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Ugh. I am watching this video where this news reporter is detailing how she found this guy sitting around saying he was having trouble with his insulin and so she went to get national guard people to help him, and they assured her they would. 10 minutes later, she went back and the guy had died. This is so so sad.
 
The President and the Democratic Party radio addresses on the recent disaster on the Gulf Coast were covered by CNN. Bush on troops and a live radio address. Democratic opposition demands answer in radio address this weekend.
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The Associated Press is running a story warning of another storm on the eviscerated Gulf Coast before the end of this year's hurricane season. AP and Yahoo! story.

The Associated Press said:
"We're not out of the woods yet," said Susan Cutter, director of the University of South Carolina Hazards Research Laboratory. "We're not even in the height of hurricane season."

A forecast released Friday by meteorologists at Colorado State University calls for six more hurricanes by the time the hurricane season ends on Nov. 30, three of them Category 3 or above. On average, about one major hurricane in three makes landfall in the United States.

And in many respects another hurricane in the area already devastated by Katrina would only add insult to injury.

"It sounds horrible, but it may not be that bad," Cutter said. "The sad thing is that most of the damage has already been done."

But in New Orleans itself, any violent weather threatens to expand the gaping holes that Katrina opened in the city's flood control infrastructure.

"Even a tropical storm I think would wreak havoc," said Joannes Westerink, a civil engineer at the University of Notre Dame who produces computer simulations of storm surges for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, the Federal Emergency Management Agency and other clients.
 
The BBC is running a visceral editorial from a correspondent in Los Angeles. BBC News Service: "New Orleans disaster shames Americans."

Matt Wells said:
At the end of an unforgettable week, one broadcaster on Friday bitterly encapsulated the sense of burning shame and anger that many American citizens are feeling.

The only difference between the chaos of New Orleans and a Third World disaster operation, he said, was that a foreign dictator would have responded better.

It has been a profoundly shocking experience for many across this vast country who, for the large part, believe the home-spun myth about the invulnerability of the American Dream.

The party in power in Washington is always happy to convey the impression of 50 states moving forward together in social and economic harmony towards a bigger and better America.

That is what presidential campaigning is all about.

But what the devastating consequences of Katrina have shown - along with the response to it - is that for too long now, the fabric of this complex and overstretched country, especially in states like Louisiana and Mississippi, has been neglected and ignored.

But behind the elegant intoxicants of the French Quarter, it was clearly a city grotesquely divided on several levels. It has twice the national average poverty rate.

The government approach to such deprivation looked more like thoughtless containment than anything else.


The nightly shootings and drugs-related homicides of recent years pointed to a small but vicious culture of largely black-on-black crime that everyone knew existed, but no-one seemed to have any real answers for.

Again, no-one wanted to pick up the bill or deal with the realities of race relations in the 21st Century.

Too often in the so-called "New South", they still look positively 19th Century.

"Shoot the looters" is good rhetoric, but no lasting solution.
 
TheKingsCrown said:
Ugh. I am watching this video where this news reporter is detailing how she found this guy sitting around saying he was having trouble with his insulin and so she went to get national guard people to help him, and they assured her they would. 10 minutes later, she went back and the guy had died. This is so so sad.
Can you upload that to yousendit please?
And where did you get this? Link to the vid if you can.
 
Don't test me.

Anyway,

"They killed a man here last night," Steve Banka, 28, told Reuters. "A young lady was being raped and stabbed. And the sounds of her screaming got to this man and so he ran out into the street to get help from troops, to try to flag down a passing truck of them, and he jumped up on the truck's windscreen and they shot him dead."

We found a young girl raped and killed in the bathroom," one National Guard soldier told Reuters. "Then the crowd got the man and they beat him to death."

That's really messed up. Not only the rape, but the fact that the guy trying to get help ends up getting shot? What the hell?
 
ToxicAdam said:
So, now empathy is measured on how many posts you make complaining about Bush?

