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How Greed Destroyed Xbox
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
PlayStaytion
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What I just wrote.
Deficit
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Nailed it. Grounded and sea of thieves were good games, imo.
winjer
Gold Member
FFS, I couldn't watch even 10 seconds of that, because of this voice.
Did someone hit him in the balls?
FalsettoVibe
Member
I don't know if it's 100% greed though (Some of it is). I think Xbox just no longer has any wiggle room. Over the last 5 years they have spent crazy money on acquisitions and Game Pass, now papa MS wants what they were sold on by the Xbox division.
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its beating a fossil horse at this point i guess,
but no lies detected, I'd probably put stupidity above greed.
these idiots really believed that there can be a "netflix of gaming" with 100s of millions subscribers and bet the whole division on that pipedream.
everything else, (shopping spree to keep up content slop -> eye of ms bookkeeping sauron -> missing targets (because duh its not sustainable) -> going full 3rd party to make up -> collapsing hw sales because of that -> which suprise-suprise craters gamepass subs, because they were mostly console players)
were just panic pivots that sealed the death spiral.
once a.i bubble bursts ms will have zero tolerance for this much incompetency. they are already getting hammered, while mothership was breaking records.
i expect within 5 years they'll leave hw completely after their $2k pc-console hybrid sells hundred units each month,
close most of the studios they gobbled up, because they keep vomitting mediocre flops
and be reduced to being activision cod factory.
at least spencer n co. can ride this shipwreck until retirement i guess.
but no lies detected, I'd probably put stupidity above greed.
these idiots really believed that there can be a "netflix of gaming" with 100s of millions subscribers and bet the whole division on that pipedream.
everything else, (shopping spree to keep up content slop -> eye of ms bookkeeping sauron -> missing targets (because duh its not sustainable) -> going full 3rd party to make up -> collapsing hw sales because of that -> which suprise-suprise craters gamepass subs, because they were mostly console players)
were just panic pivots that sealed the death spiral.
once a.i bubble bursts ms will have zero tolerance for this much incompetency. they are already getting hammered, while mothership was breaking records.
i expect within 5 years they'll leave hw completely after their $2k pc-console hybrid sells hundred units each month,
close most of the studios they gobbled up, because they keep vomitting mediocre flops
and be reduced to being activision cod factory.
at least spencer n co. can ride this shipwreck until retirement i guess.
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Deficit
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Valve is american. I think you meant publicly traded companies.Because...America.,... an American company with shareholders = ......
Deficit
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Both of those companies are also greedy. Imagine shilling for a brand and thinking they aren't all greedy. Something about young girl anime pfps...
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Gamer_By_Proxy
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Those needed to be side bitch games. Like Returnal or ratchet. Inbetween actual system seller bangers. Not the main show.
Deficit
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I agree.
Horseganador
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It's worth studying how executives with money and almost unlimited investment have screwed up Xbox so badly and still remain in their positions.
KenaiPhoenix
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It was not greed, it was the corpos suits smelling money.
Xbox and the 360 where powered by people that cares and likes game. Now we have people that are only here because it was easier to get the bonus and make money. Yes they will talk about how Games changes lives and they will take pictures with towers of games they never played
But they don't care, they never did
That's why they just transform Halo into a trend chaser "hey, we also have something like CoD! Just do what they did", or the awful XOne "This new console will let you play all your media, TV shows and more! Games? O yeah… that too", or the super GamePass "it is Netflix, but for games. Just put more slop in it. It is quantity not quality"
Games are not your average product, they not only can be easily skipped if they are bad (we don't need them to live) we also can just play older version of games. But they cant comprehend this, because they dont play games, they dont understand that you can just dust off your OG Xbox or your 360 and play better version of their slop.
Xbox and the 360 where powered by people that cares and likes game. Now we have people that are only here because it was easier to get the bonus and make money. Yes they will talk about how Games changes lives and they will take pictures with towers of games they never played
But they don't care, they never did
That's why they just transform Halo into a trend chaser "hey, we also have something like CoD! Just do what they did", or the awful XOne "This new console will let you play all your media, TV shows and more! Games? O yeah… that too", or the super GamePass "it is Netflix, but for games. Just put more slop in it. It is quantity not quality"
Games are not your average product, they not only can be easily skipped if they are bad (we don't need them to live) we also can just play older version of games. But they cant comprehend this, because they dont play games, they dont understand that you can just dust off your OG Xbox or your 360 and play better version of their slop.
AeonGaidenRaiden
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So because their price hike overall is a larger sum, we just gonna ignore Sony did the same exact thing? I have both PS5 and XsX, last I remember is I bout my xbox for normal price, havent followed up what they are now new. But my point is, its not just Microsoft, they all are tripple dipping this generation, Nintendo getting into the $90 territory lol. SONY's subscription got so out of hand I just opted out after years of paying since PS3. MS gamepass made sense for $14, now it doesnt make sense. They are ALL guilty of this, lets not single out MS as some bad guy when the other two are equally bad.
