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toasty_T said:
What dictates the minimum fps in a game? Is it all GPU dependent? I'm seeing some pretty deep holes in the games I play, especially Borderlands which I am now convinced runs like shit in general. I thought I'd be playing that game with some AA at a smooth 60fps but now I've had to lock it at 30 without AA because it jumps around between 30-120fps.

Also, what is a good max voltage for CPU overclocking? I thought I found something pretty stable after a couple of hours of Prime95 testing only to have an inexplicable BSOD from a youtube video. I'm concerned about going passed 1.4V. It this justified?

Borderlands does run like shit, so don't worry about that. The easiest way to see if you're CPU limited is to run task manager in the background while you game for a bit while suffering slow-downs, then alt-tabbing and looking at your cpu usage. If all your cores are stressed to the limit, you're definitely cpu-limited, if only some of the cores stressed, then the game you're playing isn't multithreaded properly.

What cpu do you have? Anything modern that's considered to be "high end" shouldn't limit you unless you're aiming for 120fps.

Also, there is no blanket "Max Voltage" for CPUs. Every model is different, even then every stepping of every model is different. I suggest looking at what your cpu revision is in cpu-z and then looking around the net and see what other people are doing to OC your cpu.
 
toasty_T said:
What dictates the minimum fps in a game? Is it all GPU dependent? I'm seeing some pretty deep holes in the games I play, especially Borderlands which I am now convinced runs like shit in general. I thought I'd be playing that game with some AA at a smooth 60fps but now I've had to lock it at 30 without AA because it jumps around between 30-120fps.

Also, what is a good max voltage for CPU overclocking? I thought I found something pretty stable after a couple of hours of Prime95 testing only to have an inexplicable BSOD from a youtube video. I'm concerned about going passed 1.4V. It this justified?


Its very often the CPU actually, although scenes that throw up lots of transparencies on top of the usual graphics can often quickly tank a framerate. It all depends really.

I'd recommend using triple buffering if you want to cut out some of the harsh framerate drops, though that might help you as it appears you're not using standard v-sync as it is.

Borderlands performs like complete shit on ATI hardware so that could be a possible explanation. Least you're not playing the PS3 version, the framerate in that version is supposed to be way beyond a joke.
 
TouchMyBox said:
Anybody in southern ontario who wants a good gaming laptop, NCIX's new markham retail store is going to be selling the Asus G73JH-B1 for a cool $999 tomorrow morning.

That price is so low it's stupid.
Jeez that's ridiculous. That's an $1800 CAD machine.
 
My CPU is a Q6600@3.0Ghz. I had it at 3.2 for a while at 1.3875V but it failed as I mentioned earlier, I think it needs a tiny bit more juice.

It looks like a CPU upgrade is on the horizon then and most likely a new mobo+ram and maybe a case :(

Any recommendations on a nice non-gamey looking case with all the new standards (tool-less everything and cable management holes)? I like the new Corsair 600T but it's getting a significant mark-up here in Oz ($259 when it should be <$200). Are there any similarly featured perhaps cheaper compromises?
 
I decided that it seems as if either both of my RAM sticks are bad or there is some incompatibility between the memory controller on my X4 635 and the G.Skill DDR3 1600 RAM I purchased from Newegg. I think it is the latter.

So after work today I stopped by CompUSA and picked up a Corsair XMS3 memory kit. DDR3 1333 2x2GB. My idea is I will test to see if I can rum memtest86+ and HCI memtest with this memory without getting errors. Kit comes out to $78 after rebate, which ends up being less than what I paid for the G.Skill at Newegg.

If the memory works, I RMA the G.Skill and get money back without having to wait a week for a replacement. If it doesn't, I just return the Corsair to the store and keep the G.Skill and continue troubleshooting.

So far so good though. Ran HCI memtest with only one stick of the Corsair for about 6 hours. Did like 500 passes. Not one error. Now I will leave it running overnight with both sticks. Hope it works.
 
toasty_T said:
Any recommendations on a nice non-gamey looking case with all the new standards (tool-less everything and cable management holes)? I like the new Corsair 600T but it's getting a significant mark-up here in Oz ($259 when it should be <$200). Are there any similarly featured perhaps cheaper compromises?

