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I miss Tupac Shakur

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bishoptl

Banstick Emeritus
I was unpacking the last few cardboard boxes from my move, and found a bunch of CDs I haven't listened to in quite some time. Seeing those Tupac albums released before his death (never bothered with the post-murder cash ins) brought back a LOT of memories.

2Pacalypse Now
Strictly For My NIGGAZ
Me Against The World
Thug Life Vol. 1

Even now, the anger, pain, and the hope resonate in his lyrics - and honestly, I could never really give a shit about gangster rap after real pioneers like NWA, Ice-T and DJ Quik laid the groundwork for a zillion shitty studio wannabes to ape - but listening to Tupac felt like he was walking you through exactly what you needed to see and experience, whether you wanted to or not. Eazy E may have referred to himself and NWA as street reporters, but Tupac perfected it to a T.

walk in the store, what's everybody starin at
they act like they've never seen a motherfucker wearing black
following a nigger and shit
ain't this a bitch
all I wanted was some chips


That feeling of marginalization certainly didn't help when asshole politicians looked to make their mark and get over on the real concerns the community had. Choosing to focus on how the message is delivered instead of the message itself. Sound familiar? It should. I remember the Republican's Golden Boy, Dan Quayle, demanding that 2Pac "withdraw this record (referring to "Violent", a cop-bashing tale from his first album), there's no place for it in our society. There's absolutely no reason for this record to be published". Funny how politicians are so quick to demonize those who point out the problems, instead of dealing with the problem itself. Always a place for racial profiling and cop beatdowns in our society, of course. And Clinton did it to Sister Souljah too, so you GOPers can put down your crayons. Everybody gets the finger.

unlock my brain, break the chains of your misery
this time the payback for evil shit you did to me
they call me militant, racist cuz I will resist
you wanna censor something, motherfucker censor this


If Tupac hadn't been killed, would he still be as strident now? Cooled down a bit, sold out a bit - maybe with his own show on Fox or UPN? Or would he have taken his voice into the political arena and really shaken things up? We'll never know - but even with all of the contradictions, the vitriol and the fingerpointing, the bravado, venomous hatred, his body of work still stands up now. And to this day:

1. "Hit 'Em Up" is the greatest diss track ever created.

2. Tupac > Biggie Smalls.

3. In the end, everybody gets the finger.

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I wish Tupac, Biggie, Easy E, and all the other fuckin pioneers would be resurrected just to see what rap is now. I swear to God, if Zombie Tupac murdered Ja Rule while Zombie Biggie ate 50 Cent, I would buy 10 copies of GTA: San Andreas.
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
Biggie was good, but he's responsible for Puffy AND Jay-Z, history cannot forgive that.
 
but even with all of the contradictions, the vitriol and the fingerpointing, the bravado, venomous hatred, his body of work still stands up now. And to this day:

1. "Hit 'Em Up" is the greatest diss track ever created.

2. Tupac > Biggie Smalls.

3. In the end, everybody gets the finger.

IAWTP 100%

Especially 2.Tupac > Biggie Smalls
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
The Bookerman said:
How can you miss the guy, he's still pimpin CD's even though he's been killed 8 years ago.

I doubt he's dead.

so do you think the emergency lung removal was faked/a lie?
 

DaCocoBrova

Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
2Pac > Biggie on work ethic alone. Dude recorded alot of material.

I didn't like hardly any of Pac's pre-Death Row shit except 'Outlaw' and a few others, mainly due to the sh!tty production.
 

karasu

Member
Brian Fellows said:
Tupac wins simply for not having a lisp.......oh and he could actually flow too. That always helps.


good god. Tupac's "flow" never advanced. It was exactly same on every single track, from the time he came on the scene with Digital Underground, to the day he was killed.
 

DaCocoBrova

Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
^^
Turn off the radio.

The only difference is that 'big business' has latched on, and we all know what happens to anything when the 'suits' get involved.

Great hip hop is all over...you just have to go and get it.




Quick question:

How do Caucasions and Black Canadians relate to 'Pac and the things he talks about?

The last time I made a harmless statement about one's 'blackness' I got banned for a really long time, so I'm in no way trying to offend anyone here (read: disclaimer for the sensitive).

That said, how do you relate to what 'Pac has to say...? Do you all listen to the lyrics?
 
