And 10 years from now they will have rebuilt shit in the same vulnerable areas on the federal buck. Another hurricane comes though and the cycle continues. Why do we continue to build in flood planes and hurricane alleys? We should reclaim the areas near the coasts as wetlands.
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Hurricane Katrina Thread: Any LA Gaffers?
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Fragamemnon
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We should invent cold fusion and fat-free bacon while we are at it. The city's population and structure, along with the levee system which protects the city, are the reasons why the erosion and wetland destruction were happening so rapidly.
Ninja Scooter
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Drensch said:
because if we don't rebuild, then the hurricanes have won.
Drensch said:
Oh come on. If it's not hurricanes it's tornados. If it's not tornados it's massive snow and ice storms. If it's not ice storms and blizzards its earthquakes. If it's not earthquakes its volcanos. Pretty much EVERYWHERE is under threat of some kind of natural disaster. The problem is when people aren't prepared to deal with these disasters when they hit.
ConfusingJazz
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Drensch said:
Cause of French people in the 18th century, and we will rebuild it because of the stunning history of it. Will it be what it was before, who knows, but it should be rebuilt.
I'm sorry .. but if any older structures are under water for more than a few weeks .. it basically becomes unsalvagable due to mold and corrosion. Homes and businesses weren't built to withstand it. The cost to repair is almost worse than the cost of rebuilding. It will be interesting to see what they do.
It's not like NO is some sort of arid desert where it can "dry" out .. its swamp land surrounded by water. Not exactly the most conducive area for "drying out".
What has happened really is unimaginable .. and really, as sensational as the New Orleans plight is ... Gulfport and Biloxi (and surrounding areas) were hit even harder.
I'd like to throw my hat into the ring in rebuilding New Orleans. My resume includes a list of impressive scores on SimCity 3000 and Civilizations 1 AND 2.
It's not like NO is some sort of arid desert where it can "dry" out .. its swamp land surrounded by water. Not exactly the most conducive area for "drying out".
What has happened really is unimaginable .. and really, as sensational as the New Orleans plight is ... Gulfport and Biloxi (and surrounding areas) were hit even harder.
I'd like to throw my hat into the ring in rebuilding New Orleans. My resume includes a list of impressive scores on SimCity 3000 and Civilizations 1 AND 2.
NAVY SHIPS AND MARITIME RESCUE TEAMS SENT TO REGION
Tue Aug 30 2005 21:33:11 ET
The Pentagon late Tuesday ordered five Navy ships and eight maritime rescue teams to the Gulf Coast to bolster relief operations as worsening conditions overwhelmed the initial response.
The NEW YORK TIMES plans to report later tonight: One Navy amphibious assault ship, the Bataan, with six Sea Stallion and Sea Hawk helicopters that could be used for search and rescue missions.
The ships will carry food, fuel, medical and construction supplies, as well as hovercraft that can be used for evacuation and search-and-rescue missions.
The Navy was also considering sending the hospital ship Comfort.
Developing...
Tue Aug 30 2005 21:33:11 ET
The Pentagon late Tuesday ordered five Navy ships and eight maritime rescue teams to the Gulf Coast to bolster relief operations as worsening conditions overwhelmed the initial response.
The NEW YORK TIMES plans to report later tonight: One Navy amphibious assault ship, the Bataan, with six Sea Stallion and Sea Hawk helicopters that could be used for search and rescue missions.
The ships will carry food, fuel, medical and construction supplies, as well as hovercraft that can be used for evacuation and search-and-rescue missions.
The Navy was also considering sending the hospital ship Comfort.
Developing...
ToxicAdam said:
exactly, I have been saying this all day. The mold is going to make most structures useless, if anything, more dangerous because of air-born germs. Sorry to say, but most of the city is going to have to demolished and rebuilt. Years would be a positive estimate at best, then at that its going to be longer or ever for the rest.
That's a massive exaggeration. Snow/Ice, Volcanos and earthquakes, and tornados are not even close to the kinds of damage and predicability that hurricanes are.