I just got the Coolermaster CM690 II Basic for one of my machines and it packs a whole lot of features and is made of really high quality metal for the $70 CDN i paid for it. You can also turn the fan LEDs on and off via a button, making it the Mullet of computer cases.
 
toasty_T said:
My CPU is a Q6600@3.0Ghz. I had it at 3.2 for a while at 1.3875V but it failed as I mentioned earlier, I think it needs a tiny bit more juice.

It looks like a CPU upgrade is on the horizon then and most likely a new mobo+ram and maybe a case :(

Any recommendations on a nice non-gamey looking case with all the new standards (tool-less everything and cable management holes)? I like the new Corsair 600T but it's getting a significant mark-up here in Oz ($259 when it should be <$200). Are there any similarly featured perhaps cheaper compromises?

The Q6600 is good upto 1.5v assuming its a G0 and you can keep it cool. It probably has more left in it, so I wouldn't give up on it yet. I'm sure it can last the 6 months until Sandy Bridge hits at the very least.
 
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=54386&vpn=64225&manufacture=Steelseries&promoid=1053

This keyboard/Steel Series any good? Looking for a new keyboard. My wireless one is shitting out on me :{

TouchMyBox said:
I just got the Coolermaster CM690 II Basic for one of my machines and it packs a whole lot of features and is made of really high quality metal for the $70 CDN i paid for it. You can also turn the fan LEDs on and off via a button, making it the Mullet of computer cases.
I have the same case. Looks great. the mesh front great for cooling. I moved the fan to the top/back and now it's a good working light when I'm doing stuff in the case :lol
 
Hey guys, my birthday is coming up, and my dad keeps asking me what I want. So I'm looking to add something to my PC. Here's what I have at the moment:

AMD Phenom II X4 955
Gigabyte MA 790GP DS4H (This one's AM2+ socket, so only DDR2)
4GB DDR2 800mhz
Horrible 450W PSU that came with my old Coolermaster Centurion 5 case
Radeon 4850
250GB HDD

And all that is inside a Lancool Dragonlord PC-K62 case.

Keep in mind that I will be updating everything within the next few months, just wondering what I should knock out first.
 
davonaytor said:
Hey guys, my birthday is coming up, and my dad keeps asking me what I want. So I'm looking to add something to my PC. Here's what I have at the moment:

AMD Phenom II X4 955
Gigabyte MA 790GP DS4H (This one's AM2+ socket, so only DDR2)
4GB DDR2 800mhz
Horrible 450W PSU that came with my old Coolermaster Centurion 5 case
Radeon 4850
250GB HDD

And all that is inside a Lancool Dragonlord PC-K62 case.

Keep in mind that I will be updating everything within the next few months, just wondering what I should knock out first.
Probably the PSU. Just so you have it.
 
ncix is opening in markham, ON with what looks like a crazy say 1 sale.

http://www.ncix.com/promo/promosale.php?webid=firstmarkhamstore2010

im interested in the following

powers supplies:

should i get:

$10 after MIR OCZ StealthXStream OCZ500SXS 500W ATX12V 24PIN Active PFC ATX Power Supply 120MM Fan Black

or

$50 after MIR Corsair VX550W 550W ATX 12V 41A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 120MM Fan

also getting:

$40 OCZ OCZ3G1333LV4GK 4GB DDR3 2X2GB DDR3-1333 PC3-10666 CL 9-9-9-20 Dual Channel Memory Kit

$15 ASUS DRW-24B1ST 24X SATA DVD Writer OEM Black

$200 Gigabyte GeForce GTX 460 Fermi 715MHZ 1Gb GDDR5 2XDVI Mini-HDMI PCI-E DX11 Video Card



fake edit: goddamit, it's 2 things per household >:[

what do i choose?
 
TouchMyBox said:
Anybody in southern ontario who wants a good gaming laptop, NCIX's new markham retail store is going to be selling the Asus G73JH-B1 for a cool $999 tomorrow morning.

That price is so low it's stupid.

They're having a pretty good online sale on right now too. I picked up a Noctua cpu cooler for $49 and a 850W seasonic PSU that retails for $250 for $99
this sale is INSANE

i gotta get there for opening
 
TouchMyBox said:
Anybody in southern ontario who wants a good gaming laptop, NCIX's new markham retail store is going to be selling the Asus G73JH-B1 for a cool $999 tomorrow morning.

That price is so low it's stupid.

