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shuri said:
I mean I'm okay with people stealing food, toilet paper, soap and so on; but the fuckers breaking into houses to steal stereos and tv should just be shot and have their body throw in the water.
Right...b/c petty crime is ooooh so important right now when the larger problem of relocating a metropolis STILL hasn't been solved. :rolleyes: No offense, but this is the problem. The news and, apparently, officials have spent an inordinate amount of time focused on looters and petty crime and haven't fixed the biggest, most important problem, which is the tens of thousands of people who are without food or shelter. The criminals make up an insignificant percentage of the whole. But continued ineffectiveness in remedying the situation, that number will only grow. Get people some shelter, then worry about criminals. PEACE.
 
Mupepe said:
Volunteers get in the way if there's no food for them to cook etc. What's the point of crowding it up even more when it's the fact that they can't feed more people or make more beds people etc? Sure, there are a lot of volunteers, but other than some cooks and people to clean up and whatnot, they need specialized people, doctors and the sort. Most of the evacuees in the dome can do what most of the volunteers are there to do.

The evacuees are in no condition to do anything at this point, don't even suggest it.
 
Mashing said:
What about Reliant Stadium? That place holds more than the Dome. And it's facilities are MUCH better. I an flabergasted why they don't use that as well.

The Texans play there...no way they could kick them all out before the first home game.
 
Mashing said:
What about Reliant Stadium? That place holds more than the Dome. And it's facilities are MUCH better. I an flabergasted why they don't use that as well.
The facilities are not the problem. It's resources. The Dome isn't full, but if they don't have the water, food and medical supplies to take care of people the point of packing them in becomes moot.
Phoenix said:
The evacuees are in no condition to do anything at this point, don't even suggest it.
I never said anything about them getting up right now and mopping the floors. But when they're talking about evacuees staying there for months you have to think about how they can help out a bit.
 
jobber said:
The Texans play there...no way they could kick them all out before the first home game.

I know that, I'm a season ticket holder for the Texans for christ sake, but football is insignificant. They can delay the season if they had to.

But you are right, they couldn't kick them out.

I know that there isn't a enough food/water, personnel to care for everyone but that's that's the politicians fault for overestimating their resources. So now they are fucking over people who have been fucked over for 3 days now because they made a knee jerk reaction and didn't think things through.

Like I said, the politicians involved in this disaster have been nothing but fuckups.
 
Mupepe said:
The facilities are not the problem. It's resources. The Dome isn't full, but if they don't have the water, food and medical supplies to take care of people the point of packing them in becomes moot.

I never said anything about them getting up right now and mopping the floors. But when they're talking about evacuees staying there for months you have to think about how they can help out a bit.

Help out a bit? You mean the people that you are supposed to be getting OUT of these areas and working in these various cities? You want to have them mopping the floors? Maybe painting the walls, changing the lights, and taking out the trash? Because of course you need to make sure they help out a bit in the dome instead of trying to help themselves out a bit and get OUT of the dome.
 
jobber said:
The Texans play there...no way they could kick them all out before the first home game.

Have every single football player on the Saints, Texans...hell, the entire damn league....trucked to New Orleans to help carry supplies to those stranded at the damn Convention Center.

Baseball players, too. Hell, get every single super-fit multimillionaire with the means and ability down there to help out.

I'm not asking them to go into the literal line of fire against these gangs. I'm not asking them to take the job of the military. I'm asking them to support this country in a way suitable to their means in the same way I am doing so by giving some of my meagre 17 year old salary.
 
Phoenix said:
Help out a bit? You mean the people that you are supposed to be getting OUT of these areas and working in these various cities? You want to have them mopping the floors? Maybe painting the walls, changing the lights, and taking out the trash? Because of course you need to make sure they help out a bit in the dome instead of trying to help themselves out a bit and get OUT of the dome.
So you're telling me that if these people get jobs etc, after work they can't take a few hours to help tidy up the place that they're staying? I mean, it's not like anyone cleans their own house and holds down a job. I'm sure 11,000 individuals can pull together and help take out the damn trash.
 
