Night Hunter
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Yep. I mean all the later philosophical stuff with Samaritan vs. The Machine aside, some of the instances of 'rich white dude knows what's best for absolutely everyone' were pretty horrifying.
I finally worked out why Dark Knight Rises irritates me (spoilers)
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Yep. I mean all the later philosophical stuff with Samaritan vs. The Machine aside, some of the instances of 'rich white dude knows what's best for absolutely everyone' were pretty horrifying.
BlazinSkatinAxel
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I hated the 8 year skip as well as long with Bane sending him to the prison (someone should have saved him instead), the 6 month skip, and Bane's anti climatic death.
clevbrowns94
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There's so many plot holes and stupidity in the film that I can't even get into all of it. The cops charging like Braveheart, the cops all getting trapped in the sewer, the dumb Wall Street type heist, the opening scene, etc. Ultimately, it feels like a 25 percent tomatometer film, and if not for Nolan's name and the goodwill from the Dark Knight, it may have been like that. I can't believe it actually got an 87 percent fresh rating.
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It's my favourite from that trilogy. Love the pit scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjffIi2Pl7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjffIi2Pl7M
Glory Fades
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Best opening 15 min and best closing I have ever seen in a movie, period.
Also Bat v Bane fight is one of the most well written scenes I have ever witnessed. The dialogue is legend.
Also Bat v Bane fight is one of the most well written scenes I have ever witnessed. The dialogue is legend.
And don't put a Mortal Kombat jock strap on his face
Dash_Riprock
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Darth Pinche
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I am glad that I'm not the only one who immediately thinks of that whenever this movie comes up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkMPZ7WeDck
This is not a caaaaaaaaaaaarrrr!
Yeah, there is far too much wrong with it, simple stuff that you can't believe was allowed to happen. I don't think anybody wanted to do that film, very sloppy.
Prime crotch
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Can't say I really agree with you, I'd have to rewatch DKR though to freshen up, but what makes the movie salvageable is Gotham by the end being back to the same cycle of escalation and idolatry that caused the same problems as before. A sour ending, for sure, but a lesser movie would have made it all "a-ok" by the end, instead of just leaving Bruce with a happy ending.
As for Bane, I'm split on hating and loving the key moment where he becomes fake Bane: when Talia is revealed/hinted at, he his deflated like a hot air balloon and becomes just a goon that can be easily thrown around. even his words ring hollow afterwards.
It's not a as well thought up movie as Dark Knight, but for the sheer ambition of it I still quite enjoy it. That and both Joker and Bane were fantastic villains that struck a chord with people and an actual modern anxiety.
As for Bane, I'm split on hating and loving the key moment where he becomes fake Bane: when Talia is revealed/hinted at, he his deflated like a hot air balloon and becomes just a goon that can be easily thrown around. even his words ring hollow afterwards.
It's not a as well thought up movie as Dark Knight, but for the sheer ambition of it I still quite enjoy it. That and both Joker and Bane were fantastic villains that struck a chord with people and an actual modern anxiety.
HyperCroutons
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You make good points but the point of the League of Shadows in the Batman universe is to purge civilizations that are corrupt or crime ridden, the Gotham wealthy were taking advantage of the system so the LOS decided to finish the job Ra's al Ghul attempted to do in Begins. In Batman Begins for example the Mob was in control of most of the city and the cops were corrupt so Ra's and the LOS felt it was necessary to wipe Gotham off the face of the map. I will admit it is funny how a wealthy billionaire is necessary to save Gotham but that could be said about a lot of Batman stories. Overall though I didn't really like DKR, I especially didn't like how they used a bomb (that will destroy the city) as a plot device for the conclusion really un-imaginative.
DustyVonEric
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Interesting OP
I still feel it's my second favorite in trilogy; Begins being #1 and Dark Knight coming in third. All are closely ranked and almost even for me though.
Both BB and Rises feel like more intelligent films to me that explore Bruce's sacrifices, drive, and what it means to be Batman more than DK, which is a straight up an awesome explosion of Joker pandemonium.
I still feel it's my second favorite in trilogy; Begins being #1 and Dark Knight coming in third. All are closely ranked and almost even for me though.
Both BB and Rises feel like more intelligent films to me that explore Bruce's sacrifices, drive, and what it means to be Batman more than DK, which is a straight up an awesome explosion of Joker pandemonium.
tearsintherain
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I was irritated by the movie because I couldn't understand a fucking thing Bane was saying in movie theaters.
Love the actor, but man that was just such a shit character, especially after playing the video games.
but yeah I'd agree with OPs points, never really thought about it but the little political spins in the movie were weird and in-congruent and was really hard to take seriously.
Love the actor, but man that was just such a shit character, especially after playing the video games.
but yeah I'd agree with OPs points, never really thought about it but the little political spins in the movie were weird and in-congruent and was really hard to take seriously.
thelastcrusader
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Imo this is hands down a shit movie. So many little things bother me about it and good on you OP for catching some of them. Batman Begins and the Dark Knight were both good movies but this one....I refuse to even put it in my collection.