They're having a pretty good online sale on right now too. I picked up a Noctua cpu cooler for $49 and a 850W seasonic PSU that retails for $250 for $99


I bought the same PSU as well, going to pick it up tomorrow, price was super super hot :D

All I need now is a GPU and my rig is complete, took me 1-2 months to build but man did I save a ton of money waiting for sales.
 
alright, after much consideration im going to nab the:

$70 antec sonata 3 case

and the

$200 gtx 460 gigabyte 1gb

altogether im saving about a $100 comparing prices with CC and newegg

that latptop looks sick though, but itll probably be sold out as soon as the first 8 walk in the door :lol
 
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so stuff finally came in, what u dont see is my haf 922 and my samsungs p2770hd which is coming in today i think.
ill post pics of the systeme as soon as im done.
 
davonaytor said:
Hey guys, my birthday is coming up, and my dad keeps asking me what I want. So I'm looking to add something to my PC. Here's what I have at the moment:

AMD Phenom II X4 955
Gigabyte MA 790GP DS4H (This one's AM2+ socket, so only DDR2)
4GB DDR2 800mhz
Horrible 450W PSU that came with my old Coolermaster Centurion 5 case
Radeon 4850
250GB HDD

And all that is inside a Lancool Dragonlord PC-K62 case.

Keep in mind that I will be updating everything within the next few months, just wondering what I should knock out first.


PSU, then GPU
 
Okay, so I'm gearing up to build a PC for the first time in a couple of weeks. My budget is $700-$800, and I've started picking out parts. Wanted to see what GAF thought of this possible build and if you guys could help me fill in the blanks:
GIGABYTE GA-870A-UD3 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX
Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Western Digital Caviar Blue WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

and then EITHER:
GIGABYTE GV-R577SO-1GD Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
OR
MSI R5770 Hawk Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

and either
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 ...
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ...
or
Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V Ver.2. /EPS12V version 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified ...

I haven't picked out a DVD drive yet, but that'll take 5 minutes. I already own a monitor, mouse, and keyboard.

On top of these parts, I get the impression I need to buy a heatsink/fan and some thermal grease/paste/whatever, but I know next to nothing about those parts, how to pick them out, or how to install them. Can anyone weigh on on my hardware choices and what heatsink I should get?

Thanks.

Does anyone have any insight, especially for the GPU and PSU?
 
TheEastonator said:
Does anyone have any insight, especially for the GPU and PSU?

well take my advice with a grain of salt, but I'll echo what most guys have said in this thread with regards to the 5770 and that is simply to buy a better card, especially since youre buying a x4 965 BEE which is a pretty decent cpu ( that has a lot of OC potential ). I think it's a good thing not to bottleneck oneself right from the getgo.

I'm not sure about the prices or anything but how big of a gap is there between the 5770 and a 460? Pricewise. From the looks of it the 5770 performs in the same line as the 4850 and the gtx 260. With regards to the psu, that 650w corsair should do you just good, even if you're planning on doing dual-gpu in the future.
 
confused said:
PSU, then GPU

Seriously. That's almost a helluva system.

Get a Corsair 750 or 650, and if you can, hold on the GPU until AMD reveals the details on the 6k series. Just around the corner in time for Crysis 2.

In the meantime, overclock what you have.
 
I got a new pc yesterday, its a acer ax3950, its running games pretty well starcraft 2 is perfect at full settings but I think its more the quad core than graphics card.

It has a geforce 315 in which according to the nvidia site is a package only model, if I wanted to swap this out for something with a bigger kick, how would I start? Are all PCIe cards the same size? Would I need to adjust the psu? Is there a site that can compare all this info? Just no ides where to begin. Happy to drop £200 on one so long as I can get it in the damn case :lol

edit: here is the inside, geforce is on the top right, theres some room to the left of it so I think I could expand, maybe like 2cm in height too.

IMG_0725.JPG
 
bardia said:
I bought the same PSU as well, going to pick it up tomorrow, price was super super hot :D

All I need now is a GPU and my rig is complete, took me 1-2 months to build but man did I save a ton of money waiting for sales.

First Markham Place has a GTX 460 1GB from Gigabyte for $199 today. That's as good as a deal you're going to get in the near future.

davonaytor said:
Hey guys, my birthday is coming up, and my dad keeps asking me what I want. So I'm looking to add something to my PC. Here's what I have at the moment:

AMD Phenom II X4 955
Gigabyte MA 790GP DS4H (This one's AM2+ socket, so only DDR2)
4GB DDR2 800mhz
Horrible 450W PSU that came with my old Coolermaster Centurion 5 case
Radeon 4850
250GB HDD

And all that is inside a Lancool Dragonlord PC-K62 case.

