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How much longer will the "CB" be the mainstream music format?
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Fresh Prince
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I think it already has- alot of people buy generic usb mp3 players. The people I know of who do buy cd players to play their legit cds also get one that can play mp3.
JoshuaJSlone
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When the truckers surrender, something will surpass it.
I can't believe I typed "CB." Meh.DopeyFish said:down with cb radio!
I'm hoping that the SACD or DVD-A formats replace it, but that doesn't seem to be happening... not even remotely. If the MP3 player replaces it, that can't be a good thing, because it's a very low-quality format by nature... but then again, it's not like most of the music out there demands very high fidelity. Standards have fallen. For now, the CD should remain dominant...
Regardless of whether or not its good, a lot of pop music is fucked over by dynamic compression on cds.sonarrat said:I'm hoping that the SACD format replaces it, but that doesn't seem to be happening... not even remotely. If the MP3 player replaces it, that can't be a good thing, because it's a very low-quality format by nature... but then again, it's not like most of the music out there demands very high fidelity...
Something will come along sooner or later. You just have to create the need first. When ppl feel the need for more songs/disc and maybe (not likely) even higher quality on their songs it will come. I'm thinking the generation after Blu-ray/HD-DVD will have implemented support for a new music format.
Hitokage said:Regardless of whether or not its good, a lot of pop music is fucked over by dynamic compression on cds.
There are ways to make CDs sound absolutely fantastic. The best classical CDs out there are so lifelike that it's hard to believe they're CDs... (a great, cheap example is Konstantin Scherbakov playing the Shostakovich Preludes and Fugues, 2 CDs for 10 bucks on Amazon). So if a pop artist is getting fucked over - and voices are much easier to record than a piano - then it's because of an incompetent studio engineer more than the format.
Winged Creature
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What i find with newer music is its being mixed so loudly, there is no dynamics to it, everything sounds the same, u cant feel the kick in the drums or anything its just feels like ur listening to a one speaker stereo that they sell at the discount stores. I find that is one of the biggest problems of cd's that are released today. Back in the early to mid 90s the cd's that were sold werent too loud like the cd's of today or to soft like the cd's of the 80s, they had the right volume levels and dynamics. People blame the overly loud mixing on the sound engineers when its really not there fault. Its the record execs who think louder is better quality. So until they think otherwise or people actually go out and buy good stereos, were stuck with badly mixed music.
With regard to CD sound quality, I've read articles that state consumers were pretty much fucked over with that format. Vinyl still sounds much fuller and richer, expressing a greater range of sound frequency. Those HD CDs are much improved, but few players read them to potential.
Fresh Prince
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I guess artsists have to make sure record labels don't make their records 'hot'.
Winged Creature
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Ive always preferred a nicely mastered cd over vinyl, sure vinyl has warmth and better bass, but cd had much better clarity IMO. I hated the hiss the cracks and pops (yes they happen even with a good needle)
I really hope SACD or DVD-A take over, they sound great
I really hope SACD or DVD-A take over, they sound great
Reminds me of Patlabor 3 (anime movie) where a monster attacked places with sources of sound under 20.000hz, one of the places was a disco with a DJ using vinyl records, making the monster appear outside and eat a couple in a car. Point being, monsters like quality.Ill Saint said:With regard to CD sound quality, I've read articles that state consumers were pretty much fucked over with that format. Vinyl still sounds much fuller and richer, expressing a greater range of sound frequency. Those HD CDs are much improved, but few players read them to potential.
Hehe, true about the hiss and pops, but a nice clean of the record does help. But that's all part of the character (to me anyway).Winged Creature said:Ive always preferred a nicely mastered cd over vinyl, sure vinyl has warmth and better bass, but cd had much better clarity IMO. I hated the hiss the cracks and pops (yes they happen even with a good needle)
JoshuaJSlone
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Thing is, though, if "MP3" won I'd take that to mean digital music in general. In which case it would be much easier to support niche ultra high quality formats than to have to press and find a market for higher quality discs.sonarrat said:I'm hoping that the SACD or DVD-A formats replace it, but that doesn't seem to be happening... not even remotely. If the MP3 player replaces it, that can't be a good thing, because it's a very low-quality format by nature... but then again, it's not like most of the music out there demands very high fidelity. Standards have fallen. For now, the CD should remain dominant...