Mupepe said:
So you're telling me that if these people get jobs etc, after work they can't take a few hours to help tidy up the place that they're staying? I mean, it's not like anyone cleans their own house and holds down a job.


Right, because those two situations are totally the same. :rollseyes
 
Phoenix said:
Right, because those two situations are totally the same. :rollseyes
Oh my god. So what the fuck do you expect them to do? Have someone else cook their meals, take out their trash, mop their floors etc for months? That's fucking great. And way to avoid my point. It's a few hours cleaning up after THEMSELVES. It's a horrible thing that happened to them, but they'll have to pitch in around there.
 
This is just frustrating and disgusting! I'm not sure how accurate this is, but on CNN earlier, they were on the phone with someone from the convention center, and she said a woman was raped and had both of her ankles broken! WTF?!?!? If there is a Hell, I hope there's a special concierge service for these SOUL-LESS rapists and snipers. Fuck the looters, unlike them, these sacks of waste in human form are DIRECTLY harming others and preventing the administration of aid to those who are in dire need of it!

And i'm so glad Cooper tore into that Senator...I got so upset watching it live earlier. What the hell is she thanking them for? His(Bush) ass STILL hasn't made it down there. Her useless circle-jerk back-patting does NOTHING to help these people. Btw, Cafferty did some pwning earlier too.

Anyway, it's good to hear about the reunion stories, and those of the good samaritans who have helped save others.

wobedraggled said:
What this has taught me is that if there is ever a disaster, do not relay on the government to help out in a decent fashion.

Damn right...and it goes to show you just how quickly and easily we can be screwed in the wake of a disaster. I hope I never have to experience something like that. If that volcano on the European coast were to cause one side of it to slip into the ocean and cause a tsunami here on the East coast a mere 8-10 hours later, we'd be DEAD.

I'm just so EMBARASSED by these looters and rapists and snipers...truly embarassed.

This feels like the first few episodes of LOST...you think "I'm an American...someone will come and save me"...time passes and passes, and you realize that you're on your own. If I were there, i'd definitely feel like my country has failed me. As it is now, i'm scared to ever have to have my life depend on the government.

Oh, and how the hell could that person say he doesn't think those projects would helped? They sure as shit wouldn't have HURT....hasn't he heard the saying "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"?
 
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure
In the minds of some an ounce of prevention is something you have to pay for now, and that pound of cure is something you may not have to pay for... at least not until much much later.
 
Unless I missed something, I don't see Lakewood Church opening up their Compaq Center to hold 16,000 more people struck by this tragedy. WWJD, right?
 
This is really telling.

11:29 P.M. - (AP): Col. Henry Whitehorn, chief of the Louisiana State Police, said he heard of numerous instances of New Orleans police officers - many of whom from flooded areas - turning in their badges.

"They indicated that they had lost everything and didn't feel that it was worth them going back to take fire from looters and losing their lives," Whitehorn said.

I've been hearing lately about how corrupt the city of NO is (and the whole state for that matter) so I'm becoming less and less suprised on how badly they've messed things up.
 
Mupepe said:
Oh my god. So what the fuck do you expect them to do? Have someone else cook their meals, take out their trash, mop their floors etc for months? That's fucking great. And way to avoid my point. It's a few hours cleaning up after THEMSELVES. It's a horrible thing that happened to them, but they'll have to pitch in around there.

Ok, have a killer storm destroy your house and everything you own and your job and then see how much you want to get up and clean shit from the ground.
 
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Note to self: Change home page to a non-news site.
 
Ah man, I haven't really been following this story too closely. I just assumed a disaster where there was pre-warning in the US would be dealt with half decently. The fact that a lot of the news was focused on looting also didn't help raise awareness of just how bad it was. As well as GDB saying don't buy gas if you don't need to a few days in?!? However I finally paid attention to some bad looking pictures and thought, oh shit this is really bad. Then a comment in a report that thousands were feared dead confirmed my suspicions. I've also just read this whole thread. Fuck it was scary reading comments at the start asking "I think I may stay put for a bit".