Keep in mind that I will be updating everything within the next few months, just wondering what I should knock out first.

I see you too are a gentleman of good taste.

But yeah, get a PSU, then later on get a new GPU and then your upgrade for 2011 if you're feeling the itch can be to get a AMD bulldozer core with a fancy new motherboard and DDR3 ram.

Actually, a 250GB HDD? How old is that thing? I can't imagine the platter density being too big. I see far too many overlook upgrading their hard drive when they rebuild their system because what they have "works" but then their entire systems feel really slow because of it.

c2morg said:
I got a new pc yesterday, its a acer ax3950, its running games pretty well starcraft 2 is perfect at full settings but I think its more the quad core than graphics card.

It has a geforce 315 in which according to the nvidia site is a package only model, if I wanted to swap this out for something with a bigger kick, how would I start? Are all PCIe cards the same size? Would I need to adjust the psu? Is there a site that can compare all this info? Just no ides where to begin. Happy to drop £200 on one so long as I can get it in the damn case :lol

Looked on ebuyer (im in uk) last night but it was no help.
Thanks for any replies! :)

Take a picture of your PSU so we can know what we're dealing with. Other than that, all graphics cards are PCI-E 16x, so size shouldn't be an issue unless it's a very cramped case and you want a dual-card chip.

c2morg said:

Hmm... does the power supply have a 6 pin pci-e adapter laying around? If there are, you can go with the new single slot radeon 5770 from XFX, I'm not sure if they're out yet but they announced them a few weeks ago. If not, get yourself a radeon 5670 as they are single slot and don't require any extra power.
 
I think that Tensai mentioned it a couple of days ago but never provided a link so here it is:

Bulldozer only to work on an AM3+ socket said:
"The existing G34 and C32 server infrastructure will support the new Bulldozer-based server products. In order for AMD’s desktop offering to fully leverage the capabilities of Bulldozer, an enhanced AM3+ socket will be introduced that supports Bulldozer and is backward-compatible with our existing AM3 CPU offerings."


"When we initially set out on the path to Bulldozer we were hoping for AM3 compatibility, but further along the process we realized that we had a choice to make based on some of the features that we wanted to bring with Bulldozer. We could either provide AM3 support and lose some of the capabilities of the new Bulldozer architecture or, we could choose the AM3+ socket which would allow the Bulldozer-base Zambezi to have greater performance and capability.

The majority of the computer buying public will not upgrade their processors, but enthusiasts do. When we did the analysis it was clear that the customers who were most likely to upgrade an AM3 motherboard to a Bulldozer would want the features and capability that would only be delivered in the new AM3+ sockets. A classic Catch-22.

Why not do both you ask? Just make a second model that only works in AM3? First, because that would greatly increase the cost and infrastructure of bringing the product to market, which would drive up the cost of the product (for both AMD and its partners). Secondly, adding an additional product would double the time involved in many of the development steps.

So in the end, delivering an AM3 capability would bring you a less featured product that was more expensive and later to market. Instead we chose the path of the AM3+ socket, which is a path that we hope will bring you a better priced product, with greater performance and more features - on time."

Source: http://www.planet3dnow.de/cgi-bin/newspub/viewnews.cgi?id=1282840508
 
oh there we have it :). I really really hope AMD busts out great numbers and does not lagg behind intel with the Bulldozer chips, competition ftw.
 
I've pretty much decided that I'm not building my own pc - I've pretty shocking luck for things like that so, with that in mind -

http://www.dinopc.com/shop/pc/pcs-gaming.asp?idcategory=94

The PC's I'm looking at are the £639, £759 and the £799 with the monitor (though that last one probably isn't an option - I'm not desperate for a monitor and I think that one is probably a worse PC than the 759 one.

Edit - Also this site allows pretty heavy customisation of builds - my friend thinks that the X6 is a bit excessive so recommends dropping to an X4 processor and losing the OS and installing my own to save £70 as well
 
Salaadin said:
This might not be the best thread to ask but I dont know if GAF has a basic support thread other than this one so here it goes:

I have Windows 7 Home Premium
When FFXIV launches, Id like to be able to install it and run the update remotely from my laptop at work so I can monitor it while I am here in case I get kicked off or something. This way, I wont have to worry about trying to download and install everything at 6:00 at night.