ReBurn
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Microsoft knows that they aren't selling many Series X consoles at $800. But they also weren't selling many at $500, so the bean counters probably decided to stop subsidizing it. I agree that they could have been aggressive at pricing if they wanted to sell more consoles, but it's clear that they would rather sell games on PS5 for a profit than sell consoles at a loss. So I don't think their console pricing is greed. It's more likely a condition of higher component prices because they aren't able to get volume discounts and the fact that they are multi-platform now.
RickMasters
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We just wanted them to support their devs and keep the games exclusive. but hey, as long as magnus lets me play my steam games aswell as my xbox ones, Im good. Im only missing out if I dont buy a switch 2. besides...symetrical analog sticks layouts are terrible.
RickMasters
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Id say a mixture of both.
It wasnt greed that destroyed xbox, its incopetence.
PeteBull
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Most of humans are greedy, our greed is what is pushing us to be better/more succesful/productable etc, its our motivation, u think all those top class surgeons/actors/politicans/ceos struggle for long years and often decades just for the hell of it- they do it coz they are greedy for money/success/status/bitches etc.
Take away greed from humans and our tech progress stops right away, hell we will actually regress coz there wont be motivation to strive for greatness anymore
RickMasters
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possibly down to change in management? when halo and gears were at their peak in the X360 era they had people like jay allard and peter moore running things. once the likes of mattrick, and spencer and now sarah bond started running things it became a shit show over time. by the time the Xb1 launched ...well we all know how that went....
I cant help but wonder how different things could have been for xbox had they just released it without kinect and instead spent that money on ensuring they had the more powerful console at launch and some strong exclusives, push for digital and BC all the same but without all the DRM language..... they would have been so much better off. all those aquisitions, they made would have been a steady stream of exclusives and now they have given that advantage away. Its been a bit like watching your fave football team buy a bunch of elite players but score own goals. they have all the tools and resources and talent in those studios, to be industry leader but lack the leadership to execute the concepts properly.
Lord Malachite
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EverydayBeast
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We'll see what Xbox looks like a year from now, I think its tweaks than an overhaul, right now we're in the price hike chapter plus their exclusives (gears 5, infinite, Forza reboot) stink.
cireza
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So when Sony make a good console that is powerful, affordable, and easy to develop for such as the PS1, it's because Sony are awesome and have a ton of merit.
But when Microsoft release a console that is powerful, affordable, easy to develop for with a 1 year head-start on top of it (which is remarkable), it's is only luck.
PauloRoberto
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If you remember all the problems related to three red lights, the fact that we had version a x360 version with non harddrive, all the kinect push and the commercial result of every other xbox interation (and in fact, every other customer device by Microsoft if we apply a loose comparison), unfortunately, luck is not a bad word to describe x360 initial success.
Deficit
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He says while earning trophies, talking in party chat, with his friends, and holding a round and wide controller. The 360 "core" was a budget model. Similar to Sony's B01 model. With no wifi and a 20gb HDD. The PS3 also had the YLOD. The RROD was not exclusive to Xbox. And effected all eletronics of that era. It's called bumpgate.
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PauloRoberto
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Only MS Zealots compare YLOD and RROD. The first one affected only a minimal fraction of PS3 if you compare with RROD (i remember i read that 20% of xboxes 360 were affected by RROS on the worst case scenario vs 0.5% or 1% of PS3s... [i'm not defending YLOD, but the comparison is wrong]). And dividing your audience with a version that cannot play games that requie HD is... I'm sorry to say, stupid. You just confirmed me that LUCK was the word to synthesize xbox 360 (and even that was thrown by MS after kinect...)
cireza
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The launch product, its qualities, its games etc... were not the fruit of luck. RROD was definitely a mistake. Kinect is a shift that occurred later. At that point, the 360 success was already achieved and it was not due to luck, but due to a great vision, product and partnerships starting from the launch.
PauloRoberto
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Let's agree to disagree... because MS wasn't able to reproduce NONE of those qualities after xbox 360 (and even before that). Hence... luck
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Zacfoldor
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I disagree.
These things you are saying don't affect me at all.
Xbox raising the price of the top tier to 30 bucks, locking day 1 games behind that, lying about having console exclusives for XSX before I bought one at launch, Xbox not being able to sell the console or having issues with keeping stock making me feel like a sucker for buying myself and my brother an XSX....these are the things that have affected me.
Nintendo raised the price? News to me. Sony raised the price? News to me. I bought them both day 1 and paid msrp. Xbox bait and switched me on XSX so who is the greedy one now?
I don't think any of them are greedy btw. I think Xbox is just inept and the other two aren't as inept. That could change but Xbox burned me this gen and many others so they are on the outs for at least 1 gen.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Alternative headline: How gamers conditioned to believe in the console wars misunderstood the purpose of Xbox.
Zacfoldor
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Or
Microsoft Themselves Don't Even Understand the Purpose of Xbox(so we can forgive the gamers they conditioned).
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ShadyAcshuns
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They remind me of a spoiled kid who's parents are rich and give their kid everything, but the kid has such a terrible attitude and behavior that they fail despite having the best of the best.
Bondo
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Im on board with the "luck" statements. Cause they sure as hell capitalized on that window of time Sony shot themselves.