If you want to like Pac for the content of his lyrics, okay, but understand that when you discuss his flow he is NOTHING next to Rakim, Kane, Kool G, Gran Pu, Special Ed, Slick Rick or more recently Casual, Del, Buck, or even Ish from Dig Plans. Flow, Pac could not.
 

bishoptl

Banstick Emeritus
I'm not going to speak for white folks, but I can tell you that racism, profiling, prejudice, discrimination and poverty exist everywhere, not just in the continental United States.

And for the burgeoning Tupac/Biggie sub-thread, I'm talking about his lyrics - not his flow. Biggie is still sitting in Pac's shadow whether you want to admit or not, though.
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
DaCocoBrova said:
^^


How do Caucasions and Black Canadians relate to 'Pac and the things he talks about?

The last time I made a harmless statement about one's 'blackness' I got banned for a really long time, so I'm in no way trying to offend anyone here (read: disclaimer for the sensitive).

That said, how do you relate to what 'Pac has to say...? Do you all listen to the lyrics?

are YOU living a thug life? I don't see how 99% of his or other "hard" rappers' listeners can legitamitely relate to the much of the lyrics... but that should not affect the ability to appreciate it.

I didn't grow up in poverty, nor did I witness the hardships of ghettos firsthand... yet I can understand Brenda's Got a Baby.
 

bishoptl

Banstick Emeritus
DaCocoBrova said:
bish -

Have you bought/rented/seen Tupac Ressurection?
Holding off on any sort of purchase - to be brutally honest, I'm really turned off by the cash cow Tupac's turned into, with the multiple posthumous album releases and whatnot. I'm not surprised, it's the way of the world, but it still bothers me a lot. I'll probably rent it now that my project is finished and I have some free time.
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Brian Fellows said:
Tupac wins simply for not having a lisp.......oh and he could actually flow too. That always helps.

Haha, someone's never listened to "Notorious Thugs."
 

karasu

Member
brooklyngooner said:
If you want to like Pac for the content of his lyrics, okay, but understand that when you discuss his flow he is NOTHING next to Rakim, Kane, Kool G, Gran Pu, Special Ed, Slick Rick or more recently Casual, Del, Buck, or even Ish from Dig Plans. Flow, Pac could not.


I applaud you fine sir. Pip pip.
 

andthebeatgoeson

Junior Member
I'll log my vote for Biggie. 2 albums changed the game.

Although, I have some hard feelings about the heirs to his throne. Years after Hammer did his public sellout, people like Nas get to switch personas throughout their entire careers without a peep. I blame jiggy. Whoever came up with the word Jiggy should be shot.
 
Hit Em' up is overrated
Tupac > Biggie
Tupac may not have had the best flow or lyricism and seemingly condradicted himself on subject matter but he was the most charismatic emcee so far.
Simply put a lot of people could relate to him.
Sure poverty is not a topic a lot of his audience could relate with him to, but hope is. Me against the world is a prime example of that.
 

Malakhov

Banned
I don't like rap music at all but I could listen to some of Tupac's songs so that tells you how good he was. I liked some of his smooth songs like I ain't mad at cha etc.. etc... but that's about it.
 

andthebeatgoeson

Junior Member
I don't like rock but I like Hoobastank...does that make them good? :p





BTW. I'm lying. I thought they were a girl group from that Mastercard commercial about a year ago where you could win a job with them or something.
 

Malakhov

Banned
skinnyrattler said:
I don't like rock but I like Hoobastank...does that make them good? :p
You don't understand, I REALLY don't like rap. I can't stand it at all, it makes me sick. When it plays in clubs I gotta f'king leave or I become agressive.
 

methodman

Banned
TUPAC = THE GREATEST EVER. I own every single CD he has released, before and after his death. Hes fucking incredible.

Me Against The World = the best cd ever released. (Hes invincible).

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DaCocoBrova

Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
Holding off on any sort of purchase - to be brutally honest, I'm really turned off by the cash cow Tupac's turned into, with the multiple posthumous album releases and whatnot. I'm not surprised, it's the way of the world, but it still bothers me a lot. I'll probably rent it now that my project is finished and I have some free time.

Buy it.

Seriously.
 

Ramirez

Member
DaCocoa,Tupac talks briefly about his white fans in Tupac Ressurection...he seemed to have no problem with white people liking his music.I can't relate to the ghetto life,but stuff like "Dear Momma" I can relate to,because my mom was always there while my dad wasn't.You don't have to be a thugged out G to relate :p

Oh yea,"Starin Through My Rearview"=best Pac song EVAR :D
 
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