You are the most empathetic person here then.
Fuck you too. I condemn the mindset you espouse, that less government is a good thing. Look what a poorly funded central government is giving us here, you piece of shit.

I know precisely where my level of empathy for my fellow man is. Once a week I volunteer at a soup kitchen for the homeless, and once a month I do work for Habitat for Humanity. Your favorite fucking President's compassion for his fellow man must have had to take a backseat for his love for a game of golf on Thursday.

For fuck's sakes. It's like your afraid that they're gonna take away your potential future membership to the Rich People's Club if you criticize the Administration. How can you not see that they are fucking out of it?

You're human garbage. Get the fuck out of this thread.
 
AB 101 said:
More fodder eh?
Damage control eh?

You really are a pathetic piece of shit. And you're one to accuse others of politicizing this.
 
Why is there any bitching about looting? These people have no means to get out of the city(or the gov won't let them out), their houses are under water or flattened, their personal possessions are destroyed. Call me crazy, but I can understand why these poor people are busting open ATM's, snatching cash registers, and other valuable items. They had nothing and lost everything.

Not saying it's right, but given the situation it's understandable.
 
Jesus fucking christ. No need to get so fucking emotional.

If dems would have done something else than fucking finger point and slam republicans, all that energy could have been focused on trying to win the last election.

If Bush is the scum sucking, dirt bag, fuckass, why did he win?


WHY?

Sounds like it should have been a landslide democrat victory to me.


The US government is corrupt and there are lots of worthless politicians in Washington, on both sides.


I think it would be good to channel this anger and hatred and start putting out the liberal message and maybe you all can win the next election.
 
Uh, Mary Landrieu's a Democrat and she's been reviled as any other politician involved in this debacle, bar none. I think everyone here's disgusted at politicians in general because nearly all of them, regardless of party, have failed their citizens. But honestly, this isn't about politics right now -- at least not in this thread -- so stop claiming others are trying to politicize this when you're the one bringing up the fucking 2004 election :|
 
AB 101 said:
Jesus fucking christ. No need to get so fucking emotional.

If dems would have done something else than fucking finger point and slam republicans, all that energy could have been focused on trying to win the last election.

If Bush is the scum sucking, dirt bag, fuckass, why did he win?


WHY?

Sounds like it should have been a landslide democrat victory to me.


because ppl are paranoid sheep?
 
- Touring the airport triage center, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., a physician, said "a lot more than eight to 10 people are dying a day."

- Charles Womack, a 30-year-old roofer, said he saw one man beaten to death and another commit suicide at the Superdome. Womack was beaten with a pipe and being treated at the airport triage center.

- "One guy jumped off a balcony. I saw him do it. He was talking to a lady about it. He said it reminded him of the war and he couldn't leave," he said.

- Three babies died at the convention center from heat exhaustion, said Mark Kyle, a medical relief provider.

- Nearby, a woman lay dead in a wheelchair on the front steps. A man was covered in a black drape with a dry line of blood running to the gutter, where it had pooled. Another had lain on a chaise lounge for four days, his stocking feet peeking out from under a quilt.

Isn't the blood of all these people on Bush's hands? :(
 
Wow, I should have said don't test US. You're fighting a battle you can't win here AB. Go to the Defense Tech forums or something.
 
OpinionatedCyborg said:
Uh, Mary Landrieu's a Democrat and she's been reviled as any other politician involved in this debacle, bar none. I think everyone here's disgusted at politicians in general because nearly all of them, regardless of party, have failed their citizens. But honestly, this isn't about politics right now -- at least not in this thread -- so stop claiming others are trying to politicize this when you're the one bringing up the fucking 2004 election :|

Sorry. I thought Bush had been mentioed in this thread. :(


Well, Louisiand government is a clusterfuck. Even worse than Washington DC.

THeir emergency action plan was totally a disaster.

Yeah, Washington could have done much better. Many could have done better. It is a shame.

I guess I should have totally expected the political fallout.

Sorry guys. I got to overly emotional.
 