Is there a good way to do this? I know my version of Windows 7 doesnt have remote desktop so am I basically SOL here or are there programs that let me do this anyways?

Get Teamviewer on both machines...super easy to use.
 
oke i have this problem i installed my windows 7 on my pc and everything worked connected my monitor and stuff and everything was fine untill i installed the drivers for the gtx 470 from the nvidia dvd now when i boot up the pc i get a black screen, when i push in my password i only get the background windows logo nothing else :S what can i do ..?
 
rossonero said:
I think that Tensai mentioned it a couple of days ago but never provided a link so here it is:



Source: http://www.planet3dnow.de/cgi-bin/newspub/viewnews.cgi?id=1282840508
That's great news if you look at it long term. Imagine Intel had stuck with socket 775 for nehalem as well after having a several years long run with it. The early adopters would have been happy but performance would have been severely compromised and Intel would likely have had to make feature cutbacks, e.g. turbo boost, HT etc. BD is AMDs most radical architecture change for 5+ years. Forcing it to stay on AM3 would have been suicide as they would have had to make feature cutbacks and in a climate where they are being decimated by Intel that would have spelt doom for them. AMD badly need every bit of performance they can squeeze out of BD and relegating it to an outdated platform would have hampered that effort.
 
c2morg said:
Are all PCIe cards the same size? Would I need to adjust the psu? Is there a site that can compare all this info? J


I think you can get dimensions on new-egg and no, they aren't all the same size. Height varies depending on the cooling on the card. Some cards are also very long and require a nice long case to put them in properly.
 
i tried starting in sade mode, when i do that i can see everything but when i install the drivers for nvidia again and start in normal mode again i cant see a thing again untill i push in my password ( there is nothing on the screen when i push in the password ) than i get this background image of windows without anything else
 
Is it possible to have a good and stable overclock but to have game performance take a hit?

I have an HD 5850 running at 760/1125 and i5 750 running at 3.3Ghz. OCCT GPU and CPU, prime95, Furmark, and memtest86+ pass.

I only just now got to test out games other than FFXIV with it and it doesnt seem to like first anymore.
Crysis typically ran at 30FPS and would drop to mid 20s occasionally. With the OC, it ran about the same except whenever there was fire on the screen, FPS took a HUGE hit. I blew up a truck and whenever I would pan the camera to the burning wreckage, Id get 5-8FPS and that would stick until I panned away from it.

Just Cause 2 also runs about the same (solid 60FPS) until I start blowing up gas stations. I get quick drops to 40-45FPS before it quickly climbs back up.


EDIT: Hmmm. Im having a hard time replicating it now after I rebooted. I did just reinstall Steam and all of the games and they all had to got hru their one time setups. I didnt reboot after that. Could that have been causing some issues that a reboot fixed?
 
Vigilant Walrus said:
Ok, brain stew - You are the fucking king mate.

I have been reading up on the 27 Dell IPS: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1265617565


It looks awesome, but it says that there is some lag or something in fast games? Do you think this will be a problem? I'm not a competitive shooter person... but I do like shooters, but I also like slower games like MMOs, RTS and such!

I hope it wont be a problem?

Have you ever played a game on a HDTV? If you have and didn't find it horrible then its a none issue for you as this is a match for any HDTV in terms of response time and input latency. Only a 120hz panel is going to make a noticeable difference in terms of motion resolution.
 
So I am going to attempt to build my friend a computer and if someone here would be so kind to give me advice on what I currently have selected I would greatly appreciate it. The maximum he wants to spend is $1300 and I am currently pushing that limit while probably forgetting some stuff.

Heres what I have picked out so far:

-ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM ($22.99)

-COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ($69.99)

-Western Digital Caviar Blue WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive ($69.99)

-ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor ($189.99)

-GIGABYTE GV-N460OC-1GI GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card ($229.99)

-Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V Ver.2.2 / EPS12V version 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified ... ($79.99)

-G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL7D-4GBRH ($99.99)

-ASUS P7P55D-E LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard ($149.99)

-Intel Core i5-760 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80605I5760 ($209.99)

-Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM ($99.99)

Total = 1,246.81 shipped

Random questions:

1.) Does this case come with the 3 fans or do I have to buy them? It looks like the fans are included but I am not positive.
2.) Are 3 fans suffient or do I need more?
3.) Do I need to by cables or are those generally supplied with the cards (I would assume they are)
4.) Should I purchase thermal paste for the processor

I will attempt to overclock in the future but my first goal is obviously getting the system up and running.