Hurricanes do not affect high lying areas in-land. Hurricanes are easy to spot and predict. Hurricanes cause more damage than the other disasters combined. That's why we need to stop putting stuff in their paths.
Could there be a earthquake that would cause this sort of damage? Sure. But the likleyhood and ease of prediction of the event are nil. Not so with a hurricane.
Tornados cause damage, but tornados are predictable, and are small. And damage from them is easy enough to prevent and fix compared to hurricanes.
Snow and ice doesn't even come close. Snow and ice really only happens in a few areas of the country and the damage is more or less an incovenience.
Volcanos? C'mon.
Flood plains and low lying coastal areas are bad places to build and rebuild. Why? Because the shit that happens there happens there for a reason and will continue to happen there. I live in Ohio. There are bad aspects to living here, but a hurricane, isn't one of them. Flooding won't occur on a devasting scale in non-flooding areas.
This stuff can be mitigated. Rebuilding in the same areas that get struck over and over again isn't the way to do it. Let alone rebuilding done by huckster contractors cost cutting looking to get a cut of the fat cash influx that will soon be coming from the government, charity, and private insurance. The cycle is endless.
You can obviously have some stuff there, ports, resorts-smaller. But this constant disaster, rebuild, disaster, rebuild shit is stupid. Ports can be rebuilt pretty quickly and can weather storms. Whole coastal cities can't.
Katrina has been on the fucking news for a week and a half. I don't know how much more time people need.
Katrina has been on the fucking news for a week and a half. I don't know how much more time people need.
Phoenix
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Drensch said:
Uh false, unless you consider Atlanta to be a low lying coastal area. Atlanta takes damage from hurricanes ALL THE TIME. Hell we had tornados do 10s of millions of dollars earlier this year and we took indirect hits this time that resulted in damage. Hurricanes are BY NATURE unpredictable and can hit just about anywhere in the United States.
In addition, the tracks of hurricanes have been changing over time. In the past, hurricanes used to ride straight up the east coast and rarely come into the gulf. Now they come more into the gulf a LOT more and rarely ride the coast.
Really? You should apply for the national weather service. They need your kind of talent.
And to everyone that's saying that New Orleans shouldn't have been built there, ask youself: Where would the United States be today if we never had a major city at the bottom of the Mississippi river?
cloudwalking
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I moved to Grand Forks, ND, just years after the huge Red River flood of 1997. http://www.geo.mtu.edu/department/classes/ge404/mlbroder/during.html
Being in a city like that after it being flooded to the extent it was was really eerie. A lot of the houses that had been flooded were still standing, empty, just ready to be demolished. Spray painted with messages like "God save our home." You could see the yellowed water line on the houses where it had reached just under the roofs.
Pretty much everything that was touched by water had to be demolished. Near the river, where there used to be neighbourhoods, in some places there is still nothing.
We got lucky with my house. The basement got flooded up to the very top stair. Everything had to be torn out of it, just as if it was an unfinished basement.
The water in NO is definitely doing more damage than the wind could ever do.
Being in a city like that after it being flooded to the extent it was was really eerie. A lot of the houses that had been flooded were still standing, empty, just ready to be demolished. Spray painted with messages like "God save our home." You could see the yellowed water line on the houses where it had reached just under the roofs.
Pretty much everything that was touched by water had to be demolished. Near the river, where there used to be neighbourhoods, in some places there is still nothing.
We got lucky with my house. The basement got flooded up to the very top stair. Everything had to be torn out of it, just as if it was an unfinished basement.
The water in NO is definitely doing more damage than the wind could ever do.
Tommie Hu$tle
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teh_pwn said:
In Mexico.
Uh, tornadoes are NOT predictable. We can only spot when the conditions are ripe for their formation... whether or not one is going to happen and if so where and when we have no fucking clue.
It was known things might have gotten bad since the gulf was hot and no shearing winds were around, but "might" is not "will".
A few tornados and 10 million dollars is a joke. Hurricanes cause damage on a far larger scale.