Diablos said:
Wow, I should have said don't test US. You're fighting a battle you can't win here AB. Go to the Defense Tech forums or something.

Yeah, a 99% to 1% ratio is impossible.

White flag is up. :)
 
AB 101 said:
Jesus fucking christ. No need to get so fucking emotional.

If dems would have done something else than fucking finger point and slam republicans, all that energy could have been focused on trying to win the last election.

If Bush is the scum sucking, dirt bag, fuckass, why did he win?

What you have is a shitty leader and a shitty administration, and that's regardless of party lines.
 
AB 101 said:
Well, Louisiand government is a clusterfuck. Even worse than Washington DC.

THeir emergency action plan was totally a disaster.

Yeah, Washington could have done much better. Many could have done better. It is a shame.

You're definitely correct that it's no one's fault in particular. The local, regional, and federal governments have all failed New Orleans.

As of now, I'm unsure how much of the blame Ray Nagin should shoulder. After all, he only called for a mandatory evacuation 1 day before the biggest storm in recent memory hit. He also neglected to supply the Superdome with enough food and fresh water for the people there, which was a huge oversight considering it was the main refuge for New Orleans' survivors. Buses, which could've been used to evacuate people, were left on low ground and are now inaccessible due to flooding.

Bush's response has been slow, insincere, and remarkably callous, but there's a lot more involved in this catastrophe than just the federal government.
 
Diablos said:
Don't test me.

Anyway,



That's really messed up. Not only the rape, but the fact that the guy trying to get help ends up getting shot? What the hell?
That might be the most fucked up thing I've read yet.

Alot of people need to be strung up by their nuts.

I'm a Detroiter. For all the city's warts I absolutely could not imagine seeing my home utterly devestated like this.

Insertia said:
Why is there any bitching about looting? These people have no means to get out of the city(or the gov won't let them out), their houses are under water or flattened, their personal possessions are destroyed. Call me crazy, but I can understand why these poor people are busting open ATM's, snatching cash registers, and other valuable items. They had nothing and lost everything.

Not saying it's right, but given the situation it's understandable.

I actually feel the exact same way. Looting right now is almost a nonissue, food, tv's clothes I don't give a fuck. Helping those stranded should be the biggest priority.

It takes a twisted mindset to place stopping someone from taking a tv right with evacuating the stranded.
 
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Here is the kid that stole a bus and took 80 people to houston. Do you and would you believe that they are trying to press charges against him?


Here is the interview

s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1DS5Y2WVR6CV71GI59CPD9A2KJ
 
The New York Times running with a story on the best or worst moments to come for the Bush administration.

The New York Times said:
Faced with one of the worst political crises of his administration, President Bush abruptly overhauled his September schedule on Saturday as the White House scrambled to gain control of a situation that Republicans said threatened to undermine Mr. Bush's second-term agenda and the party's long-term ambitions.

In a sign of the mounting anxiety at the White House, Mr. Bush made a rare Saturday appearance in the Rose Garden before live television cameras to announce that he was dispatching additional active-duty troops to the Gulf Coast. He struck a more somber tone than he had at times on Friday during a daylong tour of the disaster region, when he had joked at the airport in New Orleans about the fun he had had in his younger days in Houston. His demeanor on Saturday was similar to that of his most somber speeches after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

The last-minute overhaul of the president's plans reflected what analysts and some Republicans said was a long-term threat to Mr. Bush's presidency created by the perception that the White House had failed to respond to the crisis. Several said the political fallout over the hurricane could complicate a second-term agenda that includes major changes to Social Security, the tax code and the immigration system.

"This is very much going to divert the agenda," said Tom Rath, a New Hampshire Republican with ties to the White House. "Some of this is momentary. I think the Bush capital will be rapidly replenished if they begin to respond here."

Donald P. Green, a professor of political science at Yale University, said: "The possibility for very serious damage to the administration exists. The unmistakable conclusion one would draw from this was this was a massive administration failure."

And Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker, urged Mr. Bush to quickly propose a rebuilding plan for New Orleans and the rest of the Gulf Coast, arguing that an ambitious gesture could restore his power in Congress.

"If it's done right, it adds energy to the rest of his agenda," Mr. Gingrich said. "If it's done wrong, it swamps the rest of his agenda."

The silence of many prominent Democrats reflects their conclusion that the president is on treacherous political ground and that attacking him would permit the White House to dismiss the criticism as partisan politics-as-usual, a senior Democratic aide said.
 
Lo-Volt said:
The New York Times running with a story on the best or worst moments to come for the Bush administration.
You left out this part:
As Mr. Bush spoke, Vice President Dick Cheney and Karl Rove, the president's senior political adviser, listened on the sidelines, as did Dan Bartlett, the counselor to the president and Mr. Bush's overseer of communications strategy. Their presence underscored how seriously the White House is reacting to the political crisis it faces.
I guess that means the political fallout was enough that Dick Cheney returned from his vacation in Wyoming. Of course, the actual disaster wasn't enough for him.

I'd like to know if the GOP will allow a delay for the Roberts hearings, and whether or not they'll be pushing the estate tax stuff into Congress this week. Let's see where their priorities are.
 
Dan said:
You left out this part:

I guess that means the political fallout was enough that Dick Cheney returned from his vacation in Wyoming. Of course, the actual disaster wasn't enough for him.

I'd like to know if the GOP will allow a delay for the Roberts hearings, and whether or not they'll be pushing the estate tax stuff into Congress this week. Let's see where their priorities are.

I meant to provide a link and a tidbit of the article. My bad.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/n...&en=23cce9f23aa42f66&ei=5094&partner=homepage for the full story.
 
The whole article is from the Houston Chronicle.

Amid the overwhelmingly compassionate response to hurricane evacuees in Houston, a less-welcoming undercurrent is developing among people worried about the impact of thousands of needy, desperate people.

E-mails, blogs and callers to the Chronicle wonder why refugees draw such immediate assistance while Houston's poor continue to suffer. Others fear an increase of crime.

Some are blunt. "Yes, let's rush to bring over the looters and destroyers of public and private property," wrote a commenter.

Some are thoughtful. "I have grave concerns about a city that can't help the people here now that are going hungry and cannot pay the high cost of utilities," e-mailed a Houston woman.

Others feel a burden has been foisted on Houstonians. "I am not a Christian, but I am charitable. That being said, there's a difference between me making a personal choice to give $50 to the Red Cross and my elected officials inviting 25,000 homeless into the middle of my city," a resident wrote the Chronicle's SciGuy blog.

Laurence Simon, a tech support employee for a local company, has mixed feelings.

"I'm glad that we're putting out a welcome mat. These people have to go somewhere. But I don't know if officials are appreciating the extent of what it's going to take," said Simon.

"You can hold the door open on the elevator for more and more people but, at some point, the elevator gets too full and the cable snaps."

About two-thirds of the population of New Orleans and many of the evacuees are black. Some of the e-mails and calls have a racist bent.

But the unease cuts across racial lines. Michelle Louring, an African-American resident of the Greenspoint area, said her neighborhood already has experienced an increase in petty crimes and nuisances she blames on refugees.

"I understand we need to help. But the crime rate in New Orleans is really high and now we're getting their problem. Plus, people in my community already have trouble getting jobs and services, and now everyone is concentrating on helping the refugees."
 
It looks like this will test the patience and generosity of the American people like no other event before.

We'll finally find out what kind of country America is.
 
I officially hate Ben Stein now.
Get Off His Back
By Ben Stein
Published 9/2/2005 11:59:59 PM


A few truths, for those who have ears and eyes and care to know the truth:

1.) The hurricane that hit New Orleans and Mississippi and Alabama was an astonishing tragedy. The suffering and loss of life and peace of mind of the residents of those areas is acutely horrifying.

2.) George Bush did not cause the hurricane. Hurricanes have been happening for eons. George Bush did not create them or unleash this one.