Thanks again for your help/advice. Hopefully I am on the right path. If I can sub in components which will drop the price that would also be nice.
 
squicken said:
How important is USB 3.0? Also, is 4 GB DDR3 enough for a 64 bit system?
USB 3.0: depends on how future proof you want to be. Chances are you don't own anything that uses USB 3.0, but harddrives and other tech are slowly transitioning towards it, so if you're concerned about having faster transfer speeds available to you in the future (and adding USB 3.0 isn't too expensive - lots of newer motherboards include it), go for it.
RAM: Unless you're intending on doing some intensive multi-tasking (multiple editing programs/games), 4GB should be plenty. You can always upgrade later.
 
squicken said:
How important is USB 3.0? Also, is 4 GB DDR3 enough for a 64 bit system?
Not very if you're planning to upgrade again in the next two years. 4GB is more than enough, anything more is a waste unless you need the extra for HD video editing or professional image editing.
 
Dosia said:
Random questions:

1.) Does this case come with the 3 fans or do I have to buy them? It looks like the fans are included but I am not positive.
2.) Are 3 fans suffient or do I need more?
3.) Do I need to by cables or are those generally supplied with the cards (I would assume they are)
4.) Should I purchase thermal paste for the processor

I will attempt to overclock in the future but my first goal is obviously getting the system up and running.

Thanks again for your help/advice. Hopefully I am on the right path. If I can sub in components which will drop the price that would also be nice.
1. From what the CM website says it sounds like it has 3.
2. Should be more than sufficient for stock.
3. The card doesn't have video cables, it's usually the monitor that includes them. And your motherboard should provide enough SATA cables to hook up your CD drive and HDD. The video card will come with some adaptors should you need them (DVI -> VGA)
4. The thermal paste will be pre-applied to the stock heat sink. Just snap it into place and you're all set.

Also change out the WD Caviar Blue for a WD Caviar Black. It should be about the same price and the blacks are much more reliable.
 
Corky said:
well take my advice with a grain of salt, but I'll echo what most guys have said in this thread with regards to the 5770 and that is simply to buy a better card, especially since youre buying a x4 965 BEE which is a pretty decent cpu ( that has a lot of OC potential ). I think it's a good thing not to bottleneck oneself right from the getgo.

I'm not sure about the prices or anything but how big of a gap is there between the 5770 and a 460? Pricewise. From the looks of it the 5770 performs in the same line as the 4850 and the gtx 260. With regards to the psu, that 650w corsair should do you just good, even if you're planning on doing dual-gpu in the future.
Thanks for the input. Spent some more time working on my build today and switched the GPU over to a GTX460. Here's how it's looking now:
MOBO: Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3 ATX AMD
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 BE Deneb 3.4GHz
GPU: EVGA 768-P3-1362-AR GeForce GTX 460 760MB
RAM:GSKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1333 (is there any advantage to 1600 for general use? I don't care about benchmarks if I can't see a difference in every day gaming)
HDD: WD Caviar Black 640GB
PSU:CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX
DVD:ASUS DRW This DVD drive and my HDD are OEM, so I think I have to get cables for them - cables like these?

Also, from reading the reviews, it seems the included heatsink with the Phenom is awful, so I guess I need to purchase another one. Do I need something expensive, or will this cheapo Cooler Master work fine? It's gotten good reviews and appears to come with thermal grease pre-applied. If I ever overclock, it will be moderately, so I don't need heavy duty cooling.

And lastly, my case has spaces for a few extra 120mm fans. I was going to go ahead and purchase two of these. Thoughts?

Final cost for this build is around $850. A bit over my price ceiling, but I'd rather suck up the extra cost than go through and make menial downgrades to save a few bucks with each component (i.e. X4 955 instead of 965).

Mainly I need to make sure I'm not MISSING anything, and that everything will work fine together. And that the heatsink is sufficient to keep my CPU from frying. ANY INPUT IS APPRECIATED!
 
TheEastonator said:
Also, from reading the reviews, it seems the included heatsink with the Phenom is awful, so I guess I need to purchase another one. Do I need something expensive, or will this cheapo Cooler Master work fine? It's gotten good reviews and appears to come with thermal grease pre-applied. If I ever overclock, it will be moderately, so I don't need heavy duty cooling.