Ultimately, they still ended up losing to PS3 by the time it was all said and done. Couldn't even seal the deal really and that was really the only opportunity they had and it was never replicated.
360 was my main console until PS3 came out. By then RROD was already a massive issue and i was on my second console and tons of free consolation prize games sent to me directly from them along with a new Hard Drive.
They didnt invest in games, they mostly rehashed the same series with some goodies in between. Now they are trying to convince us First party exclusives dont matter? lol
Without Microsofts backing and constant powerlevling- im not even sure the first Xbox makes it.
Ultimately, they still ended up losing to PS3 by the time it was all said and done. Couldn't even seal the deal really and that was really the only opportunity they had and it was never replicated.
360 was my main console until PS3 came out. By then RROD was already a massive issue and i was on my second console and tons of free consolation prize games sent to me directly from them along with a new Hard Drive.
They didnt invest in games, they mostly rehashed the same series with some goodies in between. Now they are trying to convince us First party exclusives dont matter? lol
Without Microsofts backing and constant powerlevling- im not even sure the first Xbox makes it.
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AeonGaidenRaiden
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Unless you live under a rock, PS5 raised their prices TWICE on subscription and in August on the console itself :
PS5 Prices Go Up Today. Here's How Much and Why
You can expect to pay more for a new PlayStation, thanks to "a challenging economic environment."
www.cnet.com
Sony Defends PS Plus Price Rises - IGN
In a new interview, PlayStation’s top business executive defended the decision, insisting the company had to “adjust” to market conditions.
Sony Isn't Ruling Out Another PS Plus Price Increase
The last worldwide price increase for PlayStation Plus was only back in 2023, but Sony now says that further increases to the service are possible.
gamerant.com
"In September 2023, Sony increased 12-month PlayStation Plus subscription prices by as much as 35% in some regions, with the Premium tier increasing from $119 / £99 per year to $159 / £119."
And Nintendo even before the Switch 2 released:
mayham2199
Member
Unless you live under a rock, PS5 raised their prices TWICE on subscription and in August on the console itself :
PS5 Prices Go Up Today. Here's How Much and Why
You can expect to pay more for a new PlayStation, thanks to "a challenging economic environment."
Sony Defends PS Plus Price Rises - IGN
In a new interview, PlayStation’s top business executive defended the decision, insisting the company had to “adjust” to market conditions.www.ign.com
Sony Isn't Ruling Out Another PS Plus Price Increase
The last worldwide price increase for PlayStation Plus was only back in 2023, but Sony now says that further increases to the service are possible.
"In September 2023, Sony increased 12-month PlayStation Plus subscription prices by as much as 35% in some regions, with the Premium tier increasing from $119 / £99 per year to $159 / £119."
And Nintendo even before the Switch 2 released:
Yep these companies trying to bleed us like a stone. Not a huge deal for me because honestly $159 a year isn't anything I even think about. My other hobby cost me that much a month. I calculated once and I've spent over $20,000 on that hobby now. I have been doing it for close to 10 years now though.
I've been fine having essential for most of the year and then switching to extra near the end and knocking out a few games on PS+extra.
Magic-DEI-Hire
Member
Yet PlayStation Plus' most expensive tier ($159) costs less than half of an equivalent year of Game Pass Ultimate ($360).…Unless you live under a rock, PS5 raised their prices TWICE on subscription and in August on the console itself :
PS5 Prices Go Up Today. Here's How Much and Why
You can expect to pay more for a new PlayStation, thanks to "a challenging economic environment."
Sony Defends PS Plus Price Rises - IGN
In a new interview, PlayStation’s top business executive defended the decision, insisting the company had to “adjust” to market conditions.
Sony Isn't Ruling Out Another PS Plus Price Increase
The last worldwide price increase for PlayStation Plus was only back in 2023, but Sony now says that further increases to the service are possible.
"In September 2023, Sony increased 12-month PlayStation Plus subscription prices by as much as 35% in some regions, with the Premium tier increasing from $119 / £99 per year to $159 / £119."
And Nintendo even before the Switch 2 released:
Nintendo's most expensive option is $50 a year.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
cireza
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This is some of the dumbest logic I have ever seen.Let's agree to disagree... because MS wasn't able to reproduce NONE of those qualities after xbox 360 (and even before that). Hence... luck
Because the situation was not reproduced later by some other leadership doesn't mean that it was luck for the OG and 360...
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PauloRoberto
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Ill ignore you because you just proved you are exctremely dumb, sorry... "a great vision, product and partnerships starting from the launch." (your words, btw) is exactly what Sony did at least 2 or 3 times (PS1, PS2 and [loosely speaking] PS4)!
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Futurist company is unable to foresee and understand why they SUCK BIG STINKY ASS as a consumer-facing company
Justin9mm
Member
100% agree, but I think Phil probably knows deep down they can't do it.. Might be loser mentality, but maybe they really are just not capable like PS. I think the problem with Xbox is the management of the business.. They are just not good, I think there is some deep rooted problems at senior level.
cireza
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Paulo Roberto, I suspect you have some comprehension issues. At which moment exactly did I say that Sony did not have any of this for their own consoles ?
Disco Dave
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