3.) George Bush did not make this one worse than others. There have been far worse hurricanes than this before George Bush was born.

4.) There is no overwhelming evidence that global warming exists as a man-made phenomenon. There is no clear-cut evidence that global warming even exists. There is no clear evidence that if it does exist it makes hurricanes more powerful or makes them aim at cities with large numbers of poor people. If global warming is a real phenomenon, which it may well be, it started long before George Bush was inaugurated, and would not have been affected at all by the Kyoto treaty, considering that Kyoto does not cover the world's worst polluters -- China, India, and Brazil. In a word, George Bush had zero to do with causing this hurricane. To speculate otherwise is belief in sorcery.

5.) George Bush had nothing to do with the hurricane contingency plans for New Orleans. Those are drawn up by New Orleans and Louisiana. In any event, the plans were perfectly good: mandatory evacuation. It is in no way at all George Bush's fault that about 20 percent of New Orleans neglected to follow the plan. It is not his fault that many persons in New Orleans were too confused to realize how dangerous the hurricane would be. They were certainly warned. It's not George Bush's fault that there were sick people and old people and people without cars in New Orleans. His job description does not include making sure every adult in America has a car, is in good health, has good sense, and is mobile.

6.) George Bush did not cause gangsters to shoot at rescue helicopters taking people from rooftops, did not make gang bangers rape young girls in the Superdome, did not make looters steal hundreds of weapons, in short make New Orleans into a living hell.

7.) George Bush is the least racist President in mind and soul there has ever been and this is shown in his appointments over and over. To say otherwise is scandalously untrue.

8.) George Bush is rushing every bit of help he can to New Orleans and Mississippi and Alabama as soon as he can. He is not a magician. It takes time to organize huge convoys of food and now they are starting to arrive. That they get in at all considering the lawlessness of the city is a miracle of bravery and organization.

9.) There is not the slightest evidence at all that the war in Iraq has diminished the response of the government to the emergency. To say otherwise is pure slander.

10.) If the energy the news media puts into blaming Bush for an Act of God worsened by stupendous incompetence by the New Orleans city authorities and the malevolence of the criminals of the city were directed to helping the morale of the nation, we would all be a lot better off.

11.) New Orleans is a great city with many great people. It will recover and be greater than ever. Sticking pins into an effigy of George Bush that does not resemble him in the slightest will not speed the process by one day.

12.) The entire episode is a dramatic lesson in the breathtaking callousness of government officials at the ground level. Imagine if Hillary Clinton had gotten her way and they were in charge of your health care.

God bless all of those dear people who are suffering so much, and God bless those helping them, starting with George Bush.

That article is just almost totally spin, and vile spin at that. Ugh, he makes me so pissed off.
 
"We found a young girl raped and killed in the bathroom," one National Guard soldier told Reuters. "Then the crowd got the man and they beat him to death."

I think stories like this are just the tip of the iceberg....I just wonder if the full extent of the horror will ever be revealed and people held accountable...
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050904/ts_alt_afp/usweatherpolice_050904002034

NEW ORLEANS, United States (AFP) - A top New Orleans police officer said that National Guard troops sat around playing cards while people died in the stricken city after Hurricane Katrina.

New Orleans deputy police commander W.S. Riley launched a bitter attack on the federal response to the disaster though he praised the way the evacuation was eventually handled.

His remarks fuelled controversy over the government's handling of events during five days when New Orleans succumbed to lawlessness after Katrina swamped the city's flood defenses.

The National Guard commander, Lieutenant General Steven Blum, said the reservist force was slow to move troops into New Orleans because it did not anticipate the collapse of the city's police force.

But Riley said that for the first three days after Monday's storm, which is believed to have killed several thousand people, the police and fire departments and some volunteers had been alone in trying to rescue people.

"We expected a lot more support from the federal government. We expected the government to respond within 24 hours. The first three days we had no assistance," he told AFP in an interview.

