Near enough to 5850 performance at $70 less and overclocks like a beast whilst offering all the advantages nvidia cards do. Completely smashes the 5770. The 5770 is hands down the most overpriced card in years, lower than 4870 performance for 4890 prices was just ridiculous when it came out and is just as ridiclulous today. The release of the 460 should hopefully mean that ATI lowers the price of the 5830 and 5770 to where they belong.evil solrac v3.0 said:
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So between the 460 that is $227 shipped and this 5850 which is $270 shipped (with promo) is the 460 a better value?
I'm totally clueless when it comes to getting gpus that are fresh on the market and not sure if it's riskier or if their design is improved relatively quickly. This is the last component I need ot build my PC and would love to get it out of the way this week but will there be more companies coming out with 460s really soon that could be better or cheaper?
I'm totally clueless when it comes to getting gpus that are fresh on the market and not sure if it's riskier or if their design is improved relatively quickly. This is the last component I need ot build my PC and would love to get it out of the way this week but will there be more companies coming out with 460s really soon that could be better or cheaper?
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hmm, then i guess i will upgrade from my 260 SLI toa 460 SLI. has a nice ring to it too.
bout time Nvidia released a good Fermi. I was scared for a while there that ATI would run away with it and just rehash this year. Hopefully the 460 forces their hand to lower prices of current chips and innovate more in the future. Nvidia has pushed into ATI's backyard, the mid range chip. Also one that isn't just the previous gen re-badged.
Can't wait to see what ATI do in response. Finally after nearly ONE YEAR the DX11 war gets into swing.
Can't wait to see what ATI do in response. Finally after nearly ONE YEAR the DX11 war gets into swing.
Thanks guys. Sounds like I'll be ordering the 460 tomorrow morning. Here's a list of what my build will be. I haven't opened anything so if I screwed up with some component I'd appreciate a heads up.Hazaro said:
Total with the 460 will be $1150 shipped. Just counting the tower it'll be $870. Pretty proud of my deal hunting and really excited to put it together. Will post pics.
Looks great.EazyB said:
Grab a 212+ from Amazon (the fufillment option $29 [in stock]):
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002G1YPH0/?tag=neogaf0e-20
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Again... Fuck me!!!!!! I bought 1GB HD 5770 a week ago for $160. Should I return it and get GTX 460 instead?
The ones linked are $20 cheaper and reflect the real and not inflated price of the cooler. Newegg only put the price up as people discovered that this $30 cooler performed as well as significantly more expensive ones.EazyB said:Right there on the bottom of my list
Hell yes. Even if the 460 wasn't out you still overpaid for that card since it is so horribly overpriced.shagg_187 said:
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Son of a bitch. Gotta fill up the Return form tomorrow and contact NCIX as soon as possible along with this piece of shit hard drive that I got that BSOD on me once a day during restart.
What's the minimum PSU requirement for GTX 460?
What's the minimum PSU requirement for GTX 460?
any comments on this psu http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182199
I am having problems that seem like video card problems but EVGA will not rma my card until I test with a 500W psu with 36A on +12V that I have no access at all to. So I have to run at 100% fan and still put up with PC death during some games or throw money in the trash. not sure if i will buy one or not yet.
I am having problems that seem like video card problems but EVGA will not rma my card until I test with a 500W psu with 36A on +12V that I have no access at all to. So I have to run at 100% fan and still put up with PC death during some games or throw money in the trash. not sure if i will buy one or not yet.
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Is the stock fan good enough for an AMD Phenom II 1055T OC'ed to 4GHz?
TheHeretic
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Grayman said:
Rosewill is not a good brand. Go for Seasonic or Corsair. OCZ also has a very cheap 500W PSU for what it is.
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Mr_Brit said:
Thanks. I'm going to hold off and enjoy the stock speed for about a month and see if I really want to do that.