The fact that the criminals weren't able to mow them down before they closed, is even dumber.
I never got the criticism here.
Her entire character was a bratty kid trying to outdo her father, and she failed completely. Fitting that she dies pathetically and hilariously in contrast to her dads dignified as fuck exit.
Love the idea that his clean energy project is used by the LOS to hold the city hostage. I didn't like that it forced the final act into a race-against-time rushed conclusion but I didn't have an issue with it as a conceit
Besides how else would a small group of mercenaries hold a city hostage?
Skiptastic
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Well, given that I love The Dark Knight Rises, I must say that I disagree with some of your premises and your conclusion, but it is well thought out and stated, so cheers for that!
Return of the Jedi, just like TDKR, is a great movie. So you are right, they are very similar. Just not in the way you mention.
Fancy Clown
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A big reason why I didn't like it was because it was edited like shit. Like jarringly bad. The whole thing felt like almost like a rough cut.
sans_pants
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Nolan was completely checked out by the end of the trilogy. Sad!
Yes. Why no Penguin?
Powerful agents to the uninitiated. But we are initiated, aren't we, JB?
Bane has the best dialogue of any supervillain.
My friends and I play Overwatch and sometimes one of them will play a YouTube video in the background and everyone in the party suddenly hears
"Ahhhh you think DARKNESS is your ally?"
Astral Dog
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I thought the point was that Bane was expulsed from the LoS because his metods were considered too "dangerous" and the revolution was little more than a plot to get revenge on Batman for killing Ra and the LoS, at least thats what Bane said.
LOLOLOLOL
Yeah, for any faults I had with TDKR, Bane's dialogue was definitely not one of them.
HyperCroutons
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Yea that's a good point, guess a nuke is the best way to keep a city hostage. I guess one thing that annoyed me too is that Batman: Arkham City had a more interesting set-up to why a part of Gotham was on lock-down than DKR.
Setzer
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I agree.
Nolan should have done Two-Face and Riddler, and have the story be about how Batman is trying to play damage control over the whole "Harvey Dent Was Killed" thing.
I wanted that funeral to be staged so badly. Have Riddler actively working to discredit GCPD and expose Bruce as Batman if he didn't solve his puzzles.
Multiple people let out an audible chuckle when Talia died. That was one of the dumbest things I've seen in years.
I wanted that funeral to be staged so badly. Have Riddler actively working to discredit GCPD and expose Bruce as Batman if he didn't solve his puzzles.
Multiple people let out an audible chuckle when Talia died. That was one of the dumbest things I've seen in years.
Dreams-Visions
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Yes, this.
Almost the first post. Almost!
FreshCakes
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Hell no, should've taken place right after Dent's death and should've been about Batman's redemption
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Deleted member 80556
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Took you that long to figure it out?
Heck, the "WHERE'S THE TRIGGER" scene didn't show you that?
Glory Fades
Banned
I think you mean dialed in, right?
Henchmen21
Banned
This is why 89 is always the best Batman film. It doesn't have its head stuck up its own ass.
I've said constantly that the Nolan movies are for Psych 101 majors. People want to believe that those movies have some hidden depths to them but they can't because they signpost every thought and every intent. Characters don't show you how they feel, they tell you how they feel (and how you should feel). They're one-dimensional. There are no hidden layers when the dialogue has them spouting all of their intentions.
I've said constantly that the Nolan movies are for Psych 101 majors. People want to believe that those movies have some hidden depths to them but they can't because they signpost every thought and every intent. Characters don't show you how they feel, they tell you how they feel (and how you should feel). They're one-dimensional. There are no hidden layers when the dialogue has them spouting all of their intentions.
Dash_Riprock
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No instead its stuck up Tim Burton's ass.
Can't think of a single film that has aged more horribly than the 89 film. Well, maybe Batman Returns.
The Cretan
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I disagree. Bale shows how he feels in every movie. In Batman Begins, he lets the bats fly near him and he tries to overcome his fear. In the dark knight, he is very angry at Joker during the interrogation scene. Also, you can see how much he loves Rachel when he says that he will go to her location. In the dark knight rises, watch his face right before he makes the final jump or when he gets stabbed by Talia. Caine shows his emotions, too.
This can't be quoted enough. I couldn't believe it made it into the film. Just terrible. While still a great trilogy, this movie is definitely the weakest of the three.
This isn't what the thread is about, but I'm still in disbelief at that scene. Truly awful in every sense of the word, and that's mild. Bane's death was wildly anticlimactic too.
sans_pants
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they really shied away from any sort of detective or master martial artist stuff for these movies
Yeah it was dumb as fuck how Batman's tactics after escaping the Pit are the same as what put him down there. He just punches Bane in the face. No tactics, or outsmarting him or getting under his skin. He just punches him.
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