Fragamemnon
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Orin GA said:
The Superbowl is pretty much the only place for people who are rescued or that have been displaced from their shelters or hospitals. I bet that number is either just about right, or maybe even below actual numbers.
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The Superbowl is pretty much the only place for people who are rescued or that have been displaced from their shelters or hospitals. I bet that number is either just about right, or maybe even below actual numbers.
Its reported at http://www.wwltv.com .Culex said:
They actually changed the text a little bit. It now says:
****ALL RESIDENTS ON THE EAST BANK OF ORLEANS AND JEFFERSON REMAINING IN THE METRO AREA ARE BEING TOLD TO EVACUATE AS EFFORTS TO SANDBAG THE LEVEE BREAK HAVE ENDED. THE PUMPS IN THAT AREA ARE EXPECTED TO FAIL SOON AND 9 FEET OF WATER IS EXPECTED IN THE ENTIRE EAST BANK. WITHIN THE NEXT 12-15 HOURS****
TheKingsCrown
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This storm and the effects it had on the very vulnerable city of NO will be studied for decades to come likely.
From NOLA.com
Mayor Ray Nagin issued an urgent bulletin through WWL-TV at 6:30 p.m.
Nagin said efforts to stop the flow of water at the breach on the 17th Street Canal are failing, which means the floodwaters will rise again.
Nagin said the waters will soon overwhelm the pump, shutting it down. He said the water will rise to 3 feet above sea level - or 12-15 feet in some places of east Jefferson and Orleans parishes.
Nagin has advised residents who have not already evacuated to do so as soon as possible.
Mayor Ray Nagin issued an urgent bulletin through WWL-TV at 6:30 p.m.
Nagin said efforts to stop the flow of water at the breach on the 17th Street Canal are failing, which means the floodwaters will rise again.
Nagin said the waters will soon overwhelm the pump, shutting it down. He said the water will rise to 3 feet above sea level - or 12-15 feet in some places of east Jefferson and Orleans parishes.
Nagin has advised residents who have not already evacuated to do so as soon as possible.
Scalemail Ted
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Everyone has to take that 50-80 death toll and throw it out the window.
There are no official death counts yet..there wont be for awhile.
(God willing, it will be held to a minimal)
But All work now is dedicated to rescue and flood relief.
The number you hear is from Harrison county in Mississippi and about 30 to 50 of them are attributed to one complex which collapsed and crumbled.
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In other news, some of the prisoners in New Orleans lockup rioted and captured hostages. There is at least one officer who also brought his children into the prison (thinking it was safe from the storm) who were held captive.
I've heard many reporters are now evacuating the city due to looting and violence. They come up to them and ask for food, water, money....then they demand their camera..anything to barter to with.
Theres also reports of carjackings. People are trying to steal cars to leave the city due to the continually rising watres from the compromised levees.
There are no official death counts yet..there wont be for awhile.
(God willing, it will be held to a minimal)
But All work now is dedicated to rescue and flood relief.
The number you hear is from Harrison county in Mississippi and about 30 to 50 of them are attributed to one complex which collapsed and crumbled.
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In other news, some of the prisoners in New Orleans lockup rioted and captured hostages. There is at least one officer who also brought his children into the prison (thinking it was safe from the storm) who were held captive.
I've heard many reporters are now evacuating the city due to looting and violence. They come up to them and ask for food, water, money....then they demand their camera..anything to barter to with.
Theres also reports of carjackings. People are trying to steal cars to leave the city due to the continually rising watres from the compromised levees.
Fragamemnon
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WWL is reporting, though an interview of the mayor, that the effort to stop the flow of water to the critical pumping station has failed (this was the sandbag drop). All of the water is spilling over into the breach-withing 12-15 hours, the water level on the east side will be equivalent to the level of the lake (about 3ft of sea level). The 3,000 pound sandbags actually never arrived.
Uptown, the French Quarter, all will be under some (varying) feet of water. The only thing left to prevent this is to fix the breach and get the pump back on in the next 12-15 hours, this already terrible situation is getting worse. They're telling people in even dry areas to either get out of town if possible, and, if they can't, grab and axe and head to the roof.
Engineers are considering breaching a levee at another point in an attempt to divert the water.
This is all from an interview from the Mayor, who seems EXTREMELY pissed at the people who failed at attempting to seal that breach.