Camille hit 40 yrs ago.
That's where all the hurricane warnings for the past week and a half have come from. This thing didn't pop up yesterday. Hurricanes hit the gulf all the time. If a hurricane hits Iowa it's news. If a hurricane is talked about for a week, and evacuations are ordered, people are urged to get out, and the area is low lying on a coast? The shit will happen and happen again.
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Yes they are. We get warnings and watches on tv, when a large storm form comes in. Places in the path of the storm are quite possibly in for a tornado. Places in the midwest with large plains are more often hit than NYC.
It's like being shocked if it snows in the himalayas. It's not if, it's when.
ConfusingJazz
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Phoenix said:
287 years actually.
TheKingsCrown
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I must respectfully disagree. Intensity of STRONG storms is INCREDIBLY hard to predict, as they gain and lose intensity randomly and for no reason (at least according to current knowledge). The best evidence of the unpredictability of storms comes from Hurricane Charley. Charley strengthened quickly, but more importantly, at the VERY last moment, he took a jog north instead of east and hit a completely different location than people assumed he would given a projected path. This change in path caused a huge disaster where he hit.
Lesser unpredictability can obviously be seen from Katrina's jog to the right just before reaching the vertical axis of NO.
Thus, while we can track storms and get good information on them, their changes in direction and strength once they become monsters are still largely unpredictable.
Drensch said:
Nice. Do you understand anything about weather, or are you just mildly retarded?
Edit: by the way, one of the most expensive hurricanes ever in terms of damage was a hurricane in New England. Do you propose we abandon New York because it can be damaged by a hurricane?
Desperado said:
They predicted it's track, and anyone who's gone through basic 9th grade earth science courses knows what happens when you introduce a storm like that into the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico.
I wasn't following their updates minute-by-minute, but the interns there probably knew for certain that it was going to gain a lot of its strength back once it went into those waters. How much was the only x-factor, but once the course for New Orleans was set, the question became more a matter of degree, less a matter of "if."
Tommie Hu$tle
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On the flip side lets say they have to toally rebuid the Gulf Coast it would be cool to see those cities be rebuilt as the first major 21st century cites.
TheKingsCrown
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Warm waters mean nothing. There have been plenty of hurricanes that simply haven't accelerated their development when they absolutely should have. Dennis weakened when he shouldn't have. George as well. Opal is a classic case. Take a look at these storms, and you will see that it is not easy to predict a strong hurricane. So many times NHC and NOAA cry wolf and the hurricane weakens prior to landfall. In fact, Katrina did the same thing, it was just too strong this time for the weakening to really reduce the damage.
Suikoguy
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Houses can be built to withstand hurricanes. All the new structures in my town where charley hit did very well sans a couple. Some of them have to do absolutly nothing to repair, just clean up some debris that was blown into their yard.
The problem is, some of these houses are decades old, when we knew next to nothing about hurricanes. We should however, not build structures under 20 feet above sea level.. NO is so old though, the knowledge was not known then.
They tried their best to rememdy the situation, however it was not enough.
Btw, is NO really sinking?
The problem is, some of these houses are decades old, when we knew next to nothing about hurricanes. We should however, not build structures under 20 feet above sea level.. NO is so old though, the knowledge was not known then.
They tried their best to rememdy the situation, however it was not enough.
Btw, is NO really sinking?
ConfusingJazz
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Desperado said:
Orleans: Reloaded
ConfusingJazz
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Suikoguy said:
After 287 years of habitation, its been sinking slowly with the weight of the city on not so stable ground.
Tommie Hu$tle
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Suikoguy said:
Yes
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Did you miss the huge fucking thread about this?
http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=61248
How can you argue that hurricanes are unpredictable yet say that the NOAA has cried wolf. If they ARE unpredictable it might have been equally likely that any hurricane might have been WORSE than predicted. I heard the same retarded phrase from an idiot talk show host tonight. The reality is that we never know the actual damage until it happens while armchair weathermen think they know better.
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