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I installed RivaTuner and got it working after some troubles yesterday and unlike speedfan it said my GPU fan was at 40%, bumped it up to about 65% with a small increase in noise but a nice reduction in idle heat, dropping my card from about 50C average down to 46C 
I can live with the little extra noise if it means my gpu stays cooler, will test out the best fan speed to heat drop ratio later today.
I can live with the little extra noise if it means my gpu stays cooler, will test out the best fan speed to heat drop ratio later today.
You might want to give MSI Afterburner a try since you can easily set up fan control.Diablohead said:I installed RivaTuner and got it working after some troubles yesterday and unlike speedfan it said my GPU fan was at 40%, bumped it up to about 65% with a small increase in noise but a nice reduction in idle heat, dropping my card from about 50C average down to 46C
I can live with the little extra noise if it means my gpu stays cooler, will test out the best fan speed to heat drop ratio later today.
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1702
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I read the Nvidia 460 review. It's a good card for the price but not a substantial upgrade for me considering I have a 4890. With the last round of video card releases from ATI and Nvidia, they definitely aimed their cards for the high-end.
But I'm thinking of moving the guts in my current desktop to a HTPC (Q6600, 4890, 750GB HD, 6GB RAM and Xifi sound card).
So I'll give it a week or two to see how the prices settle. I'd like to build a rig with the higher-price AMD X6 processor. I'll probably throw in the 460 or the 5850 if comes down in price.
But I'm thinking of moving the guts in my current desktop to a HTPC (Q6600, 4890, 750GB HD, 6GB RAM and Xifi sound card).
So I'll give it a week or two to see how the prices settle. I'd like to build a rig with the higher-price AMD X6 processor. I'll probably throw in the 460 or the 5850 if comes down in price.
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Mr_Brit said:
Try harder, most overpriced card in years? It's been the card of choice for many a respected PC guides (and was almost universally praised at release), including the Tech Report one. :lol
It was selling for $125 at times w/ rebates, and for $250 you got SLI performance that beat the $400 5870 and the GTX 470, holding it's own against the 480 for almost half the price.
Okay, so since I won't be using my HD4850 in my new build, I'm going to be selling it. A buddy at work has a 4850 also, but how similar do the cards have to be? He has the 1gb model, mine is the 512mb.
His card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131163
My card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102901&Tpk=sapphire 512mb 4850
Would these be possible to crossfire? Would they run as a 512mb pair? He runs at 1680x1050, would he see a huge performance boost? I'm going to sell it for $50-75 so would it be worth it for him?
His card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131163
My card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102901&Tpk=sapphire 512mb 4850
Would these be possible to crossfire? Would they run as a 512mb pair? He runs at 1680x1050, would he see a huge performance boost? I'm going to sell it for $50-75 so would it be worth it for him?
I need to get a new PSU and need some advice. If I'm looking to upgrade to a i5/i7 down the road, and want the option to upgrade to a dual-graphics cards build, what's the recommended wattage (don't post the Newegg calculator, it doesn't work at my office)?
I see a lot of builds on here using the Corsair 750 HX. Newegg has the 750 TX for $30 less. What's the difference between the two?
I see a lot of builds on here using the Corsair 750 HX. Newegg has the 750 TX for $30 less. What's the difference between the two?
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Mr_Brit said:
:lol
Now we're getting a bit ridiculous.
For $160 it's not a bad card at all. It would be nice to see it down to $130 (which given GPU history is where it should be), but in the end the 5770 is still a fast card that plays just about everything out there at 1650x.
But yes, the 460 at around $200 is a better buy. I wouldn't get anything but the 1GB version though.
Mr_Brit's posts on the topic of Ati/Nvidia can get a bit out of hand.
Welcome to the GPU market. Prices are relative.
Minsc said:
Exactly. Mr_Brit's been going on about this for awhile now, and his colors show.