Edit: He's discouraging people to go to the Superdome, if possible-higher ground or even a roof or a second floor over there if you can't drive out along the designated escape route (there are people evacuating on foot along that route).
Uptown, the French Quarter, all will be under some (varying) feet of water. The only thing left to prevent this is to fix the breach and get the pump back on in the next 12-15 hours, this already terrible situation is getting worse. They're telling people in even dry areas to either get out of town if possible, and, if they can't, grab and axe and head to the roof.
Engineers are considering breaching a levee at another point in an attempt to divert the water.
This is all from an interview from the Mayor, who seems EXTREMELY pissed at the people who failed at attempting to seal that breach.
Edit: He's discouraging people to go to the Superdome, if possible-higher ground or even a roof or a second floor over there if you can't drive out along the designated escape route (there are people evacuating on foot along that route).
UtadaBarkley
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argon said:
I'm sure it would be happening anywhere else... This is life or death. You realize that right? I'm not saying it's right by any means, but you do realize this is about survival, right?
Fragamemnon
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Phoenix said:
Even with these latest developments, it's not completely lost. I do think that when this is done, we'll need to look long and hard at what is left, re-evaluate the city and the port, and determine which parts of the city are recoverable-focusing first on the shipping commerce needs of the city, and then on which parts of its heritage can be saved. What I do know is that it is simply madness to rebuild again-the erosion and wetlands damage done over the past 40 years should prove that there needs to be a different path that can provide longterm safety for its citizenry and security for its businesses.
The LA Attorney General was just on the news denying people were looting, and he said it was survival because they were taking food. The news was like "We're looking at video of looters breaking into a department store and stealing TVs, are you saying this is not looting?" He tried to backpedal.
Phoenix
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ManaByte said:
In some areas there are people genuinely trying to survive and are hitting places where there is edible food which is starting to be in short supply. The number of people I've got in my house is steadily increasing... 5 new people up to a number of 20 - mostly family. My house has BECOME a shelter at this point and I'm expecting to have a few more people once I can get people up here from New Orleans.
People have to realize that there hasn't been power in days now and much of the food in their houses has either spoiled or will soon - people need to eat and they are going to get to food however they can.
Heck I was just listening to CNN talking about a lady trying to take the fuel off of the top of the CNN van in MS. People are getting desperate... entirely desperate.
Fragamemnon
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The chaos is just beginning, too. 
People aren't going to like what they wake up to tomorrow morning.
People aren't going to like what they wake up to tomorrow morning.
2001:
"The surge of a Category 5 storm could put New Orleans under 18 ft. of water."
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/research/1282151.html
Even creepier, look at the publish date on that article.
"The surge of a Category 5 storm could put New Orleans under 18 ft. of water."
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/research/1282151.html
Even creepier, look at the publish date on that article.
ManaByte said:
on the other hand, I've seen a lot of reports of store owners price gouging people trying to evacuate. They've even set up a hotline to report any place doing that. And despite the worst of it, I imagine a lot of people are stealing stuff just to survive.
Phoenix
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A new problem for the police is that they simply DO NOT HAVE ANY GAS and the JAILS ARE FLOODED. They can't stop the looting other than to guard specific stores. They can't take people to jail because the jails are flooded and they have in many places had to take the prisoners OUT of the jail. The police are in small numbers, the national guard are in small numbers and they are getting resistance BY FORCE from armed people in a lot of places.
Fragamemnon
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Phoenix said:
Basic services in the city have collapsed. The city is not habitable. The looting issue is NOTHING compared to the massive refugee problem that is going to start rearing its head in the next 12-24 hours.
Suikoguy
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JeffDowns said:
I think it has more to do with what type of people the city attracts, and the fact that nothing is habitable, probably the later more then anything else. After charley where most of the city had no power/water for 1-2 weeks, looting was a nonissue. However, the storm surge did not happen, and thereby structures that were left standing could still be lived in. That is a big issue for NO.
Structure damage (from what i've seen) seems on par with what i've seen in my neighborhood last year. Flooding however, is in another whole leauge. I am very thankful my town did not see what NO saw
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Also, you could easily leave my city.. not the case with NO
Tommie Hu$tle
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Phoenix said:
In the next 6 hours we are going to see nothing but raw chaos.
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