PS5, Switch 2 raising their prices of accessories 10 days before console release etc. This whole generation is GREED.

 

[PlayStaytion]

What the fuck did I just read

What I just wrote.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

The problem is they quit competing with high quality games. It's like that leaked email about the meeting where they said they cant' compete with TLOU.
They're not doing what needs to happen to compete with high end games, so they're trying to do mediocre games to keep a subscription base sated.
Phil has to go cause he convinced himself making AAA bangers "won't move the needle" cause they lost the "worst generation to lose".

That's loser mentality. Nintendo never let you keep your digital library and they were always fine, cause they would just keep making system seller games.
All they need is consistent system seller games, and even their leader is telling them to not even bother trying.

Nailed it. Grounded and sea of thieves were good games, imo.

 

[winjer]

Probably one of the best recent examples summarizing in as concise a way as possible how Xbox lost its way, starting with the late 360 era and beyond.

Spoiler

Because why not have one more Xbox thread on here?

FFS, I couldn't watch even 10 seconds of that, because of this voice.
Did someone hit him in the balls?

 

[Goalus]

I'd rather play Cyberpunk 2077 on an XB1 for 20 hours straight than listen to this clown for more than 20 seconds.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

My friend, even you have to admit that $799 for a Series X is some unmatched greed especially when a PS5 Pro is less expensive than it. A moment where MS should have got more aggressive in pricing to compete they chose to be more expensive than the competition. Not even AMD is that greedy/stupid. Same with $80 games or $30 per month for gamepass. If you watch the vid thats the price of 5 AAA games at full price in a year. Who would rent a MS picked list of games instead of buying and owning 5 full price $70 games they pick themselves every year? or even more if they buy games on sale.

I don't know if it's 100% greed though (Some of it is). I think Xbox just no longer has any wiggle room. Over the last 5 years they have spent crazy money on acquisitions and Game Pass, now papa MS wants what they were sold on by the Xbox division.

 

[ZeMMiK]

Because...America.,... an American company with shareholders = ......

 

[damidu]

its beating a fossil horse at this point i guess,
but no lies detected, I'd probably put stupidity above greed.

these idiots really believed that there can be a "netflix of gaming" with 100s of millions subscribers and bet the whole division on that pipedream.

everything else, (shopping spree to keep up content slop -> eye of ms bookkeeping sauron -> missing targets (because duh its not sustainable) -> going full 3rd party to make up -> collapsing hw sales because of that -> which suprise-suprise craters gamepass subs, because they were mostly console players)
were just panic pivots that sealed the death spiral.

once a.i bubble bursts ms will have zero tolerance for this much incompetency. they are already getting hammered, while mothership was breaking records.

i expect within 5 years they'll leave hw completely after their $2k pc-console hybrid sells hundred units each month,
close most of the studios they gobbled up, because they keep vomitting mediocre flops
and be reduced to being activision cod factory.

at least spencer n co. can ride this shipwreck until retirement i guess.

 

[Sooner]

Businesses are SUPPOSED to be greedy. If the CEO of it isn't, then he's not a good CEO.

Xbox failed because they failed for bad business practices and not having a product people wanted enough to justify those business practices.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Because...America.,... an American company with shareholders = ......

Valve is american. I think you meant publicly traded companies.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

SonyToo! NintendoToo!

Both of those companies are also greedy. Imagine shilling for a brand and thinking they aren't all greedy. Something about young girl anime pfps...

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Nailed it. Grounded and sea of thieves were good games, imo.

Those needed to be side bitch games. Like Returnal or ratchet. Inbetween actual system seller bangers. Not the main show.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Those needed to be side bitch games. Like Returnal or ratchet. Inbetween actual system seller bangers. Not the main show.

I agree.

 

[Horseganador]

It's worth studying how executives with money and almost unlimited investment have screwed up Xbox so badly and still remain in their positions.

 

[Gaelyon]

They're all greedy. Some are incompetent as well.

 

[KenaiPhoenix]

It was not greed, it was the corpos suits smelling money.