I haven't said anything because I've seen him offer help in other areas, but his GPU advice needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Just a warning to less PC knowledgeable members of the forum.
gregor7777 said:
Lol Wut. I only offer advice based on bang for buck and not company. ATI have for the last two years offered bang for buck and are the way to go and still are in most cases with great bang for buck GPUs such as the 4870 and 4890. It's just that I was tired of seeing the 5770 recommended when it was so ridiculously overpriced. Here in the UK a new 5770 is around $80 more than a used 4870 and still doesn't offer the same level of performance.You can even pick up new 4890s for the same money which completely smash a 5770 and are much more futureproof. Up until the launch of the 460 ATI have been the way to go for every price segment unless you specifically wanted 3D, physx etc. Outside of this price segment ATI still have the upper hand and can lower the price of the 5870 to 470 levels at anytime. ATI have also annoyed me with their reluctance to support the PC games industry when nvidia spend millions supporting smaller devs making ambitious games which push the industry forward such as Metro 2033.
gregor7777 said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131328&cm_re=5770-_-14-131-328-_-Product
Newegg has the 5770 for $135, theres a rebate for $20 too if youre up for it. No need to rag on it Brit
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kagete said:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131328&cm_re=5770-_-14-131-328-_-Product
Newegg has the 5770 for $135, theres a rebate for $20 too if youre up for it. No need to rag on it Brit
Again, exactly my point. It's the perfect price for the card,and historically, it slots it right where it should be.
We can look back at your hyperbole on this page alone to prove my point. You've also brought up the dev support in several different threads now. We get it. It colors your view of the companies.
The 5770 is priced (MSRP) about $30 higher than it historically should be. That can't be argued. $30 is not worthy of the hyperbole you spew. Sorry.
My complaints stem more from the UK pricing where it is horribly overpriced, we don't have rebates here in the UK. In the UK you can pick up a 4890 for 5770 prices and anyone with a brain would choose the superior former option.kagete said:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131328&cm_re=5770-_-14-131-328-_-Product
Newegg has the 5770 for $135, theres a rebate for $20 too if youre up for it. No need to rag on it Brit
Again. Not everyone is from the US, check the username it should give you a hint.gregor7777 said:
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Mr_Brit said:
But most of us are from the US, and you're not being clear about that when you give out your "advice" on GPUs. This is a US based forum after all, and most of us link to Newegg.
With rebates the 5770 is slotted right where it should be.
So I take it you ask a person whether they're from the US or not before giving them GPU advice? Thought not. Move on. My username should make it plenty clear before you start accusing me of being an nvidia troll based on the fact that I bashed one of ATIs GPUs whilst praising the rest of their lineup.gregor7777 said:
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Mr_Brit said:
Actually, yes I would. I think that's probably the first thing you should ask if they haven't already posted a newegg or other US based retailer link. Don't you think that's relevant?
I never said you were a troll. I said you made good use of hyperbole and that your statements on pricing of GPUs should be taken with a grain of salt. One look at this page alone proves me right.
I guess qualifying statements should be expected. It's not the best default option but without anyone explicitly saying so, we assume a US-based price/performance recommendation whenever someone speaks up. I'm not ragging on Canada but everyone from on there usually prefaces or postscripts their posts by saying where they're from so ymmv and prices will be higher etc.
Most everyone here will have recommendations based on experience with RMA, retail, affordability, options for zero tax and free/fast shipping. Recommendations about buying used and from ebay should be taken with a grain of salt. I can recommend newegg, amazon, avadirect, and even that weird ebiz/superwiiz site without any qualms because I have personally spent thousands of dollars with them and loved the experience and products bought.
Competition is good! I was 100% set on buying the 5850 as I had nothing but great experiences with a near-immortal and still strong 4850, and a mobile 4650 laptop, and a mobile 5650 laptop I bought for a friend. And look at me, I ordered the 460, 15 minutes after the embargo lifted and I was able to read tom's review.