Riley went on: "We have been fired on with automatic weapons. We still have some thugs around. My biggest disappointment is with the federal government and the National Guard.

"The guard arrived 48 hours after the hurricane with 40 trucks. They drove their trucks in and went to sleep.

"For 72 hours this police department and the fire department and handful of citizens were alone rescuing people. We have people who died while the National Guard sat and played cards. I understand why we are not winning the war in Iraq if this is what we have."

Riley said there is "a semblance of organisation now."

"The military is here and they have done an excellent job with the evacuation" of the tens of thousands of people stranded in the city.

The National Guard commander said the city police force was left with only a third of its pre-storm strength.

"The real issue, particularly in New Orleans, is that no one anticipated the disintegration or the erosion of the civilian police force in New Orleans," Blum told reporters in Washington.

"Once that assessment was made ... then the requirement became obvious," he said. "And that's when we started flowing military police into the theatre."

On Friday, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin denounced the slow federal response as too little, too late, charging that promised troops had not arrived in time.

"Now get off your asses and let's do something and fix the biggest goddamn crisis in the history of this country," the mayor said in remarks aired on CNN.

Blum said that since Thursday some 7,000 National Guard and military police had moved into the city. President George W. Bush on Saturday ordered an additional 7,000 active duty and reserve ground troops.

Blum said any suggestion that the National Guard had not performed well or was late was a "low blow".

The initial priority of the Louisiana and Mississippi National Guard forces was disaster relief, not law enforcement, because they expected the police to handle that, he said.

The police commander was unable to give a death toll for New Orleans.

"We have bodies all over the city. A federal mortuary team was supposed to come in within 24 hours. We haven't seen them. It is inhumane. This is just not America."

Riley said he did not even know how many police remained from a normal force of 1,700.

"Many officers lost their homes or their families and there are many we have not heard from. Some officers could not handle the pressure and left. I don't know if we have 800 or thousands today."
 
Who gives a flying fuck what Ben Stein thinks? Because he passes himself off as smart?


That man defines pseudo-intellectual.
 
Celine Dion kind of put everything in perspective. The money will help later. What's important now are the bare necessities. Food, water, some kind of shelter.
 
I hate to give props to Celine, but wow. Breaking into tears and song. Laying it all out there.
 
Wow, Magic with a coherent response, and Celine Dion breaking down with real emotion.. hopefully the money will reach the people who need it.
 
Another Storm Possible in Hard-Hit Region

Katrina may seem like the last word in hurricanes, but there is a very real possibility that another major hurricane may hit New Orleans or some other portion of the 200-mile coastline devastated by Katrina in the weeks to come.

"We're not out of the woods yet," said Susan Cutter, director of the University of South Carolina Hazards Research Laboratory. "We're not even in the height of hurricane season."

A forecast released Friday by meteorologists at Colorado State University calls for six more hurricanes by the time the hurricane season ends on Nov. 30, three of them Category 3 or above. On average, about one major hurricane in three makes landfall in the United States.

"We expect that by the time the 2005 hurricane season is over, we will witness tropical cyclone activity at near record levels," the Colorado State meteorologists wrote.

So far there have been four hurricanes this year — Katrina, Irene, Emily and Dennis, a Category 3 storm that caused more than $1 billion in damage to the Florida panhandle in July. There have been nine tropical storms.

That puts this season's tropical cyclone activity to date above the average for an entire year, the Colorado State forecast noted. In a more normal year, Mother Nature has produced about a third of her annual allotment of hurricanes and tropical storms by this point in the season.

No major storms currently threaten the U.S. coastline. The latest report from the National Weather Service mentions only Tropical Storm Maria.

"Maria could be near hurricane strength by Sunday," said Jack Beven, a meteorologist at the National Hurricane Center in Miami.

The storm is not currently expected to reach the U.S. mainland.

The number and intensity of hurricanes is largely determined by water temperatures at the sea surface. This year the waters of the tropical Atlantic, Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico are about as warm as they ever get.