It's all really fucking depressing. You don't get a city wiped out and have few deaths. Yet the awareness just seems so low. I look at this and think, 10, 20 maybe even 40 or 50 thousand people could die all told. Yet there's no real outcry and call for help. There hasn't been a huge appeal from aid agencies. Tony Blair hasn't gone and done his international hero thing. The US government has seemed fairly casual in its response. There hasn't been a flurry of support from countries around the world. There isn't much coverage of a huge humanitarian death toll. It's focused on the looting, the physical devastation and awesomeness of the hurricane and the fact that people in New Orleans are angry and upset that they aren't getting the support from their government.

I don't know, there's just no urgency. Maybe because I just read 3 or 4 days worth of news in one go, I see the the no doubt huge death toll, the chaos where people are shooting at aid workers or hospital workers or people raping women seemingly in public and the deteriorating situation where hunger, thirst and awful conditions are ripe for disease.

I look at this and I think, this could be the New Orleans area tsunami(not US tsunami, I mean focused on the New Orleans area). I mean, the place has basically been wiped out and the death toll could be mammoth. And I'm not some insular American or somehting full of patriotism saying this. I'm a Pakistani British Muslim male aged between 18-30 that's really pissed off with the bullshit Bush and Blair have been ramming down the worlds throats these past couple of years saying this. What the fuck is going on with the major inaction over this? My heart goes out to all the people suffering beyond anything because of this. I hope people start shaping up and sorting this out, and that all you gaffers are safe. This is a tragedy, and these have been dark days. In the words of the Pimp. PEACE.
 
ManaByte said:
Ok, have a killer storm destroy your house and everything you own and your job and then see how much you want to get up and clean shit from the ground.
So they're supposed to do nothing? Fuck it, let's just put them on welfare for their rest of their lives. And you ya know what? Look back, I have had my home destroyed. I posted that earlier. 2002. Houston. House, under water for 3 days. It fucking really sucks but you have to do what you have to do. And having volunteers and paying people to clean, cook and do everything else after these people is just not feasible. I already said that I'm not for telling them right now "Pick that shit up fucker!" But if you're talking about staying there for months, at some point they will have to help to keep the Dome up. People do it all the time. There are survivors that made it here to Houston that are helping out in drives and stuff NOW. Jesus, it's not reasonable to assume that at some point they'll be able to reconstruct their lives enough to help clean a facility that they're using?
 
heidern said:
It's all really fucking depressing. You don't get a city wiped out and have few deaths. Yet the awareness just seems so low. I look at this and think, 10, 20 maybe even 40 or 50 thousand people could die all told. Yet there's no real outcry and call for help. There hasn't been a huge appeal from aid agencies. Tony Blair hasn't gone and done his international hero thing. The US government has seemed fairly casual in its response. There hasn't been a flurry of support from countries around the world. There isn't much coverage of a huge humanitarian death toll. It's focused on the looting, the physical devastation and awesomeness of the hurricane and the fact that people in New Orleans are angry and upset that they aren't getting the support from their government.

Quoted for the sad truth.

Hell, I was talking to my brother today about all this and he had no clue how bad it was in NO. He hadn't been watching any news and all of his coworkers and friends haven't even been talking about it. I told him to turn on CNN and his jaw sat dropped for a good hour.
 
heidern said:
It's all really fucking depressing. You don't get a city wiped out and have few deaths. Yet the awareness just seems so low. I look at this and think, 10, 20 maybe even 40 or 50 thousand people could die all told. Yet there's no real outcry and call for help. There hasn't been a huge appeal from aid agencies. Tony Blair hasn't gone and done his international hero thing. The US government has seemed fairly casual in its response. There hasn't been a flurry of support from countries around the world. There isn't much coverage of a huge humanitarian death toll. It's focused on the looting, the physical devastation and awesomeness of the hurricane and the fact that people in New Orleans are angry and upset that they aren't getting the support from their government.
There have been some offers of support and aid from other countries, but the US has actually been turning them down. I know I read that Canada and Jamaica had made offers and been rejected.

Perhaps Condi was too busy buying shoes, playing tennis and attending Broadway shows to deal with these offers?
 