Winged Creature
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I just say down with badly/overly loudly mixed music!! If u look at some hybrid SACD's the cd layer is much louder then the SACD layer, it shows that its not the engineers who are not at fault, since they try to preserve the audiophile sound on the SACD layer and conform to the record execs on the CD layer.
Sorry, my wording was vague. I meant that even on an "uncompressed" CD you can get music that's been fucked over, not just with lossy compression as is par for the course on the internet.sonarrat said:There are ways to make CDs sound absolutely fantastic. The best classical CDs out there are so lifelike that it's hard to believe they're CDs... (a great, cheap example is Konstantin Scherbakov playing the Shostakovich Preludes and Fugues, 2 CDs for 10 bucks on Amazon). So if a pop artist is getting fucked over - and voices are much easier to record than a piano - then it's because of an incompetent studio engineer more than the format.
Ill Saint said:With regard to CD sound quality, I've read articles that state consumers were pretty much fucked over with that format. Vinyl still sounds much fuller and richer, expressing a greater range of sound frequency. Those HD CDs are much improved, but few players read them to potential.
Bullshit. A CD's dynamic range stops all over vinyl. The problem is that pop producers compress that dynamic range to make it sound louder on the radio.. basically it's an epidemic of incompetent studio producers who think nothing of clipping the hell out of their music to make it seem louder.
I remember seeing an analysis of like 5 CDs from 1980 to 2002 that illustrates this trend. I don't remember where I saw it though.
Nathan
Hitokage said:Sorry, my wording was vague. I meant that even on an "uncompressed" CD you can get music that's been fucked over, not just with lossy compression as is par for the course on the internet.
Of course. There are horrible-sounding vinyls, tapes, and for that matter, SACD's and DVD-A's too. Again, that's not inherent to the format. There certainly are a lot of really badly recorded CD's... pianists in rock bands get especially fucked over as nobody seems to know how to mic them effectively.
I'm not a sound engineer, nor do I listen to pop music tailored for play on radio, but I do talk to an awful lot of musicians, producers and label bosses (in various healthy music scenes), and the vast majority swear by vinyl everytime when it comes to sound. But I'm not gonna argue about it. As long as I get to hear the music, I'm happy.gblues said:Bullshit. A CD's dynamic range stops all over vinyl. The problem is that pop producers compress that dynamic range to make it sound louder on the radio.. basically it's an epidemic of incompetent studio producers who think nothing of clipping the hell out of their music to make it seem louder.
I remember seeing an analysis of like 5 CDs from 1980 to 2002 that illustrates this trend. I don't remember where I saw it though.
Nathan
analog is ok until we can implement and standardize a more perfect information preserving mechanism in the digital domain. imo SACD isn't good enough, but the industry isn't heading toward SACD either (the hottest media players right now are unformatted storage, which is very hot). there's a lot of recording hardware out there that needs to be migrated away from first though.
the major difference between analog mechanisms and digital mechanisms is that loosened tolerances tend to make digital reproduction more repeatable (which is very important, no matter what audiophile types think), whereas analog will always have the more straightforward signal path.
the major difference between analog mechanisms and digital mechanisms is that loosened tolerances tend to make digital reproduction more repeatable (which is very important, no matter what audiophile types think), whereas analog will always have the more straightforward signal path.
CB :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol hehe.. heh.. CB :lol :lol :lol eheh.. eheh.. heh. *tear wipe* Anyway, I'm not sure CD's will ever be surpassed. And aren't they the best quality for music? I don't think people would want to take a step down in that, regarding mp3's. And dvd's.. would they be that big of a jump?
No. But now I see your responses about how much improved they are. Have you ever seen them advertised though? I don't think without a serious push from the industry they'll ever really break mainstream. I remember dvd's being pushed like crazy back in the day with movies having previews and "better sound better picture" being uttered over and over again. I'm not sure where you'd begin to get the attention with music lovers.
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