Hey man, that build is looking rather great :).

I was under the impression that the stock coolers that come with the amd cpus are ample for stock speeds. Also with regards to the ram-speed, from what I understand small differences in speeds wont under any circumstances manifest themselves as performance discrepancies in games.

edit : also I feel like youre being alittle overcautious when it comes to heat-problems. Don't really worry about extrafans and stuff, unless it turns out you need them.
 
Corky said:
Hey man, that build is looking rather great :).

I was under the impression that the stock coolers that come with the amd cpus are ample for stock speeds. Also with regards to the ram-speed, from what I understand small differences in speeds wont under any circumstances manifest themselves as performance discrepancies in games.

edit : also I feel like youre being alittle overcautious when it comes to heat-problems. Don't really worry about extrafans and stuff, unless it turns out you need them.
I was more concerned that the reviews said the stock heatsink/fan sounded like a loud weedwacker. $10 is a small price to pay for audible comfort.

So you don't think I need to purchase additional case fans? The included two are sufficient?
 
TheEastonator said:
I was more concerned that the reviews said the stock heatsink/fan sounded like a loud weedwacker. $10 is a small price to pay for audible comfort.

So you don't think I need to purchase additional case fans? The included two are sufficient?

Oh if it's for the sake of the sound then by all means you should upgrade from a stock cooler. I was just under the impression that you were afraind of overheating issues.

Personally, I'd rather spend a little more on a decent cpu fan and skip the additional case-fans. Like, instead of spending 3*15ish dollars on 3 low-end fans, just buy a good one for 30$( if such a thing exists, I'm not wellversed in the after-market cooler world )
 
Heres a video of what Im experiencing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrmIrX-_o0U

When I look to the right, Im at 40 FPS. I move that small centimeter to the left, you can see how choppy it gets at 8 FPS. Its so weird.
I also just went and tried some of the more taxing Crysis levels with a lot of stuff going on and the lowest my FPS got was 25. So far, its only this level thats giving me this weirdness.
 
damnit I need a better CPU cooler. I can hit 4.0 with my Phenom II X4 965 but, It gets a little hot, near 60+. I'm using an Arctic Cooling Freezer Pro but it's just not cold enough.
Antec 300 case as well.

What can I get that isn't going to cost an arm and a leg?

Will a Hyper Cooler Master 212+ be a significantly better cooler?
 
Salaadin said:
Heres a video of what Im experiencing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrmIrX-_o0U

When I look to the right, Im at 40 FPS. I move that small centimeter to the left, you can see how choppy it gets at 8 FPS. Its so weird.
I also just went and tried some of the more taxing Crysis levels with a lot of stuff going on and the lowest my FPS got was 25. So far, its only this level thats giving me this weirdness.

Oh man I didn't really have anything to say to you before I checked the video. On that exact same level, I had very wierd issues. Just like you, I could out of combat maintain anything inbetween 40-60 depending on where I looked. But there was a part more to the right of where you're looking where there is a tank. Evertime that tank shot, my fps went from 40ish to about 10.

At first I thought it was due to somekind of particle effect or something, but then again I didn't even look at the tank yet my performance dropped heavily. Are you experiencing this on that one level or any other place?
 
MidgarBlowedUp said:
damnit I need a better CPU cooler. I can hit 4.0 with my Phenom II X4 965 but, It gets a little hot, near 60+. I'm using an Arctic Cooling Freezer Pro but it's just not cold enough.
Antec 300 case as well.

What can I get that isn't going to cost an arm and a leg?

Will a Hyper Cooler Master 212+ be a significantly better cooler?

maybe a schyte mugen II?
 
Corky said:
Oh man I didn't really have anything to say to you before I checked the video. On that exact same level, I had very wierd issues. Just like you, I could out of combat maintain anything inbetween 40-60 depending on where I looked. But there was a part more to the right of where you're looking where there is a tank. Evertime that tank shot, my fps went from 40ish to about 10.

At first I thought it was due to somekind of particle effect or something, but then again I didn't even look at the tank yet my performance dropped heavily. Are you experiencing this on that one level or any other place?
So far, that's the only spot that I can replicate it.
 
Salaadin said:
So far, that's the only spot that I can replicate it.

Then I might go out on a limb and say this might be more related to crysis itself,e.g software, than your current OC-settings,.
 
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