Dan said:
There have been some offers of support and aid from other countries, but the US has actually been turning them down. I know I read that Canada and Jamaica had made offers and been rejected.

Perhaps Condi was too busy buying shoes, playing tennis and attending Broadway shows to deal with these offers?
Chavez offered humanitarian aid too.
 
Dan said:
but the US has actually been turning them down

Did they think they had a fucking handle on it or something?

WHY are these offers being turned down?

I can't believe that there aren't people that don't know about how bad it is. It's the worst disaster in American history. Holy fuck.
 
I know our country (NZ) has offered help. Support teams ready to leave immediatly, but I'm not sure if it's been accepted.
 
Such a terrible thing.

God, I tried to watch the Anderson Cooper vid earlier, but I had to stop after that stupid Landrieu bitch got torn into and immediately went into horseshit spin mode. I wanted to reach through my monitor and strangle her.

I think what we are witnessing is the lack of essential human decency by our politicians, on both sides of the aisle. It isn't surprising, but it is terrible nonetheless.
 
I've been in a bubble for a few days - work has been crazy and I've been recovering from massive jet lag from a trip to Malaysia last week. I haven't paid any attention to the storm until now - just read through page 20 of this thread (took a few hours) - and I'm bawling.

Fuck the physical destruction - so many people dead, displaced, hurt. The human tragedy implied by all those pictures of destruction just tears my heart out.
 
http://blogs.chron.com/domeblog/

Blogging from Inside the Dome.

And I knew they were probably overesimating on the 25k number. Hell, you can fit 60k fans in there, all sitting. But...those seats are small and uncomfortable as fuck. Now that I think about it, Reliant Center, Reliant Arena, and the GRB are MUCH better options to house many more than could be held in the dome. The Arena is RARELY used except for shitty circusses and Jewelry shows every other month. The Arena is basically a huge warehouse with nothing but empty space all over the place.

I'm off to watch the news. Late
 
Jewbacca said:
Why doesnt Lakewood go back to its home and let the refugees use the summit?

Yeah fucking right. The second Pastor Bumble B. Fuck gives up his multimillion dollar cashcow is the day I root for the Yankees.

Mattress Mac Will save everyone!
 
950 KPRC in Houston just played a clip from the Police Chief stating that Reliant Stadium owners have offered to make it available to refugees. Don't know if the city is going to take them up on that though.
 
I work at Target and today I walked into work and I saw people with fucked up clothes just buying TV's applying for work here... I just couldnt look them in the eye.. I knew they were from N.O. and I just fuckign felt awful :<
 
Phoenix said:
As



Mostly because Biloxi, Waveland, Bay St. Louis, etc. are a LOT smaller in scale both in population and level of 'ongoing' destruction. Alabama and Georgia took 'normal hurricane damage'.
Being from Ms, I must say the Damage is far worse then in New Orleans, Most of the coast were wiped out From Long Beach to Bay St Louis that is over 100 miles of unthinkable damage... over 200 dead in one county alone(the govonor think it will reach the thousands in one MS county).Not to down play New Orleans but most of there damage is from the levee breaks not the storm...Ms was hit far worse, but you would not know that from watching the major new networks because we dont have armed thugs in the streets, they dont want to show it.
 
Phoenix said:
No. Waveland was erased from the map. Bay St. Louis was slightly better. Biloxi was severly damaged.

Wrong again...If you are not sure dont say anything.... maybe you are not fimilair with the area but most of the dead are in Biloxi.... BIloxi is flattened Espically East Biloxi, I would be happy to point you to footage that shows almost nothing left.It is sad that this has happened anywhere, but to say stuff that is just not true, I'm not going to stand for it.
 
Lo-Volt said:
MSNBC: official death toll in Mississippi reaches 126, but authorities warn of hundred more to be found and counted.
That number is from One County of MS, overall it is in the Mid 200 for the entire state, that thousand number is likely to also be one county alone...
 
themadcowtipper said:
Wrong again...If you are not sure dont say anything.... maybe you are not fimilair with the area but most of the dead are in Biloxi.... BIloxi is flattened Espically East Biloxi, I would be happy to point you to footage that shows almost nothing left.It is sad that this has happened anywhere, but to say stuff that is just not true, I'm not going to stand for it.