If a major hurricane were to make landfall somewhere on the U.S. coast in the next two months, with the situation in Louisiana and Mississippi still demanding such a large portion of the nation's emergency management resources, mounting another relief effort would certainly be more difficult than usual. But as Florida demonstrated when four hurricanes passed through the state in seven weeks last year, repeated storms are not necessarily unmanageable.

"It would be a challenge, but I don't think it would be catastrophic," Cutter said.

And in many respects another hurricane in the area already devastated by Katrina would only add insult to injury.

"It sounds horrible, but it may not be that bad," Cutter said. "The sad thing is that most of the damage has already been done."

But in New Orleans itself, any violent weather threatens to expand the gaping holes that Katrina opened in the city's flood control infrastructure.

"Even a tropical storm I think would wreak havoc," said Joannes Westerink, a civil engineer at the University of Notre Dame who produces computer simulations of storm surges for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, the Federal Emergency Management Agency and other clients.

Even the daily tidal flows of Lake Pontchartrain threaten to aggravate the conditions left by Hurricane Katrina, he said.

Westerink said he and his colleagues have started working on simulations depicting the effects of a hurricane on the New Orleans levee system in its current state. They expect to have a complete picture in a few days of what another hurricane could do to the city.

New Orleans also remains vulnerable to a Mississippi River flood brought on by heavy rains upstream. But the usual flooding season for the river is spring and early summer.
 
My father told me of someone he knows said that 19 vehicles have been stolen outside the Astrodome. I sympahthize with the refugees, but if they tried to steal my car I'd would unleash my vengeance upon them.
 
OpinionatedCyborg said:
As of now, I'm unsure how much of the blame Ray Nagin should shoulder. After all, he only called for a mandatory evacuation 1 day before the biggest storm in recent memory hit. He also neglected to supply the Superdome with enough food and fresh water for the people there, which was a huge oversight considering it was the main refuge for New Orleans' survivors. Buses, which could've been used to evacuate people, were left on low ground and are now inaccessible due to flooding.

You're looking at this the wrong way. There are 2 entirely seperate issues. Pre-disaster and post-disaster. Pre-disaster certainly you can blame the local authorities. I have no knowledge of specifics such as what powers and responsibilities Nagin has, so I can't say whether he is to blame or not. But the New Orleans authorities and the people within them didn't prepare as good as they should have. The same applies to the federal government. However all this can be blamed on a political culture problem, hindsight is always 20/20, and it really is just typical politics. There is also a case to be made that local authorities were powerless because of a shortfall in funding, which would put the greater blame on the government.

The real issue is post disaster. It looks like Nagin has done as good a job as he could. In fact he seems to be the one politician that actually had a grasp of reality. However everyone else, including Bush, Cheney and the others have failed. They should have been focusing on this as much as or more than they focused on 9/11. They should have been working round the clock on this disaster from the moment it became clear that major damage was done(within hours of it striking). The same applies to many organisations working below them.

There has been, put simply, a mass dereliction of duty. You don't pussyfoot around when there's a natural disaster. In doing so, well, every one hour delay can means 100s of people dead who could have been saved.
 
To add to the Houston reaction, everyone feels sorry for them and the citizens have given a load of money and time. But as I said like 5 pages ago, this is going to be a hell of a strain on Houston. A city have has lost more jobs in the last few years than at any point in history. Also...the concerns about crime are founded in truth. I talked to a deputy last night and he did say there has been an increase in petty crimes in the SW part of town, where the Astrodome is. The city cares about the victims, but at the same time they don't want to become victims themselves.

The major concern is that you know that alot of those same people who were raping, beating people, shooting at rescuers are now in Houston. The fact is the area around the Astrodome is poor already, and they don't need to be living in fear that these thugs will prey on them, trying to "Claim their turf". Before you start saying Houston has no heart or whatever, think of that. The victims will be here for months, I just hope that the rotten apples don't create a backlash against all the victims and support for them dwindles.
 
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