Most everyone here will have recommendations based on experience with RMA, retail, affordability, options for zero tax and free/fast shipping. Recommendations about buying used and from ebay should be taken with a grain of salt. I can recommend newegg, amazon, avadirect, and even that weird ebiz/superwiiz site without any qualms because I have personally spent thousands of dollars with them and loved the experience and products bought.
Competition is good! I was 100% set on buying the 5850 as I had nothing but great experiences with a near-immortal and still strong 4850, and a mobile 4650 laptop, and a mobile 5650 laptop I bought for a friend. And look at me, I ordered the 460, 15 minutes after the embargo lifted and I was able to read tom's review.
brain_stew
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Mr_Brit said:
They would? Half the power consumption, triple monitor support, better HD audio support, lower temps, a smaller size and DX11 support make that far from a clear choice for everybody, especially when the gap is only 20% at most. What sort of revisionist history is this anyway, 4890s were as rare as hen's teeth since before the 5770 even launched, its more than a litle stupid calling a card shitty because its not as fast as a card that you can't even buy anymore.
Your comments were silly hyperbole, accept it and move on. This thread is supposed to be about helping others, not pushing agendas.
Oh, and yes, if you do not explicitly state so then your post will be taken as a comment based on the US perspective regardless of what your avater or username is, there's plenty of us Brits living in the states. This has always been the case in this thread and always will be since it makes the most sense and I'm saying this as a poster from the UK.
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alanias said:
At <$150, yes.
brain_stew
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kagete said:
Yeah, this is a smart suggestion actually, especially considering you'd have good future upgrade options if you go with an AM3 build. You could always perform a stock cooling/volts OC to bump up the speed of the Athlon ii a little as well.
I wouldn't, the PII and i5 are a lot better in gaming and are more futureproof. It's also been shown that PII consistently overclock better and most reach 4+GHZ compared to the AII which reach only around 3.5GHZ. Ofcourse the i5 OCs better than both and will defintely reach 4GHZ at leastbut comes with a bigger price tag.kagete said:
brain_stew said:
the 4890 was pretty abundant through all summer last year, dropping down to £130 while the 5770 was retailing for £150+. the 5770 was a total washout at the price it was introduced at and marked the end of a golden era for gpu value. i think it's disingenuous to argue that the efficiency of the model excuses the fact that in pure performance terms we were paying the same price as we did 6 months before for a chip with 20% less horsepower, only in the last few months has the 5770 has dropped down to a more respectable £110.
there hasn't really been a trailblazing mid range gpu and while the 5830 fills the performance void that the discontinuation of 4890 left, its price makes it a hard sell. the fact is we should've seen 5850's begin to creep down to the £180 mark a long time ago and the gtx 460 is the first sign that those of us mid-rangers, so enamored with the previous two card generations, have something to get excited about.
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Mr_Brit said:
A faster GPU will net him better frames than a faster CPU will. An OCed Athlon ii x4 isn't going to bottleneck a GTX 460 in anything. If you wants better performance in games then the choice is obvious.
Mr_Brit said:
with all that said, there is every chance i'd have still recommended a 5770 at their >£110 mark for mid-rangers, but it would have been with a sigh rather than an exclamation.
"see if you can find a 4890 or cheap 4870/260" would have of course been the default.
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I bought my 4890 last year for 200 dollars, they weren't rare it was just one brand model that was rare and would sale out real fast. I had to settle for the Vapor X 4890 with the mild over clock because the atomic version was super rare. I thought the 5770 was a shit card for the price and performance and that the 5850 was pretty much on par a 4890 with like a 10% performance bump.
Any who ATI's drivers suck one year with drivers that would unfix previous problems and having BFBC2 take three months to fix with loading issue when it was a game supported by them is a joke. Next gen card i am going back to green team.
Any who ATI's drivers suck one year with drivers that would unfix previous problems and having BFBC2 take three months to fix with loading issue when it was a game supported by them is a joke. Next gen card i am going back to green team.