I've got relatives in Biloxi, they are fine, but everything I have heard has said that Biloxi is right there when it comes to "being wiped off the map." There is no good news here, all these communities are fucked, NO just happens to have more water and assholes with guns per capita.

I haven't seen a recognizable pic of Biloxi yet.
 
Mupepe said:
Oh my god. So what the fuck do you expect them to do? Have someone else cook their meals, take out their trash, mop their floors etc for months? That's fucking great. And way to avoid my point. It's a few hours cleaning up after THEMSELVES. It's a horrible thing that happened to them, but they'll have to pitch in around there.

That's why they are called volunteers! Accept them, use them.
 
themadcowtipper said:
Wrong again...If you are not sure dont say anything.... maybe you are not fimilair with the area but most of the dead are in Biloxi.... BIloxi is flattened Espically East Biloxi, I would be happy to point you to footage that shows almost nothing left.It is sad that this has happened anywhere, but to say stuff that is just not true, I'm not going to stand for it.


Dude, shut the fuck up. No only have I been to these area - I've LIVED in these areas. I have satellite maps of these areas. I know the populations of these affected areas. I can see where the homes of my entire mothers side of my family used to be. There are fewer people in the affected areas of the affected MS gulf coast region than there are at the superdome alone. So before you open your mouth and say another thing, you tell me YOUR source. I'm sitting where I'm looking at feeds from ALL of these areas, where we have discussed the numbers of people in all of these areas. Biloxi is worse than a major metro city? What the fuck is wrong with your brain. All of Bay St. Louis and Waveland don't even have the population of New Orleans east let alone the area of impact of the entire greater New Orleans area.

East Biloxi near the beach is devestated but as you head toward 10, the damage drops off quickly. There are areas of Biloxi which are only damaged - not flat. Waveland is ENTIRELY FLAT. There are no standing structures of any kind anywhere. Bay St. Louis has a few standing structures near downtown and near where the supermarket/Walmart are at the interstate. My statement is entirely accurate. Property damage at this point is irrelevant.
 
Dan said:
There have been some offers of support and aid from other countries, but the US has actually been turning them down. I know I read that Canada and Jamaica had made offers and been rejected.

Perhaps Condi was too busy buying shoes, playing tennis and attending Broadway shows to deal with these offers?

The French have too, but there's not much of this getting reported here.
 
DarienA said:
...WTF does that mean?

con·ser·va·tion P Pronunciation Key (knsûr-vshn)
n.
The act or process of conserving.
Preservation or restoration from loss, damage, or neglect: manuscripts saved from deterioration under the program of library conservation.
The protection, preservation, management, or restoration of wildlife and of natural resources such as forests, soil, and water.
The maintenance of a physical quantity, such as energy or mass, during a physical or chemical change.
 
The New Orleans riverfront has been hit by a series of massive blasts, and fires are raging in the area.

Details are sketchy, but the blast is believed to have involved a chemical factory. A large cloud of acrid, black smoke is drifting over New Orleans.

The news came as extra troops were sent to quell lawlessness in the city, where thousands are stranded without food or water in Hurricane Katrina's aftermath.

President Bush is to visit areas hit amid anger at the federal response.

The Senate approved $10.5bn (£5.7bn) emergency aid, which the House of Representatives is expected to back within the next 24 hours.

But the head of the New Orleans emergency operations described the relief effort as a national disgrace.

The federal authorities were too slow to respond, Mayor Ray Nagin said.

Louisiana's governor said 300 "battle-tested" National Guardsmen were being sent to the crippled city.

"They have M-16s and are locked and loaded. These troops know how to shoot and kill and I expect they will," Kathleen Blanco said.

Washington pledged a further 4,200 guardsmen in coming days, and said that 3,000 army soldiers may also be sent to the city where violence has disrupted relief efforts.