Xbox and the 360 where powered by people that cares and likes game. Now we have people that are only here because it was easier to get the bonus and make money. Yes they will talk about how Games changes lives and they will take pictures with towers of games they never played

But they don't care, they never did

That's why they just transform Halo into a trend chaser "hey, we also have something like CoD! Just do what they did", or the awful XOne "This new console will let you play all your media, TV shows and more! Games? O yeah… that too", or the super GamePass "it is Netflix, but for games. Just put more slop in it. It is quantity not quality"

Games are not your average product, they not only can be easily skipped if they are bad (we don't need them to live) we also can just play older version of games. But they cant comprehend this, because they dont play games, they dont understand that you can just dust off your OG Xbox or your 360 and play better version of their slop.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

My friend, even you have to admit that $799 for a Series X is some unmatched greed especially when a PS5 Pro is less expensive than it. A moment where MS should have got more aggressive in pricing to compete they chose to be more expensive than the competition. Not even AMD is that greedy/stupid. Same with $80 games or $30 per month for gamepass. If you watch the vid thats the price of 5 AAA games at full price in a year. Who would rent a MS picked list of games instead of buying and owning 5 full price $70 games they pick themselves every year? or even more if they buy games on sale.

So because their price hike overall is a larger sum, we just gonna ignore Sony did the same exact thing? I have both PS5 and XsX, last I remember is I bout my xbox for normal price, havent followed up what they are now new. But my point is, its not just Microsoft, they all are tripple dipping this generation, Nintendo getting into the $90 territory lol. SONY's subscription got so out of hand I just opted out after years of paying since PS3. MS gamepass made sense for $14, now it doesnt make sense. They are ALL guilty of this, lets not single out MS as some bad guy when the other two are equally bad.

 

[ReBurn]

My friend, even you have to admit that $799 for a Series X is some unmatched greed especially when a PS5 Pro is less expensive than it. A moment where MS should have got more aggressive in pricing to compete they chose to be more expensive than the competition. Not even AMD is that greedy/stupid. Same with $80 games or $30 per month for gamepass. If you watch the vid thats the price of 5 AAA games at full price in a year. Who would rent a MS picked list of games instead of buying and owning 5 full price $70 games they pick themselves every year? or even more if they buy games on sale.

Microsoft knows that they aren't selling many Series X consoles at $800. But they also weren't selling many at $500, so the bean counters probably decided to stop subsidizing it. I agree that they could have been aggressive at pricing if they wanted to sell more consoles, but it's clear that they would rather sell games on PS5 for a profit than sell consoles at a loss. So I don't think their console pricing is greed. It's more likely a condition of higher component prices because they aren't able to get volume discounts and the fact that they are multi-platform now.

 

[PeteBull]

It wasnt greed that destroyed xbox, its incopetence.

 

[RickMasters]

A PlaySation.

We just wanted them to support their devs and keep the games exclusive. but hey, as long as magnus lets me play my steam games aswell as my xbox ones, Im good. Im only missing out if I dont buy a switch 2. besides...symetrical analog sticks layouts are terrible.

 

[RickMasters]

It wasnt greed that destroyed xbox, its incopetence.

Id say a mixture of both.

 

[Zimmy68]

I couldn't believe it when I saw a front page Slickdeal, Xbox Series X for over $600 with a $100 gift card, what the actual F?
Nothing says giving up more like an unrealistic price hike.

 

[PeteBull]

Id say a mixture of both.

Most of humans are greedy, our greed is what is pushing us to be better/more succesful/productable etc, its our motivation, u think all those top class surgeons/actors/politicans/ceos struggle for long years and often decades just for the hell of it- they do it coz they are greedy for money/success/status/bitches etc.

Take away greed from humans and our tech progress stops right away, hell we will actually regress coz there wont be motivation to strive for greatness anymore

 

[RickMasters]

100%. I couldn't believe their mentality on TLOU. They had made Gears and Halo so it's not like the concept of a killer app was foreign to them at all. All they had to do was find/create the next IP that was on that level but they just folded.

Imagine how different things could've been if they had just invested 0.5B in 2-3 system sellers early on (2014-15). If they had games to counter UC4, Horizon, and GOW maybe Sony doesn't gain such a massive hardware advantage and so MS doesn't buy Activision nor Bethesda. MS maybe could've saved themselves 75B had they spent more money early enough.

possibly down to change in management? when halo and gears were at their peak in the X360 era they had people like jay allard and peter moore running things. once the likes of mattrick, and spencer and now sarah bond started running things it became a shit show over time. by the time the Xb1 launched ...well we all know how that went....


I cant help but wonder how different things could have been for xbox had they just released it without kinect and instead spent that money on ensuring they had the more powerful console at launch and some strong exclusives, push for digital and BC all the same but without all the DRM language..... they would have been so much better off. all those aquisitions, they made would have been a steady stream of exclusives and now they have given that advantage away. Its been a bit like watching your fave football team buy a bunch of elite players but score own goals. they have all the tools and resources and talent in those studios, to be industry leader but lack the leadership to execute the concepts properly.