The deployment came as thousands were finally taken from the Louisiana Superdome, where up to 20,000 have been corralled amid heat and squalor since Katrina struck.

Hundreds or even thousands are feared to have drowned in the city - and up to 60,000 could still be stranded, the US coastguard says. (emphasis mine)

People made homeless by the flooding have grown increasingly desperate, as looting swept the city.

There have been outbreaks of shootings and carjackings and reports of rapes.

The federal emergency agency was trying to work "under conditions of urban warfare", director Michael Brown said.

The situation at the city's convention centre, where up to 20,000 other residents sought refuge, was also said to be desperate.

Families slept amid the filth and the dead.

The muddy floodwaters are now toxic with fuel, battery acid, rubbish and raw sewage.

"Call it biblical. Call it apocalyptic. Whatever you want to call it, take your pick," one survivor said.

"There were bodies floating past my front door. I've never seen anything like that," Robert Lewis said, near tears.

Residents have expressed growing anger and frustration with the disorder on the streets and timeliness of relief efforts.

Governor Blanco told ABC she had "no idea" how many people had died because of the inadequacy of the response.

"We're not into the blame game... I've been trying to save lives," she said.

The Houston Astrodome in Texas had to temporarily close its doors because of lack of space, after receiving 11,000 evacuees.

But the federal emergency management association has asked for patience.

The agency says it has aid to deliver, but it takes time to reach them, given the magnitude of the disaster.

According to the White House, about 90,000 sq miles (234,000 sq km) has been affected by the hurricane.

The mayor of New Orleans has ordered a total evacuation and warned it will be months before people can return to their homes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4207202.stm
 
Lo-Volt said:
The French have too, but there's not much of this getting reported here.

There are over 20 countries that have offered aid and are trying to get it here however they can and they are organizing to get stuff here as they can.
 
Phoenix said:
Dude, shut the fuck up. No only have I been to these area - I've LIVED in these areas. I have satellite maps of these areas. I know the populations of these affected areas. I can see where the homes of my entire mothers side of my family used to be. There are fewer people in the affected areas of the affected MS gulf coast region than there are at the superdome alone. So before you open your mouth and say another thing, you tell me YOUR source. I'm sitting where I'm looking at feeds from ALL of these areas, where we have discussed the numbers of people in all of these areas. Biloxi is worse than a major metro city? What the fuck is wrong with your brain. All of Bay St. Louis and Waveland don't even have the population of New Orleans east let alone the area of impact of the entire greater New Orleans area.
My post was refering to where you said it was not wiped out.Biloxi is gone. I have lived there for 25 yrs and do not reconize it. Nothing is there. My source is my Uncle who I have contacted(yesterday) is a FireFighter in Ms working since the storm ...Biloxi has more then Sever Damage as you put it...That was the only point I was trying to make.I not going to argue which one is worse that wasnt the point I was trying to Make both Ms and New Orleans will be similar in casualites, both in the thousands....And as you said Ms has a much smaller population so the effect it will have to me atleast is much greater.
 
xabre said:
con·ser·va·tion P Pronunciation Key (knsûr-vshn)
n.
The act or process of conserving.
Preservation or restoration from loss, damage, or neglect: manuscripts saved from deterioration under the program of library conservation.
The protection, preservation, management, or restoration of wildlife and of natural resources such as forests, soil, and water.
The maintenance of a physical quantity, such as energy or mass, during a physical or chemical change.

<holds back prepared insult> That's not my question... my question is who buys gas that they don't need? Make less trips yes.... driving smoother yes... those are intelligent things to say when talking about conservation... who the hell says don't buy gas you don't need? That's retarded.
 
Heard on the way in to work this morning on the radio that DC is going to send some Metro buses down to pick up a few hundred people to bring them back here... that's cool.
 
DarienA said:
<holds back prepared insult> That's not my question... my question is who buys gas that they don't need? Make less trips yes.... driving smoother yes... those are intelligent things to say when talking about conservation... who the hell says don't buy gas you don't need? That's retarded.

I think he might have been referring to those that fill up large storage tanks of the stuff, there was a picture of one such person somewhere earlier in the thread.
 
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